Pisteuo, the Greek word used148 times in the NT for the verb form of the Greek word and noun Pistis. Pistis is used 145 times in the NT. I would like to discuss if the church as a whole really understands what the true meaning of Pisteuo is. The Greek definition (Vines) " A personal surrender to Him (our lives) and a life inspired by such surrender. Straight forward definition but doesn't seem to be taught in the church as the act of Faith that starts, maintains, and completes the covenant relationship that Christ prepared for the called out ones on the cross. Any comments on why this is? In Christ, Jay.
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Hello faither;
Thank you for sharing an interesting thread. I have a comment and question.
I believe both terms when researched deeper are used almost double for each word in so many variable ways in the New Testament, however, good sound Biblical teaching and preaching should always arrive at the core definitions of Pisteuo and Pistis.
What is your personal experience with the straightforward definition of these words not being taught, or preached as the Act of Faith? I'm really interested in knowing your witness or view to this in today's Church.
God bless you, brother.
Bob
Thank you for sharing an interesting thread. I have a comment and question.
I believe both terms when researched deeper are used almost double for each word in so many variable ways in the New Testament, however, good sound Biblical teaching and preaching should always arrive at the core definitions of Pisteuo and Pistis.
What is your personal experience with the straightforward definition of these words not being taught, or preached as the Act of Faith? I'm really interested in knowing your witness or view to this in today's Church.
God bless you, brother.
Bob
Hi Bob,
First i would like to make an amends to the part of the other thread that didn't align with the rules here. I'm guessing it was the statement where i said i didn't think there were very many in the state i was referring to. I should have quoted the scripture Mat 7:14 where it states narrow is the gate and few find it.
The best way to understand and see the problem in the pulpits concerning Pisteuo is simply to have the actual experience. When one has the experience the eyes and heart open to a new reality. this reality not only gives discernment and insight into ourselves, but also gives discernment a insight into everything around you. In 38 years of living in this state of being, I've only known of one bible teacher that got it right. I know this only because of having the experience first.
If your interested, i can lay out for you how the church has lost the true meaning of Faith , specifically the verb form Pisteuo.
jay
Good morning, faither;
Thank you for your good post and articulating what you're saying. I understand, Jay.
First, God bless you for residing in LB for 38 years. My wife and I have resided in the SF Bay Area for 38 years. Prior to that I grew up in San Diego where I received my grounding as a Christian babe. I have a good memory and remember believing every sermon or lesson by the pastor or teacher. With all love and respect to them, as I grew in my discipleship and ministry, I developed questions from a past sermon or Bible study, in particular to what you are sharing.
Nothing beats hard knocks experience in our walk with Jesus, aside from sharing our story. I Believe this prepares us for the narrow gate.
I would say Christian Forum Site is comprised of seasoned Christians and for that I'm still learning. For the most part we have enjoyed good civil and open fellowship here. (From time to time, one or two may stray but the other 99 remain in fellowship.)
Two reasons; Jesus teaches us, “Those who have an ear to hear let them hear” 7 times in Revelation, 3 times in Matthew, 3 times in Mark and 2 times in Luke. The other is receiving what a brother or sister is sharing in a thread or post.
I (we) are interested in you sharing your experience and how the Church has lost the true meaning of Faith.
God bless you, faither, keep writing.
Bob
My dear brother, it is an excellent message and is the basic of our faith. It is great to see you posting again here.
As for the "message".......the fact that a person trusts Jesus means that obedience results from trust/faith. Now, such a distinction is extremely important because: our salvation is rooted in trust/believe and NOT obedience. It is the confusion of this point that results in legalism and pharisaism!
Thanks major, it's been a long time.
I understand that obedience comes from Him inside, not me doing it. If i'm continually surrendering my life to Him "pisteuo" and living this life as if it's not mine but His now to the best of my ability, the biblical Christian will appear so to speak.
I understand that obedience comes from Him inside, not me doing it. If i'm continually surrendering my life to Him "pisteuo" and living this life as if it's not mine but His now to the best of my ability, the biblical Christian will appear so to speak.
Agreed. Christ living through us is the goal.
Hi Bob,
Following up a little on your post here.
I grew up in long beach for 28 years, then moved to southern Oregon for a few years then moved to the mid west and have been here or abouts for 30+ years. I've moved 28 times in my life so far.
I've been trying to carry this message of what i consider to be the true act of faithing that saves. Started 30 years ago in the discussion sites only to be pummeled beyond recognition. I can count on one hand the people who agreed with it. You can imagine my surprise when what seemed like more than a few agreed with what i was trying to communicate here. Is that one of the rules now that there no disagreeing with each other,lol.
I think you and i can agree that there is a big problem in the churches today thinking "just believing" equals salvation in Christ.
In my dream church, when one called out by the Father entered, i would direct them to a repentant act, such as the change of direction from theirs life to the door of my building. Then, i would simply tell them that nothing in here can be theirs until they start the journey of Faith. Which as ive described in the Pisteuo threads is a continually surrendered life, and a life inspired by such surrender. Nothing God has said, done, or has promised can be theirs until they've at least started this mandated part of the salvation journey. And even then won't be theirs until He accepts the surrendered life.
Without possibly breaking a rule explaining how the salvation process is done in the churches today, what do you think Bob? do you think as i do that the true understanding of how the application of faithing is understood is lost ?
Thanks again for not pummeling me lol.
jay
Hello "faither;"
I just figured it out, you're a "faith 'er." I also thought I read somewhere you had lived in LB for 38 years?
I blue and red - lighted your post where it hones in to the teaching of pisteuo.
In today's Church there exist serious areas that have become misunderstood and lost.
I think of the charges Jesus had to five of the seven Churches in Revelation 2 and 3 that impact pisteuo.
At Ephesus in Revelation 2:4, 4 But I have this against you, that you have abandoned the love you had at first.
At Pergamum in Revelation 2:14, 14 But I have a few things against you: you have some there who hold the teaching of Balaam,
At Thyatira in Revelation 2:20, 20 But I have this against you, that you tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess and is teaching and seducing my servants to practice sexual immorality and to eat food sacrificed to idols.
At Sardis in Revelation 3:1b, “‘I know your works. You have the reputation of being alive, but you are dead.
At Laodicea in Revelation 3:16, 16 So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will spit you out of my mouth.
These charges weren't just aimed at the Churches in Revelation but reflect in today's times. We need to do a self check in our Churches, however, the perspective I personally receive in Revelation 2 and 3 is how patient Jesus is, to all of us.
Each of our Churches has broken spirits but are also blessed with strong spirits. The strong spirits take Jesus' teachings to the next level by emulating God's Agape Love, Pisteuo Faith Building, Patience Endurance and Building Up each other.
I also dream of a perfect Church but the Bible teaches the Church will be perfected through Christ Jesus.
Colossians 3:14, 14 and above all these things put on love, which is the bond of perfectness. - ASV
God bless everyone.
Bob