Brexit - the meaning of.

Hi @Man-ofGod,

Pleased to meet you. Thank you for your comment. Now I am going to start a thread soon of Daniel 7, in the Bible Study forum, so I hope we can discuss our thoughts there together.

regards, Marilyn.
 
Marilyn C said:
Hi @Man-ofGod,

Pleased to meet you. Thank you for your comment. Now I am going to start a thread soon of Daniel 7, in the Bible Study forum, so I hope we can discuss our thoughts there together.

regards, Marilyn.
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Please to meet you as well.--I would love too. Talking about scripture is all I ever want to do lol!:) That and spend time w/ my kids!

Blessings,
--MoG
 
JPPT1974 said:
Well did not know it had Biblical meaning. Thanks for putting that up.
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Hi @JPPT1974,

In one of the links that Abdicate has given, a verse from the Psalms was quoted.

' Where no counsel is, the people fall:
but in the multitude of counsellors there is safety.'
(Pro 11:14)

We in the UK had a multitude of counsellors, but because of increasing confusion it became so very difficult to know what was true.

I believe that all that happens in the world is foreknown by God, and that His purposes will ultimately be fulfilled regardless of the decisions made by man, and their consequences.

What these two links reveal may be sound and they may not be, I do not know, but one thing is sure - the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ knows all things and all things will come to pass, just as He has said in His Word. In Christ we have nothing to fear, but all to rejoice in.

Praise His Holy Name!

In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
Marilyn C said:
Here are a few excerpts from an article by Michael Synder.

If you believe that the Brexit vote is going to kill the idea of a "United States of Europe", you might want to think again. In fact, it appears that the decision by the British people to leave the European Union is only going to accelerate the process of creating an EU superstate.

For a very long time, advocates of increased European integration have dreamed of going all the way and creating a true "United States of Europe", but Britain was always one of the stumbling blocks that stood in the way.

But now that Britain is out and there is great fear that the entire European project may be in jeopardy, there seems to be a rush to go for broke and try to complete the job of European integration.

The Express is one of the biggest news organizations in the UK, and they are reporting that the foreign ministers of France and Germany already have a blueprint "to effectively do away with individual member states"...

The foreign ministers of France and Germany are due to reveal a blueprint to effectively do away with individual member states in what is being described as an "ultimatum".

Under the radical proposals EU countries will lose the right to have their own army, criminal law, taxation system or central bank, with all those powers being transferred to Brussels.

Controversially member states would also lose what few controls they have left over their own borders, including the procedure for admitting and relocating refugees.

It is being reported that the following paragraph comes from the preamble to the document...

"Our countries share a common destiny and a common set of values that give rise to an even closer union between our citizens. We will therefore strive for a political union in Europe and invite the next Europeans to participate in this venture."



By Michael Synder.(end of the American dream blog. June 28, 2016)
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Wow, I never would have thought it would open the doors for a European Union. Its Sad to say that when I first heard the news.I didn't know one single thing about it. Also I do agree on Daniel 7, with Russia taking the role it has globally. "
 
Serene58 said:
Wow, I never would have thought it would open the doors for a European Union. Its Sad to say that when I first heard the news.I didn't know one single thing about it. Also I do agree on Daniel 7, with Russia taking the role it has globally. "
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Hi @Serene58,

Nice to see you entering in. yes we are all having to update our understanding of what is happening in our world. I meant to do Daniel 7 earlier, but wasn`t well, but will get to it.

regards, Marilyn.
 
Marilyn C said:
Brexit – the meaning of.

These are my thoughts –

In contemporary times three great power blocs have emerged.

  1. Great Britain (Lion) & USA (Eagle).

  2. The Russian Federation. (Bear)

  3. The European Union.
These great powers arose one at a time & still operate as separate Political powers. The last power has not as yet gained its full Political authority. To do that Britain must be disconnected from the EU. Although Britain was never Politically joined to the EU it was a barrier to the EU`s ambitions of strong central control. Thus the uncoupling.

This Brexit, I believe will lead to –

  1. The rich becoming richer & the poor, poorer.

  2. Britain will still have economic treaties with the EU.

  3. The EU central government will become the strong Political Power over all its other nation states. In effect each country of the EU will be forced to give over its sovereign rights.


So what do you see?
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I would caution all to be very wary about wanting prophecy to come true based on our emotions. I think all Christians want to see the 2nd Coming of Christ, I know I do, but we must be careful to make sure what is happening is based in Scripture and not our hearts.

Is the Brexit event Bible prophesy coming true. Frankly I do not know. I hope so, But it seems to me that for it to be Biblical then Great Britain would then have to be one of the "lost tribes" of Jews. That is because the Tribulation Period is all about the Jews and God working to bring them to Christ to be saved. Then Israel will enter the Kingdom Age with Jesus Christ ruling from Jerusalem,...IMO of what the Scriptures. Maybe I am wrong about this and anyone is free to correct me.

Now, If that is the case, basically then there should be a genetic connection between the people of England and the Jews. . However, there is a really good book on this titled...."Races of Mankind: their Origin and Migration.

The author, Anthropologist Dr. Calvin Kephart, says that while the Anglo-Saxon people are 'Aryans', the Hebrews are from the 'Turanian' racial family. They are a completely different race!

Daniel 7:18.......
" But the saints of the Most High shall receive the kingdom, and possess the kingdom forever, even forever and ever.’"

It is my understanding that the "saints" in Daniel is Israel. (Notice Dan. 7:21 and 22).

Just something for you to consider.
 
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[QUOTE="Major, post: 442929, member: 4448"Now, If that is the case, basically then there should be a genetic connection between the people of England and the Jews. . However, there is a really good book on this titled...."Races of Mankind: their Origin and Migration.

The author, Anthropologist Dr. Calvin Kephart, says that while the Anglo-Saxon people are 'Aryans', the Hebrews are from the 'Turanian' racial family. They are a completely different race![/QUOTE]

The Brexit referendum concerned the UK (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), Major. The "traditional" people of England might be considered Anglo-Saxon but by that token, the people of Ireland, Scotland and Wales might equally be considered or consider themselves Celts.

As far as I can see, the earliest known settlers of the Island of Great Britain were Picts and Britons who are both usually classed as Celts. The Angles and Saxons were invaders from Germanic tribes who I'd guess both pushed/confined some of the 'Celts to Scotland and Wales and interbred with existing people. On top of that, there were invasions from the Roman Empire, the Vikings and the Norman Conquest. One later (medieval) history in my part of the UK might also be worth a mention as people moved over from countries like the Netherlands to escape religious persecution and settled in East Anglia.

I'm far from expert on any of this but what I'm trying to say as that if you are to consider the race of the long established (what I mean there is we are rather more "multicultural" than this) people of Great Britain or of the UK, a) you need to be aware that there are the 2 distinct groups by which people may identify and b) with so much movement of people, including but not limited to the ones I've mentioned, I'd speculate that it is highly unlikely that any of us are likely to anything close to "pure Celt" or "pure Anglo-Saxon".

I believe we are quite a mixed bunch although I'd not guess at any significant Jewish contribution to the mix.
 
boltardy said:
[QUOTE="Major, post: 442929, member: 4448"Now, If that is the case, basically then there should be a genetic connection between the people of England and the Jews. . However, there is a really good book on this titled...."Races of Mankind: their Origin and Migration.

The author, Anthropologist Dr. Calvin Kephart, says that while the Anglo-Saxon people are 'Aryans', the Hebrews are from the 'Turanian' racial family. They are a completely different race!
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The Brexit referendum concerned the UK (The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland), Major. The "traditional" people of England might be considered Anglo-Saxon but by that token, the people of Ireland, Scotland and Wales might equally be considered or consider themselves Celts.

As far as I can see, the earliest known settlers of the Island of Great Britain were Picts and Britons who are both usually classed as Celts. The Angles and Saxons were invaders from Germanic tribes who I'd guess both pushed/confined some of the 'Celts to Scotland and Wales and interbred with existing people. On top of that, there were invasions from the Roman Empire, the Vikings and the Norman Conquest. One later (medieval) history in my part of the UK might also be worth a mention as people moved over from countries like the Netherlands to escape religious persecution and settled in East Anglia.

I'm far from expert on any of this but what I'm trying to say as that if you are to consider the race of the long established (what I mean there is we are rather more "multicultural" than this) people of Great Britain or of the UK, a) you need to be aware that there are the 2 distinct groups by which people may identify and b) with so much movement of people, including but not limited to the ones I've mentioned, I'd speculate that it is highly unlikely that any of us are likely to anything close to "pure Celt" or "pure Anglo-Saxon".

I believe we are quite a mixed bunch although I'd not guess at any significant Jewish contribution to the mix.[/QUOTE]

That was my only point. ..........."I'd not guess at any significant Jewish contribution to the mix".

My only thought about the Brexit is that right after Britain had joined EU, many students of the Bible had expected that Britain will eventually leave.
But that prediction was based on the fact that Britain is part of the ten lost tribes of Israel.

I was only saying that IMO that does not seem possible as it does not seem that Britain is one of the lost tribes of Jews hence the Brexit move may not be a fulfillment of Bible prophecy based on Daniel 7. My guess personally is that they have grow tired of all the immigrants that have come in and taken jobs away from Britons.
 
I don't think the vote to leave is a bad thing; this allows the British people to govern their country again. I am British and I voted to leave because the EU is feeding us lies and forcing laws and policies onto us.
At this stage, it is a waiting game; the next 12 months will be interesting to see the effect on all citizens, the economy and the rest of the world.
 
Major said:
My guess personally is that they have grow tired of all the immigrants that have come in and taken jobs away from Britons.
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I don't think there is a single clear picture, Major.

If we break things down to the individual nations involved, the most decisive result was in Scotland which voted to remain. Northern Ireland also voted to remain and Wales and, a bit more strongly so, England, voted to leave.

A notable exception in England was London who probably have one of the highest percentages of immigrants in the UK but voted to remain. That said, I would think immigration was considered an issue by quite a few in other parts of the country...

Yet another theory is the "little to loose" one, ie. those working with mortgages and on reasonable middle incomes were more likely to vote remain than those in rented property and low income. Tied in with that one can be the idea that some leave voters did so more as a protest against the governments than anything else.

Then there are the people who simply do not trust or don't want to be what they perceive as being ruled by Europe... And so we could continue to go back and forth on this and pick up different theories and opinions depending on which papers we read...

Whatever, overall 52% of the UK as a whole voted to leave and we have to look at what happens next. I don't think it will happen but there is talk of a second referendum over Scottish independence, presumably with an independent Scotland looking to joining the EU. I suppose even less likely could be a move in Northern Ireland to join the Republic of Ireland (although I can't see the Unionists going for that one). As I said I think any of this is improbable but it is not the full 100% clear to me at the moment that the UK will continue for much longer in its present form.

On other things, I think things will be tough in the short term with the effects of Brexit being felt more strongly next year. The longer term is probably anyone's guess with much depending on whether we can still get access to the EU trading system and what other trading deals may be struck.

At least that would be my forecast if "everything else" stays the same. The whole world strikes me as being pretty volatile at the moment...
 
boltardy said:
I don't think there is a single clear picture, Major.

If we break things down to the individual nations involved, the most decisive result was in Scotland which voted to remain. Northern Ireland also voted to remain and Wales and, a bit more strongly so, England, voted to leave.

A notable exception in England was London who probably have one of the highest percentages of immigrants in the UK but voted to remain. That said, I would think immigration was considered an issue by quite a few in other parts of the country...

Yet another theory is the "little to loose" one, ie. those working with mortgages and on reasonable middle incomes were more likely to vote remain than those in rented property and low income. Tied in with that one can be the idea that some leave voters did so more as a protest against the governments than anything else.

Then there are the people who simply do not trust or don't want to be what they perceive as being ruled by Europe... And so we could continue to go back and forth on this and pick up different theories and opinions depending on which papers we read...

Whatever, overall 52% of the UK as a whole voted to leave and we have to look at what happens next. I don't think it will happen but there is talk of a second referendum over Scottish independence, presumably with an independent Scotland looking to joining the EU. I suppose even less likely could be a move in Northern Ireland to join the Republic of Ireland (although I can't see the Unionists going for that one). As I said I think any of this is improbable but it is not the full 100% clear to me at the moment that the UK will continue for much longer in its present form.

On other things, I think things will be tough in the short term with the effects of Brexit being felt more strongly next year. The longer term is probably anyone's guess with much depending on whether we can still get access to the EU trading system and what other trading deals may be struck.

At least that would be my forecast if "everything else" stays the same. The whole world strikes me as being pretty volatile at the moment...
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It is a very deep well is it not.
 
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