The Invisible God

[netchaplain]

Our blessed heavenly Father is always for us at all times, considering we’re always forgiven; we don’t go in and out of forgiveness - 1Jo 1:9 – which wouldn’t be necessary. If God ever forgives you for sin, you will always be forgiven for sin, because He ever forgives those He knows are saved. We need not to ask for forgiveness after your initial confession and repentance, which is when you “first believed” (Ro 13:11). Instead we can “thank” God for His everlasting forgiveness when we sin!

God knows we genuinely want to please Him, as He works this very same thing “in you” (Phl 2:13). Everything we now do is used to guide us, teach us and overall, to “please” Him. Is there ever a time we do not want to please Him—God forbid! Even in our trials we press on to praise our Father and our Lord Jesus, all by the Holy Spirit; and how much better does that make us feel, when He finally “makes a way to escape,” and we endured the test. God’s testing is not a pass or fail situation, but it increases our faith, even if a little, each time; and faith never goes backwards but always forward.

“But will with the temptation make a way to escape;” “For as He by His permission makes way for the temptation or affliction, which otherwise would not come; and as He knows how, in what manner, and at the best time, to deliver His people out of temptations; so He does and will, in His providence, open a way that they may escape out of them, at least so as not to be over-pressed and destroyed by them.”

“That ye may be able to bear it.” “For God does not always think fit to remove at once an affliction or temptation, though at the earnest request of His people, as in the case of Paul, 2 Corinthians 12:7 yet He gives them grace sufficient to endure and stand up under it, yea, to get the victory of it, to be “more than conquerors,” (Rom 8:37 – not just conquerors but more than conquerors) and triumph over it.” -John Gill

 

[bobinfaith]

Our blessed heavenly Father is always for us at all times, considering we’re always forgiven; we don’t go in and out of forgiveness - 1Jo 1:9 – which wouldn’t be necessary. If God ever forgives you for sin, you will always be forgiven for sin, because He ever forgives those He knows are saved. We need not to ask for forgiveness after your initial confession and repentance, which is when you “first believed” (Ro 13:11). Instead we can “thank” God for His everlasting forgiveness when we sin!

Hello netchaplain;

You wrote, because He "ever" forgives those He knows are saved. What does that mean?
In context I understand what you're saying, "God forgave me when I repented of my sins and asked Jesus into my life."
For this I have salvation, eternal life and my desire to give thanksgiving daily for His forgiveness.

But your opening paragraph can be confusing for many Christians. Please elaborate further, brother.

Example, I still need to walk in obedience and when I fell short (as I did earlier this week,) I stopped, got down on my knees and asked God to forgive me for my sin, in Jesus Name.

Personally, it was a tough week and my responses to it did not bring Him glory. He gave me a Word to be still, listen and wait quietly, as He went ahead. Today I gave Him thanks for His forgiveness. I still have eternity but must adhere to the teachings of seventy times seven in Matthew 18:21-22 for all sins throughout our lifetime.

Your thoughts?

God bless you, brother.

Bob

 

[netchaplain]

Hello netchaplain;

You wrote, because He "ever" forgives those He knows are saved. What does that mean?
In context I understand what you're saying, "God forgave me when I repented of my sins and asked Jesus into my life."
For this I have salvation, eternal life and my desire to give thanksgiving daily for His forgiveness.

But your opening paragraph can be confusing for many Christians. Please elaborate further, brother.

Hi Brother Bob! I do not think we need to seek God for forgiveness when we sin because when we initially asked for His forgiveness for our sin it included all our sin. The difference now is that being reborn, we do not "willfully sin." If we sin intentionally, "there remains no more sacrifice for sins (Heb 10:26); and it would manifest hypocrisy (never reborn). A believer's sin will not be on purpose but more in the way of being impulsive, e.g. wrath, "ignorance" or "presumption," etc. (Num. 15:28, 30).

Besides, our sins are forgiven through "confession" and not repetitious requests: 1Jo 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." "Confession" must be performed every time we notice we sinned. Confessing a sin means one admits to sinning; though I see nothing wrong with unnecessarily asking God for forgiveness if you wish, especially until you understand this subject.

 

[cocoa]

Hi Brother Bob! I do not think we need to seek God for forgiveness when we sin because when we initially asked for His forgiveness for our sin it included all our sin. The difference now is that being reborn, we do not "willfully sin."

Im finding this hard to reconcile. Self-control is a fruit of the Spirit. When a believer sins it's not an involuntary act. my actions or lack of action is a conscious decision. Im an responsible.

Now, as a believer I do not will to practice sin. Everyday, I ask for forgiveness because everyday I sin, whether I judge someone unjustly, lash out in impatience toward by children or speak harshly to my spouse. I have to acknowledge these wrongs, ask forgiveness from those I offended and I have to go before the Lord and confess these sins.

 

[bobinfaith]

Hi Brother Bob! I do not think we need to seek God for forgiveness when we sin because when we initially asked for His forgiveness for our sin it included all our sin. The difference now is that being reborn, we do not "willfully sin." If we sin intentionally, "there remains no more sacrifice for sins (Heb 10:26); and it would manifest hypocrisy (never reborn). A believer's sin will not be on purpose but more in the way of being impulsive, e.g. wrath, "ignorance" or "presumption," etc. (Num. 15:28, 30).

Besides, our sins are forgiven through "confession" and not repetitious requests: 1Jo 1:9 "If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." "Confession" must be performed every time we notice we sinned. Confessing a sin means one admits to sinning; though I see nothing wrong with unnecessarily asking God for forgiveness if you wish, especially until you understand this subject.

Good morning, netchaplain;

God makes it very plain. We are graciously forgiven by God the moment we repent of our sin and desire Jesus Christ into our lives. That is His promise in Romans 10:9-10. We are promised eternity. It's done.

However, when we study the context in 1 John 1:8-9 means we are still called to repent of our sins even though we're forgiven and saved. This sustains our relationship with God daily and sanctification (setting us apart.)

For me personally, my daily confession and repentance is a constant need for God's grace and forgiveness. Again, 1 John 1:8-9 is a foundation for our daily confession.

God bless you, brother.

Bob

 

[netchaplain]

Im finding this hard to reconcile. Self-control is a fruit of the Spirit. When a believer sins it's not an involuntary act. my actions or lack of action is a conscious decision. Im an responsible.

Now, as a believer I do not will to practice sin. Everyday, I ask for forgiveness because everyday I sin, whether I judge someone unjustly, lash out in impatience toward by children or speak harshly to my spouse. I have to acknowledge these wrongs, ask forgiveness from those I offended and I have to go before the Lord and confess these sins.

Hi, and like your reply! I don't think I differ much from what you shared, except concerning willful sin. I understand about "I do not will to practice sin," but of course we and God know we do not make sin our life as we used to do. He knows this, and also knows we only want please Him (Phl 2:13). That's why God does not consider us as sinners, as their is no Scripture that relates believers as sinners. "when we were still sinners" (Rom 5:8); were sinners, not are sinners (Rom 8:9). We do continue confessing, repenting, and thank God for His forgiveness when we sin.

 

[netchaplain]

God makes it very plain. We are graciously forgiven by God the moment we repent of our sin and desire Jesus Christ into our lives. That is His promise in Romans 10:9-10. We are promised eternity. It's done.

However, when we study the context in 1 John 1:8-9 means we are still called to repent of our sins even though we're forgiven and saved. This sustains our relationship with God daily and sanctification (setting us apart.)

For me personally, my daily confession and repentance is a constant need for God's grace and forgiveness. Again, 1 John 1:8-9 is a foundation for our daily confession.

Yes, we initially confess our sins, ask God to forgive us and thank Him for our salvation. But it's our continual "confessing" (and of course repenting) that maintains His forgiveness (1Jn 1:9). Thanks God He no longer considers us sinners!!