“On the weaponized Christan Defense of the State of Israel”
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I listened to this... and somehow it made SENSE to me... and resonated deeply within my heart.
I do not have a STAND on the issue of ISRAEL. I don't understand a lot about MUCH.
But lately... I have to admit that I have WONDERED what it truly means to BLESS ISRAEL.
Somehow... condoning all the violence is not something I can reconcile...... and so... when I pray for end times.... I BLESS and THANK GOD for being all-knowing... perfect in TIMING... and ABSOLUTELY in CONTROL of it all.
I have accepted that there are simply so many things I do NOT understand about God's WAYS... and so I am absolutely comfortable stating... I DO NOT UNDERSTAND... but GOD.... YOU DO
I do not have a STAND on the issue of ISRAEL. I don't understand a lot about MUCH.
But lately... I have to admit that I have WONDERED what it truly means to BLESS ISRAEL.
Somehow... condoning all the violence is not something I can reconcile...... and so... when I pray for end times.... I BLESS and THANK GOD for being all-knowing... perfect in TIMING... and ABSOLUTELY in CONTROL of it all.
I have accepted that there are simply so many things I do NOT understand about God's WAYS... and so I am absolutely comfortable stating... I DO NOT UNDERSTAND... but GOD.... YOU DO
This is pure replacement theology. The way he talks about Israel's defensive actions, I wonder how badly he would have condemned Joshua's activity at Jericho and the other places in the promised land. Remember, it was the antisemitic culture developed by the replacement theology of the medieval Roman Catholic Church that set the stage for the holocaust. Replacement theology is at its heart antisemitic.
Can someone explain to me how these two camps differ with regards to Christianity??
How does this affect the CHRISTIAN?
My understanding is this... The jews are the chosen people... and the gentiles were grafted in... so we are included as part of the BODY of CHRIST. In my thoughts... I am so very GRATEFUL that I have been INCLUDED/GRAFTED IN.
I see this as God extending His invitation to more than just the JEWS.
I guess I am interested in a proper definition of WHAT does it mean to BLESS ISRAEL?
Blessing something does not mean you have to AGREE with all the things that are happening.
That is how I see it.... I know this conversation is WAY above my head.... but for the simple person... I'm sure I am not the only one who WONDERS about this.
How does this affect the CHRISTIAN?
My understanding is this... The jews are the chosen people... and the gentiles were grafted in... so we are included as part of the BODY of CHRIST. In my thoughts... I am so very GRATEFUL that I have been INCLUDED/GRAFTED IN.
I see this as God extending His invitation to more than just the JEWS.
I guess I am interested in a proper definition of WHAT does it mean to BLESS ISRAEL?
Blessing something does not mean you have to AGREE with all the things that are happening.
That is how I see it.... I know this conversation is WAY above my head.... but for the simple person... I'm sure I am not the only one who WONDERS about this.
Good morning, Yesua888;
What is your understanding of our brother's message? I listened and received it mixed with his personal opinions and convictions.
What are your thoughts?
God bless you, Linda.
Bob
Do Jews have a right to their ancestral home?
Are Jews worthy of life?
Is it right to defend Jews against calls for extinction?
Are Jews worthy of life?
Is it right to defend Jews against calls for extinction?
The Abrahamic Covenant is a forever covenant. Found in Genesis 12:1-3. Part of this covenant is God's promise saying "I will bless those who bless you, and those that curse you shall I curse." Iran has called for the total elimination of the Jews(Cursing them). More and more people are showing their anti-semitism and finding fault in everything Israel does (even when it was Hamas that started the war). By standing with Israel, The United States is showing support for them in their time of trouble (this is one way of blessing them). They have never taken full possession of all the land God promised them, this will happen during the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
THANK YOU for this.....
Just because I like wasting the forum paper.... HA
WHY do some/many??? ( Is it many??) Christians NOT believe then that the Abrahamic Covenant is a forever covenant??
I guess my question is..... Who started the "Replacement Theology" ?
WHY do some/many??? ( Is it many??) Christians NOT believe then that the Abrahamic Covenant is a forever covenant??
I guess my question is..... Who started the "Replacement Theology" ?
What Iran and her proxies, Hamas and Hezbolla, seeks to do to Jews is the same as the Nazis sought to do.
I see no quandary here. Israel, for all her faults, holds the moral high ground. Just compare what you see: Israel literally holds power to annihilate Tehran and chooses to seek peace. Iran seeks nuclear arms and has vowed to use them against Jerusalem if they get them.
To deny this basic fact is to deny reality itself.
I see no quandary here. Israel, for all her faults, holds the moral high ground. Just compare what you see: Israel literally holds power to annihilate Tehran and chooses to seek peace. Iran seeks nuclear arms and has vowed to use them against Jerusalem if they get them.
To deny this basic fact is to deny reality itself.
Replacement theology was started by the Catholic Church after the fall of Rome. The theology is based on the eschatological views of Augustine of Hippo. It is a theology resulting from bad exegesis and holds that the Church is the new Israel and that God has forsaken Israel in favor of the Church, but Scripture, especially Romans contradicts this view. This view is responsible for much Christian antisemitism because it teaches that the Jews have been cast aside. It is one (but not the only) reason why the pope during WWII didn't speak out more forcefully against Nazi antisemitism and the holocaust. Some even use that theology to call Jews "Christ killers" and that they deserved the holocaust based on Matthew 27:25. The interpretive overlay of Covenant Theology is the only place where Replacement Theology is found. The interpretive overlay of Dispensational Theology opposes Replacement Theology.
Personally, I view Replacement Theology as heretical and dangerous. It's being used to recruit Christians to the Palestinian cause.
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Thank you SO MUCH for taking the time to explain this to me. I really appreciate my "big brothers" at times like this where I simply do NOT understand.
Enlighten me please Brother, as I am not following what you are saying : ) Thanks Linda
Hi Bob,
I sent this video out some time back because I wanted to hear what my bros and sissies in Christ thought about this war ...
I've been "absent" for almost a month, having my Sister visit from South Africa. I haven't time to watch the video right now, but felt that I should respond.
There is so much propaganda out there, and so many sides to the 'story'. I was also wondering what people thought about the "Chosen Race" and the atrocities that are going on.
My personal thoughts are that the Israeli Gvt is way out of line, and my beliefs run deeper than just this comment.
IMO the 'story' that the "Israeli border was unmanned, and electric fences turned off, for a few days when, 'Hamas' walked straight through and into Israel, and caused so much death and destruction", is questionable. There are always two sides to a story!
The past 5 years has led me to question most things ...
It would be good to hear what others feel about the cruelty (holding back of food/aid etc)?
Thanks Linda
I personally question everything now, and after the past 5 years of the "pandemic" and how our Gvts have behaved, I wonder whether "Hamas started the war" ... there is so much propaganda out there, and so many lies, deceit and killing ... what to think. I guess I would like to know what Christ would think of what is happening, and after all He knows the Truth ...
Matthew Comes to mind: https://web.mit.edu/jywang/www/cef/Bible/NIV/NIV_Bible/MATT+24.html
Could it be that "Jews" and the land "Israel" is sometimes confused. Jocob's name was changed to Israel: https://christianity.stackexchange.com/questions/18587/why-did-god-change-jacobs-name-to-israel
Then there is this: https://plainbibleteaching.com/2011/02/11/are-the-jews-still-gods-chosen-people-today/
This is a deep and interesting topic for sure ...
See post #11
Christ will judge the nations and because He knows the truth, He will give a just punishment for those that have acted unrighteously.
Whether the defences were down or not is irrelevant. The fact that hamas members entered into Israel and committed the atrocities they did is what started this war. So let's go back in history a bit. Israel gave the Gaza strip to the Palestinians as part of a peace agreement, but the Palestinians weren't satisfied, they want the total destruction of the Jews. Why do you suppose that NONE of the Arab nations will allow the Palestinians to live in their countries. Egypt built a wall to prevent them from entering their country while this war is going on. The Palestinian leaders and Hamas in particular do not want peace with Israel, they want Israel gone forever. Why does Israel have to be merciful to her enemies, but her enemies are always given a pass on their cruelty. IF the Palestinians would be peaceful then Israel would not have to put such harsh conditions on them and there could be peace. The only time there will be lasting peace is when Jesus returns and reigns as King of Kings.
Muslims, whether Palestinian, Egyptian, Syrian, Iraqi, etc. will not rest as long as a single Jew still lives on earth. The Quran calls for the extermination of Jews. What's particularly sad is the way some antisemitic Christians have sympathized with the Muslims and their cause. They're trying to make Christ into an ally of Muhammad. In my opinion, the antisemites are closet Nazis in their hearts. I would question the Christianity of people that want to ally themselves with the murderous Muslims.