Amazing How many Cults arose just in 19 Century

[Mabel Lean]

Thank you AIOH,

Fortunately our small loving congregation is surrounding us with the prayer support and embrace.

We have seen miraculous healings of those in the gathering of a multitude of ailments caused by this plague.

My sister-in-law most appreciative of the encouragement and prayers. My brother’s turbo cancer has been arrested for a respite now using infusions but his body will adjust rendering these 3 week infusions ineffective.

We give GOD all the GLORY for the remission of pain.

I pray others will seek comfort of those with sweet, kind hearts much in the tradition of Saint Barnabas and Saint Luke.

Blessings!

~ Brian’s younger sister

 

[Major]

We value your expertise in this subject Maj!

You are indeed a Holy Spiritual exemplar of great bravery in the tradition of Saint Polycarp.

May I AM bless you and yours!

~ Mabe

I just hope that there is not a hot pot of oil waiting down the road.

 

[Major]

I was offput of late of a Pentecostal “leader” that claimed one must be double “baptized” as in physical immersion and then a separate proof of “Pentecostal tongues” of The Holy Spirit one must give utterance.

Apparently he does not understand what the Apostle Paul clearly stated in his letters delineating the gift.

This sort of heresy can be very damaging as new followers of I AM need our support in their conversion infancy not our discouragement.

I come beside all who are seeking maturity still early in their walk. I received this buoying up from those who walked before me by Holy Spiritual APPOINTMENTs.

Our Pastor addressed this important tenet of THE FAITH the need for fellowship and support that the Church of I AM must embrace. We need to reach out NOW with so many at the very GATE. The numbers suffering in the billions. We all know those struggling in our intimate circles.

May The LORD of all MERCY and GRACE send His ministering Holy Angels of Protection and Healing to all in need.

Amen and Amen.

Mabel Lean

Mabel.....unfortunetly, many Pastors do not know what the Bible says.

They rely on what they have been told.

That sounds very judgmental and it in fact is. The fact is that there is NO such thing in the Bible as a Second Blessing where by the Holy Spirit gives you the ability to speak in tongues or have a gift!

The concept of a second blessing is taught in the Pentecostal church BUT the phrase is not found anywhere in the Bible.

"Sanctification" is an on going process that begin at the moment of salvation and when we accept Christ, we get ALL that God has for us at that very moment.

Can He bless us and empower us at different times? Of Course, Ask David and Daniel and Moses.

 

[Mabel Lean]

I just hope that there is not a hot pot of oil waiting down the road.

Amazing that John survived that one. Was telling my prayer warrior Jannie that just last night.
Told her she’s on the book of life list therefore an enemy of the enemy by default.

 

[YeshuaFan]

I was 14 years old when my mother started attending the Catholic church. So... that would have been in the mid 70's.
The Charismatic movement exploded in this particular church... CRAZY stuff.

What ALWAYS bugged me while a Teaching Elder in the AOG were the belief taht one had to have tongues to have power to preach and teach effectively, yet Spurgeon did quite well with them, and the concept that Catholic Church was experiencing 'baptism in the Holy Ghost now", but why did the Spirit of truth keep catholic stuck in mary worship, praying to saints , purgatory etc?

 

[YeshuaFan]

Correct. I would add to that that he could be called the father of the New Age Religion.

And taught prosperity gospel, paving way for cCopeland Hinn and the gang

 

[Mabel Lean]

Mabel.....unfortunetly, many Pastors do not know what the Bible says.

They rely on what they have been told.

That sounds very judgmental and it in fact is. The fact is that there is NO such thing in the Bible as a Second Blessing where by the Holy Spirit gives you the ability to speak in tongues or have a gift!

The concept of a second blessing is taught in the Pentecostal church BUT the phrase is not found anywhere in the Bible.

"Sanctification" is an on going process that begin at the moment of salvation and when we accept Christ, we get ALL that God has for us at that very moment.

Can He bless us and empower us at different times? Of Course, Ask David and Daniel and Moses.

Exactly as our Pastor teaches Maj.

I consulted Pastor Dan right after I saw the disturbing telecast on TV.

——

Dan,

I think this added “requirement” of speaking in tongues discourages believers not strengthens them in the fervent belief in Jesus’s redemptive gift.
Paul spoke of this to the Corinthians of the tongues teaching on excessive dependence.

Reminds me of the undue burden of the Judizers and Roman Catholic Catholicism ritualizations or for that matter Freemasons and Mormons and Seven Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses etc.

Jesus - IESOUS CHRISTOS teaches His children the simplicity of The Two Greatest Commandments LOVE.

Taking each day one day at a time reaching out as Our Sweet Jesus implores in hugs and fellowship to beloveds,

From Dan:

- looks like an excellent Bible study concerning the baptism of the holy Spirit. At the moment of spiritual regeneration or rebirth we have the seal of the holy spirit. I know the church of God has a different take due to their Pentecostal background. Bottom line, proving an invisible operation of the Spirit by seeking physical evidence seems to me to be a questionable approach.

You are right to question any "required" sign such as speaking in tongues. Then there's the question of a "second baptism" or "second blessing" which for me is even more questionable. Too easy to start thinking of one being more spiritual or more blessed. Truly spiritual believers are humble and quiet about such things.

My opinion.

I would not want to judge another believer right or wrong on such matters. I wouldn't want to do anything that might harm their faith, or cause doubt or misgivings.

See both of you at dinner at Thursday, Lord willing

Dan

Question for Dan:
Watching a Pentecostal Service <sic channel name> after church on Sunday 16th) that says Holy Spiritual Baptism is separate from being born from above the moment we declare our FAITH in The Lord Jesus Christ.

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is in evidence is demonstrated only with ability to speak in tongues.

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[bobinfaith]

Mabel.....unfortunately, many Pastors do not know what the Bible says. They rely on what they have been told. That sounds very judgmental and it in fact is. The fact is that there is NO such thing in the Bible as a Second Blessing where by the Holy Spirit gives you the ability to speak in tongues or have a gift! The concept of a second blessing is taught in the Pentecostal church BUT the phrase is not found anywhere in the Bible. "Sanctification" is an on going process that begin at the moment of salvation and when we accept Christ, we get ALL that God has for us at that very moment. Can He bless us and empower us at different times? Of Course, Ask David and Daniel and Moses.

Hello Major;

Whereas we spent quality years in study, training, setbacks, preparedness and application for our called assignments, I agree many clergy have not remained in the academic discipline of study. Granted, just because we graduated doesn't mean we mastered our calling.

I find benefit in correction and accountability. God uses His people to admonish us when needed, for a lifetime.

What is really disconconcerting are habits formed in a Pastoral leader's "doctrine" and practice them for years as the disciples follow along without a given thought.

Bob

 

[Mabel Lean]

Pastors should be ever vigilant studying to keep showing they are approved rightly dividing The Word.

I saw an article lately saying the vast majority of seminary professors are “liberal.” I can locate that again if anyone is interested or research for yourselves.

Look just how much even the Southern Baptist Seminaries have changed in recent years.

 

[Mabel Lean]

Had to smile. Did a quick search on seminaries becoming more liberal and found this expository critique from a friend of mine from a few years back. He still has the fire in his belly.

“…

Faith Once Delivered​

If you are a professor, pastor, or even an elder or deacon, you must necessarily believe that “All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness” (2 Tim 3:16). Teaching these things is essential, so “that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work” (2 Tim 3:17). This gave Paul every reason to warn Timothy to “Keep a close watch on yourself and on the teaching. Persist in this, for by so doing you will save both yourself and your hearers” (1 Tim 4:16).

Contending for the original teachings of Jesus Christ is what changed Jude’s mind about what he was going to write about. Jude said he intended “to write to you about our common salvation [but] I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints”(Jude 1:3). It was necessary because “certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ” (Jude 1:4). This is why not only pastors but believers are told “to watch out for those who cause divisions and create obstacles contrary to the doctrine that you have been taught; avoid them” (Rom 16:17). Avoid them and their teachings. …”

 

[bobinfaith]

Pastors should be ever vigilant studying to keep showing they are approved rightly dividing The Word. I saw an article lately saying the vast majority of seminary professors are “liberal.” I can locate that again if anyone is interested or research for yourselves. Look just how much even the Southern Baptist Seminaries have changed in recent years.

Hello Mabel;

I agree many clergy should remain vigilant studying in their disciplined apologetics. Sad, but many seminaries have leaned more toward liberal for a variety of reasons in our times.

I remain in touch with some of my former seminary professors and pastors who are still my personal mentors. By God's grace many of His seminaries have remained disciplined more so and in God's time as He speaks to us through His Word.

The reason I'm personally concerned is many young seminarians that I'm acquainted with are seeking a "career" in the Pastoral ministry, missionary or teaching at Bible/Seminary. These are callings solely from God, not a career path (with benefits and a large salary) where a small Church can be a stepping stone to the next gig.

The liberal "sprinkled" with right doctrine can be vulnerable to cults which is how many of them got their grounding leading astray, thus this topic.

God bless you, Mabel.

Bob

 

[Major]

Hello Major;

Whereas we spent quality years in study, training, setbacks, preparedness and application for our called assignments, I agree many clergy have not remained in the academic discipline of study. Granted, just because we graduated doesn't mean we mastered our calling.

I find benefit in correction and accountability. God uses His people to admonish us when needed, for a lifetime.

What is really disconconcerting are habits formed in a Pastoral leader's "doctrine" and practice them for years as the disciples follow along without a given thought.

Bob

Bob......IMHO, the training we received was a basis for the ability to continue on our own in looking for and finding the truth of God's Word.

My observations of many Pastors is that when they leave the Seminary and begin their Pastorial work they fall into the trap of believing that they have now "arrived" and are somebody. They forget to continue to study and work and look for the things in life that allow us to be servants.

 

[Major]

Exactly as our Pastor teaches Maj.

I consulted Pastor Dan right after I saw the disturbing telecast on TV.

——

Dan,

I think this added “requirement” of speaking in tongues discourages believers not strengthens them in the fervent belief in Jesus’s redemptive gift.
Paul spoke of this to the Corinthians of the tongues teaching on excessive dependence.

Reminds me of the undue burden of the Judizers and Roman Catholic Catholicism ritualizations or for that matter Freemasons and Mormons and Seven Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses etc.

Jesus - IESOUS CHRISTOS teaches His children the simplicity of The Two Greatest Commandments LOVE.

Taking each day one day at a time reaching out as Our Sweet Jesus implores in hugs and fellowship to beloveds,

From Dan:

- looks like an excellent Bible study concerning the baptism of the holy Spirit. At the moment of spiritual regeneration or rebirth we have the seal of the holy spirit. I know the church of God has a different take due to their Pentecostal background. Bottom line, proving an invisible operation of the Spirit by seeking physical evidence seems to me to be a questionable approach.

You are right to question any "required" sign such as speaking in tongues. Then there's the question of a "second baptism" or "second blessing" which for me is even more questionable. Too easy to start thinking of one being more spiritual or more blessed. Truly spiritual believers are humble and quiet about such things.

My opinion.

I would not want to judge another believer right or wrong on such matters. I wouldn't want to do anything that might harm their faith, or cause doubt or misgivings.

See both of you at dinner at Thursday, Lord willing

Dan

Dear Mabel.......the difference between Dan and Me is that I am an old man and I have NO problem in making judgments on my observations of things and actions that are outside of the Word of God.

 

[Mabel Lean]

In agreement once again Bob.

I was telling my Pastor in the last week or two I cannot fathom the world’s pressures coming to bear in this The Last Ezekiel Generation on those shepherds serving The Great Shepherd leading the lay flock.

We try our level best to love and support our Pastor and His wife in these days of of the greatest time of persecution and martyrdom in scope in such all but overwhelming numbers. I usually do not watch “the news” but found out about the recent massacres shocking once again coming as others told us in Bible Study Class.

Dear Mabel.......the difference between Dan and Me is that I am an old man and I have NO problem in making judgments on my observations of things and actions that are outside of the Word of God.

Dan is 76 same age as my brother. He has some strong opinions to be sure. Just “for the record” I suspect gave the obligatory cutting slack rehearsed speech we all do … when we really would like to open up in contemptuous fury at the very state of things nowadays.

 

[Major]

Pastors should be ever vigilant studying to keep showing they are approved rightly dividing The Word.

I saw an article lately saying the vast majority of seminary professors are “liberal.” I can locate that again if anyone is interested or research for yourselves.

Look just how much even the Southern Baptist Seminaries have changed in recent years.

I can say from my observations that the bi-vocational experience of most SBC Pastors helped them to keep their core conservative evangelical instincts and convictions intact.

IMHO, if most had graduated from seminary at an early age, with few other real-world skills or vocational experiences, they would have felt more beholden, for good or bad, to the institutions or leaders that helped them get their first full-time pastorate.

For sure, the SBC is a "good old boy" club by relying on seminary connections or recommendations to secure a full-time pastorate.

 

[YeshuaFan]

Exactly as our Pastor teaches Maj.

I consulted Pastor Dan right after I saw the disturbing telecast on TV.

——

Dan,

I think this added “requirement” of speaking in tongues discourages believers not strengthens them in the fervent belief in Jesus’s redemptive gift.
Paul spoke of this to the Corinthians of the tongues teaching on excessive dependence.

Reminds me of the undue burden of the Judizers and Roman Catholic Catholicism ritualizations or for that matter Freemasons and Mormons and Seven Day Adventists and Jehovah Witnesses etc.

Jesus - IESOUS CHRISTOS teaches His children the simplicity of The Two Greatest Commandments LOVE.

Taking each day one day at a time reaching out as Our Sweet Jesus implores in hugs and fellowship to beloveds,

From Dan:

- looks like an excellent Bible study concerning the baptism of the holy Spirit. At the moment of spiritual regeneration or rebirth we have the seal of the holy spirit. I know the church of God has a different take due to their Pentecostal background. Bottom line, proving an invisible operation of the Spirit by seeking physical evidence seems to me to be a questionable approach.

You are right to question any "required" sign such as speaking in tongues. Then there's the question of a "second baptism" or "second blessing" which for me is even more questionable. Too easy to start thinking of one being more spiritual or more blessed. Truly spiritual believers are humble and quiet about such things.

My opinion.

I would not want to judge another believer right or wrong on such matters. I wouldn't want to do anything that might harm their faith, or cause doubt or misgivings.

See both of you at dinner at Thursday, Lord willing

Dan

When anyone adds that we must speak in other tongues to get saved, or must be water baptized to get saved, that would be teaching another gospel

 

[YeshuaFan]

Mabel.....unfortunetly, many Pastors do not know what the Bible says.

They rely on what they have been told.

That sounds very judgmental and it in fact is. The fact is that there is NO such thing in the Bible as a Second Blessing where by the Holy Spirit gives you the ability to speak in tongues or have a gift!

The concept of a second blessing is taught in the Pentecostal church BUT the phrase is not found anywhere in the Bible.

"Sanctification" is an on going process that begin at the moment of salvation and when we accept Christ, we get ALL that God has for us at that very moment.

Can He bless us and empower us at different times? Of Course, Ask David and Daniel and Moses.

Telling note is that the bible NEVER commands us to seek that Baptism of the Holy Ghost, nor the "second blessing", but are commanded to seek the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Even if there was the gift of tongues for todasy, per the Bible, its as the Holy Spirit would administer it being given, and that tongue would have to be in a known human language not learned by the speaker, and would not be the gibberish heard so many times in churches today

 

[Mabel Lean]

Telling note is that the bible NEVER commands us to seek that Baptism of the Holy Ghost, nor the "second blessing", but are commanded to seek the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Even if there was the gift of tongues for todasy, per the Bible, its as the Holy Spirit would administer it being given, and that tongue would have to be in a known human language not learned by the speaker, and would not be the gibberish heard so many times in churches today

YF and Maj,

This is my understanding also. Not totally discounting the TRUE Pentecostal tongue completely but let’s face it RARE to speak in another human language fluently when never had studied or been schooled in that language.

AND the Holy Spirit also places an interpreter who knows what the person is saying.

What I saw in the telecast were hypnotically entranced people getting hands layed upon them then suddenly Ji-rating mumbling and even a sobbering display.

Completely different than what is described on the Day of Pentecost and the wind-tongues of fire. The crowds assembled from many regions and countries speaking a variety of native languages understood what the Apostles and Disciples were saying as they supported Peter’s dissertation.

I can imagine myself being in the crowd being convicted of agreeing with Our LORD and Savior’s crucifixion as carried out by the plotting of the Sadducees and Pharisees and Roman executioners.

Why did I not understand He came to rescue me from my sins??? How did I miss Him???

OH Peter!

What can I do???

As my heart was being cut to the quick.

Peter’s Speech on the day of Pentecost

 

[bobinfaith]

Mabel.....unfortunetly, many Pastors do not know what the Bible says. They rely on what they have been told. That sounds very judgmental and it in fact is. The fact is that there is NO such thing in the Bible as a Second Blessing where by the Holy Spirit gives you the ability to speak in tongues or have a gift! The concept of a second blessing is taught in the Pentecostal church BUT the phrase is not found anywhere in the Bible. "Sanctification" is an on going process that begin at the moment of salvation and when we accept Christ, we get ALL that God has for us at that very moment. Can He bless us and empower us at different times? Of Course, Ask David and Daniel and Moses.

Telling note is that the bible NEVER commands us to seek that Baptism of the Holy Ghost, nor the "second blessing", but are commanded to seek the infilling of the Holy Spirit. Even if there was the gift of tongues for todasy, per the Bible, its as the Holy Spirit would administer it being given, and that tongue would have to be in a known human language not learned by the speaker, and would not be the gibberish heard so many times in churches today

Good morning,

I have a question. Is anyone aware of the Church of God Pentecostal out of Cleveland, Tennessee and the Church of God Wesleyan Arminianism out of Anderson, Indiana?

I received my grounding from the latter Church of God, South San Francisco in the 1990s. We attended many men's retreats, family camps, Church camp, Billy Graham, etc...

Bob

 

[Mabel Lean]

Hope this helps Bob,

{Remember you asked <grin>}

These are two different Church of GOD Pentecostals.

Cleveland TN being the more radicalized so-to-speak and hard-lined utterances no human language required.

COG Anderson, IND is a more “acceptable” as far as doctrinal positions. Well known associates are the Gaithers.

Another offshoots of COG:

Church of God, a Worldwide Association, Inc 3701 Medical Center Drive McKinney TX 75069

This group not into tongue utterance but hard-lined saying “Christians” should not celebrate birthdays or Christmas. Tends towards over emphasis in Old Testament Messianic “Christianity” ritualization ceremonies.

Since we must couch our comments with qualifiers as not to offend -

IMHO any group that insists their denomination is the be-all and end-all “right” way to worship is apostate.
Any “church” that follows the apostate UN World Council of Churches mandates are not of I AM.

GotQuestions.org

https://www.gotquestions.org › World-Council-of-Churches-WCC.html

What is the World Council of Churches (WCC)? - GotQuestions.org​

The World Council of Churches has member churches in more than 110 countries and territories throughout the world, representing over 560 million individuals. The stated aim of …

A VERY disturbing “world” church is this:

Crossroad.to

https://crossroad.to › charts › millennium-goals-peace.htm

Rick Warren's P.E.A.C.E. Plan & the UN Millennium Goals - Crossroad.to​

Planting churches and Equipping leaders both require global partnerships that cooperate and conform to the new global leadership strategies, management systems, and human …

~ Mabe

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The only TRUTH can be found in I AM alone.