Are we supposed to be socialists?

geralduk

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:) Lol. Yes and no. Communisim is good. Leadership is the problem. The early church had Jesus, the disciples and Paul. Russia had Stalin.

Communism is good?!
They raise their fist to God and deny God and say by our strength we will build a 'house' in our name in our strength and according to our laws and in our image .
"Unless God builds the house the builders build in vain"
Lenin once said "Socialism always leads to Communism"
Socialism is simply "New Communism as "New labour was old Labour without the singing of the red flag and a change of logo.
Winston Churchill said in the 1945 general election that "In the end the socialists will have to resort to some form of Gestapo........"produce a police or totalitarian state ,seek to control every thing even down to what you should think.
What is a Gestapo? It is a politcally controlled force that uses corrupt and perverted laws to justify the unrightoeus use of intimidation, violence imprissonment and death to bring about political conofrmity.
It should be understood that if you have a Gestapo you will also have every thing that goes with it .
Stalin was but a foreshadow of what is to come and Hitler more so (?)
By stating the above about Socialism it should not be assumed I am enamoured with the Conservative party who in many ways as things now stand are in a far worse state than the Labour party.

in Christ
gerald
 

geralduk

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The key difference is revealed in the word "Shared" as opposed to Marx's lets all get guns and take what is not ours and then WE DECIDE who gets what....

Jesus Community-ism is far from Marx's communism....

They cannot bake a cake of thier own so they steal one .Kill all the bakers and somehow convince every body that the cake they have stolen is the only one left . They then say everybody should get a slice accordign to need and they are the only ones who should cut the cake .
Yet strangely it is they who always seem to need the biggest slices .
If you justify them or anybody to steal from your neighbour who hapens to be rich with the suggestion or projection that the so called poor will become like the so called rich.
In the end you will not get rich poor people but every one will become beggars who will need to come cap in hand to the one who "carries the bag"

in Christ
Gerald
 
1. Communism is good?!

2. They raise their fist to God and deny God and say by our strength we will build a 'house' in our name in our strength and according to our laws and in our image .

1. Yes, communisim is good as long as the guy in charge takes orders from Jesus. Communisim = a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

2. That is bad ;).
 

geralduk

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Like the wizards and magicians of Pahroah who could duplicate the works of God .......................up to a point . But God always goes "a little further" and they had to admit defeat "this is the finger of God we cant do this ........"
The New Testement church were of one mind and heart and saw that all things came from God and were his to start with .
As such then they counted thier own things as thier own.
Communism says it is the enviroment that is wrong and if we change the enviroment then we will change people .
God says it si the heart that is wrong and if you change the heart then the enviroment changes .
The tabernacle was built from the inside out. First the Ark then the most Holy place and so on.
Communism says ...................................
When take Gods word and trys to build it MANS way it always turns out wrong and the consequences far reaching.
Thye tabernacle from inside to outside was ALL according to the pattern in heaven.
"I will build MY church ........."says the Lord"
There is Gods way and no way . or the wrong way .


in Christ
gerald
 
1. Yes, communisim is good as long as the guy in charge takes orders from Jesus. Communisim = a theory or system of social organization in which all property is owned by the community and each person contributes and receives according to their ability and needs.

Call me selfish but I'm not willing to give my property over to the community.

I am willing to share what I can but I rather like having a small spot on this planet that I can call my own.
 
We are called to give and to help the poor, but we are not called to alleviate poverty for the world. Jesus said we will have the poor with us always. God also tells us this: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.” Wisdom tells us that we do not subsidize idleness, nor do we interfere with what God is doing in certain people's lives. In other words, sometimes by helping someone, we may be thwarting the process by which God is dealing with someone's heart. We need to always be prayerful in determining our aid to someone. Whether one likes it or not---we are not all on an even playing field.
 
We are called to give and to help the poor, but we are not called to alleviate poverty for the world. Jesus said we will have the poor with us always. God also tells us this: “Those unwilling to work will not get to eat.” Wisdom tells us that we do not subsidize idleness, nor do we interfere with what God is doing in certain people's lives. In other words, sometimes by helping someone, we may be thwarting the process by which God is dealing with someone's heart. We need to always be prayerful in determining our aid to someone. Whether one likes it or not---we are not all on an even playing field.

That scripture was directed at adults who were idle busybodies. That is what upset Paul, God. Them not eating does not please God. He just wanted to show His frustration with such. Today there are things that idle busy bodies can do if they don't work. So taking the ''not eating'' part of that scripture literally applies less and less as we advance. I don't think God has ever taken that scripture literally.

We have the ability today to cure the world of poverty and we should. We don't need ''idiotic'' reasoning like the above. No work = no eat. Wow that is a very kind and caring Christian attitude. To hell with the kids, old and deformed associated with the lazy. Lazy people and all under them must starve to death!!!! :rolleyes:
 
Call me selfish but I'm not willing to give my property over to the community.

I am willing to share what I can but I rather like having a small spot on this planet that I can call my own.
Well it is selfish, you are right. But then it is also wise. You know the leader you handing your property over to is corrupt. We can't trust anyone today :D. But if we could....I believe we should.
 

geralduk

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That scripture was directed at adults who were idle busybodies. That is what upset Paul, God. Them not eating does not please God. He just wanted to show His frustration with such. Today there are things that idle busy bodies can do if they don't work. So taking the ''not eating'' part of that scripture literally applies less and less as we advance. I don't think God has ever taken that scripture literally.

We have the ability today to cure the world of poverty and we should. We don't need ''idiotic'' reasoning like the above. No work = no eat. Wow that is a very kind and caring Christian attitude. To hell with the kids, old and deformed associated with the lazy. Lazy people and all under them must starve to death!!!! :rolleyes:

"The sin of Sodom was an abundence of leasiure "
The greatest poverty in the world to day is spiritual poverty and that poverty leads to the 'poverty' that you say man has the ability to 'cure'
Gievn that the world does " not do God" I am afraid your 'hope ' of a cure is in vain.
You will also find that where there is great poverty ,famine and pestilence there too you will find idolitory superstition, godlessnes of every sort.
In the UK you will also see it growing and the USA is not immune either . For God is the same yesterday today and forever.
We have not had the plague or a famine for over 500 years and it is deemed we now never will again.
But if we reject that which ahs given us so much liberty and embrace those things that others have proved so ruioneous to them. Then it is absurd that we will escape what they have not.
The hospitals and schools were all founded by and on christiand charity . In the main God has been taken out of both .
In nvery truth by socialists.
Is it not written that "while men slept his enemy came and sowed tares?"
This country has bene asleep for the last 70 years and you do not need to do anything to grow weeds .
The countries where you have famine ;look again and see what and who they serve.
A little folding of the arms a closing of the eyes and a little sleep and poverty will come like an armed man .
When The Lord said "is this not the fast that i have chosen ..........." In Isiah 58 .
he was talking about feedign people with the bread of life ! Not to ebcome social workers .
When he said cloth the naked .He meant with robes of rightoeusness . Not simply give them a coat .
For you may in mercy give a naked man a coat but he is still naked before God.
and you may in mercy give a man soem bread or he may eat of the food of the swine .But he wills till be hungry .
and brinf them into yoru house is that not the house of God?
No one goes or evry very few goes out preaching the gospel in power and with authority . But are too busy building their ministries and competing with each other and 'celebrating' when they should be weeping .
Judas judged and condemend a woman by saying "she should not have done this but rather should have sold this and given the money to the poor " All the disciples who should have known better agreed with him , save one who said "He ddi not say this because eh loved the poor but because he carried the bag ;he was a theif . In the end he sold the truth for 30 peices of silver .
The salvation army proves the case , For thier motto was and still is "Fire and blood" and truly they were on fire in the beginning and tarnsformed lives and living BOTH spiritual and practical so much so pubs had to close becasue they ahd no customers and the publicans used to hire thugs to wage war against them.
The Salvationa rmy used to give fair warning before theya rrived at any particular spot . with notices that said things like "War will be declared here at 7pm" and "prisoners will eb taken"
and by God they won many a vcitory and the gospel was preached with fire from heaven.,
But what now?
They do all the social services but there is no longer any fire.
That mor eor less goes with all the denominations .
Though many claim otherwise.
Some no longer even preach the cross .Most and the vast majority preach but the milk of the word and will rue the day they did so when the world will rise up against them.
they are getting into bed with governments who "do not do God" but who give them a little praise and a spotlight for 15 minutes .Others use the world to attract the world ,but if you do that you will need the wordl to keep them.
Jesus fed 5000 people . But it did not save them.
If you go and feed a flock of ducks on a park pond the duckes will follow you till the bread runs out then they will go and find another .
What did Jesus say? Do not labour for that which does not satisfy.
"Man shall not live by bread alone but by every Word that proceedeth from thne mouth of God" is something that the church seems to only apply to itself.
and while the world 'starves' it gorges itself and is satisfied .
and says " I am rich , increased with goods and in need of nothing "

In Christ
gerald
 
That scripture was directed at adults who were idle busybodies. That is what upset Paul, God. Them not eating does not please God. He just wanted to show His frustration with such. Today there are things that idle busy bodies can do if they don't work. So taking the ''not eating'' part of that scripture literally applies less and less as we advance. I don't think God has ever taken that scripture literally.

We have the ability today to cure the world of poverty and we should. We don't need ''idiotic'' reasoning like the above. No work = no eat. Wow that is a very kind and caring Christian attitude. To hell with the kids, old and deformed associated with the lazy. Lazy people and all under them must starve to death!!!! :rolleyes:

God takes His own word literally. Why don't you? What you've said there is a mockery.
 
God takes His own word literally. Why don't you? What you've said there is a mockery.
It is good to hear you say God takes His word literally and agree with that. It seemed you couldn't with 1 Tim 2:12. All you need to do now is grasp other scripture for context. Because in this case you are pushing a half truth.

Note how Matt 6:25 says ''do not worry about what you will eat''. Note there is no disclaimer here. Lazy, idle, naughty or having no faith are not going to cause God to not give us some food. When the Jews were in the desert, they all got fed. Even those who God knew would rebel and die the next day were fed by Him the day before.

Matt 6:25-34 Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?


28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendorwas dressed like one of these.30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith?31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

All that is needed to get God to feed and look after us is mentioned right there in vs 33 ''But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness''. Euphemia are you proposing that a fat lazy and idle person cannot be a Christian? There are no fat, idle and lazy Christians? What exactly are you saying? You need to better explain your end argument because what you have proposed sounds very wicked. It is on par with saying God is going to have a Christian in adultery stoned to death.
 
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geralduk

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It is good to hear you say God takes His word literally and agree with that. It seemed you couldn't with 1 Tim 2:12. All you need to do now is grasp other scripture for context. Because in this case you are pushing a half truth.

Note how Matt 6:25 says ''do not worry about what you will eat''. Note there is no disclaimer here. Lazy, idle, naughty or having no faith are not going to cause God to not give us some food. When the Jews were in the desert, they all got fed. Even those who God knew would rebel and die the next day were fed by Him the day before.

Matt 6:25-34 Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothes?26 Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they? 27 Can any one of you by worrying add a single hour to your life?


28 “And why do you worry about clothes? See how the flowers of the field grow. They do not labor or spin.29 Yet I tell you that not even Solomon in all his splendorwas dressed like one of these.30 If that is how God clothes the grass of the field, which is here today and tomorrow is thrown into the fire, will he not much more clothe you—you of little faith?31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. Each day has enough trouble of its own.

All that is needed to get God to feed and look after us is mentioned right there in vs 33 ''But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness''. Euphemia are you proposing that a fat lazy and idle person cannot be a Christian? There are no fat, idle and lazy Christians? What exactly are you saying? You need to better explain your end argument because what you have proposed sounds very wicked. It is on par with saying God is going to have a Christian in adultery stoned to death.

"it is on par with God saying God is going to have a Christian in adultery stoned to death"
"How can a man live in sin when he has died to it?"
and the woman caught in adultery WAS guilty under the law and by the law could have been stoned to death.
The fact that she was not is not down to the Lord abnegating the laws of God . But because he gave both the accuser and the accused time to "consider thier ways" The woman who sought mercy repeneted and called Him "Lord"
The accusers who sought to be justified by the law were answered by the law and by the law were convicted of thier own sin and left .For the law states " the accuser must cast the first stone ."
The only one who was without sin and could justifiably accuse her chose not to do so but with the words "Neither do I condemn you GO AND SIN NO MORE"
Famine is a consequence of sin and idolitory .
Plauge also .
The land of Israel suffered famine .
Out of all of Israel only one widow was fed albeit there were many widows in Israel said Jesus .
Your right God did feed the children of Israel while they wandered in the wilderness for 40 YEARS . But they were out of the will of God and did not enter the promise after 40 DAYS because of thier unbelief.
Hardly a satisfactory state of affairs.

in Christ
gerald
 
It is good to hear you say God takes His word literally and agree with that. It seemed you couldn't with 1 Tim 2:12. All you need to do now is grasp other scripture for context. Because in this case you are pushing a half truth.

Yeah, I take Paul literally, according to his context.

Euphemia are you proposing that a fat lazy and idle person cannot be a Christian? There are no fat, idle and lazy Christians? What exactly are you saying? You need to better explain your end argument because what you have proposed sounds very wicked. It is on par with saying God is going to have a Christian in adultery stoned to death.

Fat, lazy and idle Christians are still children of the most high God, and are deemed righteous by God. They are simply not fully grown up in Christ. Thank God for His patience and mercy as we stumble along getting to where He is leading us.

Where you get your conclusions is anybody's guess.
 
We don't need ''idiotic'' reasoning like the above. No work = no eat. Wow that is a very kind and caring Christian attitude. To hell with the kids, old and deformed associated with the lazy. Lazy people and all under them must starve to death!!!! :rolleyes:

You need to tone down your rhetoric, sir.
 
Fat, lazy and idle Christians are still children of the most high God, and are deemed righteous by God. They are simply not fully grown up in Christ. Thank God for His patience and mercy as we stumble along getting to where He is leading us.
Are you now saying an idle and lazy person should get to eat? It is quite hard to be a Christian if you are dead from starvation.
 
"Sluggard"
‛āṣēl: An adjective meaning sluggish, lazy. It is best known for its translation as sluggards, useless, lazy persons who always fail because of laziness that becomes moral failure

Pro 13:4.. The soul of the sluggard desireth, and hath nothing: but the soul of the diligent shall be made fat.

Pro 26:16.. The sluggard is wiser in his own conceit than seven men that can render a reason.

Pro 20:4.. The sluggard will not plow by reason of the cold; therefore shall he beg in harvest, and have nothing.

There are millions of people on "welfare" that fit this description.
 
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