Immanuel

Isaiah 7:14 ESV

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 ESV

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.



Kind of interesting how Jesus was telegraphed centuries before his arrival, no?
 
Isaiah 7:14 ESV

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

Isaiah 9:6 ESV

6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given;
and the government shall be upon his shoulder,
and his name shall be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.



Kind of interesting how Jesus was telegraphed centuries before his arrival, no?
Yes it is.

However, God did that kind of thing from the very beginning. He telegraphed the coming of the Messiah all the way back in Genesis 3:15.

The real question might be......Why did God wait 4000 years to come the 1st time?

When we read the Bible, everything indicates that Jesus came according to God's schedule, BUT.....nothing is said in Scripture about why He chose that time in history.

God is silent on that matter except to say it was at the perfect time. It was God's time!

To assume things would be different if instead He had chosen to come in the twenty first century is untrue. Twenty first century humanity has sufficient reason to believe in Jesus. The fact that He chose to come some two thousand years ago does not change the fact that He came and fulfilled that which the Bible had predicted.

Personally I think that the reason why God "Telegraphed/Foretold" the coming of the Messiah was so that everything He promised/Said could be looked back on with confidence and all the prophets could say......"IT WAS WRITTEN"!

That action, all by itself made men who refuse Jesus as the Messiah guilty without any excuse.
 
God did that kind of thing from the very beginning. He telegraphed the coming of the Messiah all the way back in Genesis 3:15.
"He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Is "bruise his heel" a portent of the cross? If so, what does "bruise your head" foretell?
 
Food for thought, presented by your friendly neighborhood AI.

You said:
What Old Testament verses hint at the coming of Jesus?

ChatGPT said:
There are quite a few Old Testament verses traditionally understood by Jews and Christians as foreshadowing or prophesying the coming of Jesus. Christians see them as fulfilled in Christ, while Jews often interpret them differently. Here are some of the most prominent examples, grouped by theme:

1. The First Promise (Protoevangelium):

Genesis 3:15 — “He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel.”
Seen as the first hint of a Redeemer who will crush evil (Satan), even though He Himself will suffer (the Cross).

2. The Promise to Abraham:

Genesis 12:3 — “In you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”
Christians interpret this as pointing to Christ, a descendant of Abraham, through whom salvation reaches all nations.

3. The Promise to Judah (the Royal Line):

Genesis 49:10 — “The scepter shall not depart from Judah… until Shiloh comes.”
“Shiloh” is often seen as a title for the Messiah — the one to whom the kingdom truly belongs.

4. The Prophecy of the Virgin Birth:

Isaiah 7:14 — “Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.”
Matthew 1:23 explicitly quotes this as fulfilled in Jesus’ birth.

5. The Divine Child and Eternal King:

Isaiah 9:6–7 — “For unto us a child is born… and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”
The language points to a divine ruler establishing an everlasting kingdom.

6. The Suffering Servant:

Isaiah 53 — Describes one who “was pierced for our transgressions… and with his wounds we are healed.”
This is the most detailed Old Testament portrait of the suffering and redemptive work of the Messiah.

7. The New Covenant:

Jeremiah 31:31–34 — “I will make a new covenant… I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”
Quoted in Hebrews 8, this anticipates the covenant Christ establishes through His blood.

8. The Righteous Branch (Messianic King):

Jeremiah 23:5–6 — “I will raise up for David a righteous Branch… and this is the name by which he will be called: ‘The Lord is our righteousness.’”

9. The Bethlehem Prophecy:

Micah 5:2 — “But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah… from you shall come forth for me one who is to be ruler in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days.”
Quoted in Matthew 2:6 as referring to Jesus’ birthplace.

10. The Suffering yet Triumphant King:

Psalm 22 — “They pierced my hands and my feet… they divide my garments among them.”
This psalm mirrors the crucifixion with striking detail.

11. The Cornerstone:

Psalm 118:22 — “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone.”
Quoted by Jesus and later by Peter as a symbol of the rejected yet exalted Messiah.

12. The Spirit-Anointed One:

Isaiah 61:1–2 — “The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me, because the Lord has anointed me…”
Jesus reads this aloud in Luke 4:18–21 and declares, “Today this Scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.”

Would you like me to list the less obvious ones too — verses that only later Christian writers connected to Jesus (for example, from the Psalms or Zechariah)?


You said:
Sure

ChatGPT said:
Here are some of the subtler or less obvious Old Testament passages that Christians later connected to Jesus — verses that take on deeper meaning when viewed through the lens of the New Testament.

1. The Bronze Serpent as a Type of the Cross

Numbers 21:8–9 — Moses lifts up a bronze serpent so that whoever looks on it is healed.
In John 3:14–15, Jesus compares this to Himself being lifted up on the cross, so that whoever believes may have eternal life.

2. The Rejected but Exalted Servant

Isaiah 52:13–15 — “Behold, my servant shall act wisely; he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted.”
Though just before Isaiah 53, it sets up the paradox of a servant who suffers yet is glorified — a foreshadowing of the crucifixion and resurrection.

3. The Pierced One

Zechariah 12:10 — “They shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and mourn for him as one mourns for an only son.”
John 19:37 directly cites this at the crucifixion.

4. The Cleansing Fountain

Zechariah 13:1 — “On that day there shall be a fountain opened for the house of David… to cleanse them from sin and uncleanness.”
Christians associate this with the cleansing power of Christ’s blood.

5. The Humble King

Zechariah 9:9 — “Behold, your king is coming to you; righteous and having salvation, humble and mounted on a donkey.”
Fulfilled in Jesus’ entry into Jerusalem (Matthew 21:5).

6. The Betrayal for Thirty Pieces of Silver

Zechariah 11:12–13 — “So they weighed out my wages, thirty pieces of silver… and threw them to the potter in the house of the Lord.”
Matthew 27:9–10 applies this to Judas’s betrayal.

7. The Stricken Shepherd

Zechariah 13:7 — “Strike the shepherd, and the sheep will be scattered.”
Jesus quotes this in Matthew 26:31 regarding His arrest and the disciples’ flight.

8. The Risen One’s Corruption Prevented

Psalm 16:10 — “You will not abandon my soul to Sheol, or let your Holy One see corruption.”
Peter and Paul both cite this in Acts 2 and 13 as referring to the resurrection.

9. The Triumphant King over Death

Psalm 2:7–8 — “You are my Son; today I have begotten you.”
Early Christians saw this as referring to Jesus’ divine sonship and resurrection (Acts 13:33).

10. The Forsaken One

Psalm 22:1 — “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
Quoted by Jesus on the cross. The rest of the psalm mirrors the Passion narrative with uncanny detail.

11. The Betrayed Friend

Psalm 41:9 — “Even my close friend in whom I trusted, who ate my bread, has lifted his heel against me.”
Quoted in John 13:18 as fulfilled in Judas.

12. The Ruler like Moses

Deuteronomy 18:15 — “The Lord your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among you.”
Christians regard this as pointing to Jesus as the ultimate prophet and mediator.

13. The Stone of Stumbling

Isaiah 8:14 — “He will be a stone of offense and a rock of stumbling to both houses of Israel.”
Cited in Romans 9:33 and 1 Peter 2:8 as referring to Jesus.

14. The Light to the Gentiles

Isaiah 42:6 — “I will give you as a covenant for the people, a light for the nations.”
Quoted in Luke 2:32 and Acts 13:47 to show that the Messiah’s mission includes the Gentiles.

15. The Ancient of Days Vision

Daniel 7:13–14 — “One like a son of man came with the clouds of heaven… and to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom.”
Jesus adopts “Son of Man” as His favorite self-title, echoing this prophecy.

Much food for thought, indeed.
 
Good morning, LearningToLetGo;

Nobody knows the day or the hour, but only the Father. It remains one of many mysteries about our God.

God bless you.

Bob
Hi Bob,

Now Jesus said that when He was manifest on earth. However, we know that now the Lord ascended to the Father and is at His right hand. We know they are equal, in unity and of the same mind. Jesus is part of the Godhead and does know when the Father will send Him to gather His Body together. And...I believe that by the Holy Spirit the Lord will quicken His Body to when He is coming just before He does.
 
Hi Bob,

Now Jesus said that when He was manifest on earth. However, we know that now the Lord ascended to the Father and is at His right hand. We know they are equal, in unity and of the same mind. Jesus is part of the Godhead and does know when the Father will send Him to gather His Body together. And...I believe that by the Holy Spirit the Lord will quicken His Body to when He is coming just before He does.

Good morning, Marilyn;

What you're referring is according to scholars. I agree and believe during Jesus' earthly mission He did teach in Matthew 24:36;

36 “But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only. - NIV

at the conclusion of His earthly mission.

At His Ascension Jesus is glorified in heaven. I strongly believe the Son of God knows when He will return but chose not to reveal this to us. So we still don't know the day or the hour,
Marilyn.

My previous post was a side note. This can turn into another topic and would love to discuss further but out of respect to LearningToLetGo lets stick with the original verb of his thread.

God bless you, Marilyn.

Bob
 
"He shall bruise your head, and you shall bruise his heel."

Is "bruise his heel" a portent of the cross? If so, what does "bruise your head" foretell?
Genesis 3:15 foretells us about the enmity between the woman’s seed or offspring (mankind in general, since Eve is the “mother of all living,” and the serpent’s seed and that ir will continue.

Their offspring will remain enemies throughout all generations. The serpent’s (metaphorical) offspring are demonic forces and also those people who follow the devil and accomplish his will.

In short, God says that Satan will always be the enemy of mankind. It follows that people who side with Satan will be at perpetual war with God’s elect and that we are engaged in a very real battle between good and evil.

1. He Shall Bruise Your Head:
This indicates a fatal blow to the serpent. Crushing the head symbolizes a definitive and ultimate defeat.
2. You Shall Bruise His Heel:
This indicates a wound that, while painful, is not fatal. It points to suffering inflicted upon the Seed of the woman, but not a final defeat.
 
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