An American Pope

[bobinfaith]

I'm new to OCIA and I did a lot of reading and studying beforehand of Christian history, lots of books and commentary on protestant, orthodox and catholic. And after so much reading and studying of history, I can't go back to being protestant. I respect your personal journey. And in all honesty, I want to learn and understand as much as possible about different theologies.

I am not certain what OCIA is...I would consider myself to simply be a CHRISTIAN. I focus on WHO GOD IS. DISCLAIMER.... I am sharing my personal opinion on this matter... I do not claim to be RIGHT... I claim to DISAGREE with the traditions of the Catholic Church.

I think it used to be called RCIA... I now understand. God bless you cocoa

Hello cocoa and In Awe of Him;

Your names sound like coffee drinks of the morning. "Hey Bob, do you want a strong In Awe of Him with two sugars? No. I'll just have a small cocoa with less caffeine.

Anyway, the RCIA, the Rite of Christian Initiation of Adults was changed to OCIA, the Order of Christian Initiation of Adults which is now referenced to Catholic's conversion (in the United States.) I don't know if this acronym is used around the world.

I remember we touched on that while studying Catholicism at seminary.

Robert Provost, or Pope Leo, visited St Augustine Boys Catholic High School in San Diego years before he became Pope. "Saints" was my Dad's alma mater back in the early 50s.

Today Dad still attends mass each Sunday, which is in Latin. He and I have had our differences with our faith. But today he is more open to researching the Scriptures on his own so we can have new discussions, though we still disagree on many areas of doctrine. But what am I going to do? He's my Dad.

God bless you both.

Bob

 

[cocoa]

i was raised in the methodist Church .its actually the united methodist and the leadership/conference is liberal .. the old time methodist had it together . but since the u.m.c has split many are global methodist.. growing up i never heard it taught the Eucharist (Communion) becomes the physical body of Christ.. jesus said as oft as you do this do this in remembrance of me .it is symbolic just like water baptism but it is symbolic in meaning . man over the years has added to it

Consubstantiation is different from Transubstantiation.
I've been to more than one Methodist church that believed in the real presence of the Eucharist. I guess different branches believe differently from one to the next.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

I think we need to resist the legalistic tendency and be more like children.

All this technical talk tells me just how much our own intelligence gets in the way. Imagine someone with an IQ of maybe 90 who never went past third grade and works in a field all day. Do they care about splitting such hairs? I doubt it. But the intelligent priests and pastors do, and that's when ritual becomes a vehicle of control. We must be aware of this and take steps to avoid it lest we face a Jesus who says, "I do not know you."

 

[bobinfaith]

I think we need to resist the legalistic tendency and be more like children. All this technical talk tells me just how much our own intelligence gets in the way. Imagine someone with an IQ of maybe 90 who never went past third grade and works in a field all day. Do they care about splitting such hairs? I doubt it. But the intelligent priests and pastors do, and that's when ritual becomes a vehicle of control. We must be aware of this and take steps to avoid it lest we face a Jesus who says, "I do not know you."

Hey LearningToLetGo;

That's a good reminder. Thank you for pointing that out, brother.

God bless you.

Bob

 

[forgiven61]

Consubstantiation is different from Transubstantiation.
I've been to more than one Methodist church that believed in the real presence of the Eucharist. I guess different branches believe differently from one to the next.

it really doesnt matter what man thinks communion is symbolic the wine represents the shed blood of Jesus and the wafrer represent the broken body of Christ .. yes there are several branches of methodist .. when the weasley brother started the methodist movement.. they was spot on through the years man had added on just like many denominations

 

[forgiven61]

I think we need to resist the legalistic tendency and be more like children.

All this technical talk tells me just how much our own intelligence gets in the way. Imagine someone with an IQ of maybe 90 who never went past third grade and works in a field all day. Do they care about splitting such hairs? I doubt it. But the intelligent priests and pastors do, and that's when ritual becomes a vehicle of control. We must be aware of this and take steps to avoid it lest we face a Jesus who says, "I do not know you."

agreed i dont use big words

 

[forgiven61]

Today Dad still attends mass each Sunday, which is in Latin. He and I have had our differences with our faith. But today he is more open to researching the Scriptures on his own so we can have new discussions, though we still disagree on many areas of doctrine. But what am I going to do? He's my Dad.

one love him as your dad.. pray for him that his eyes be opened.. last when you get a chances talk bible with him.. the catholic or should i say some dont search the scriptures the pope and the priest teach them..


i have family catholic one was catholic now latter day saint . at family reunion he tried give me a copy of there Bible.. i told him i had one some place and i do.. along with a j.w new world translation

 

[BibleLover]

agreed i dont use big words

I learned long ago when teaching writing that one should never use a big word when a diminutive one will do.