Can a husband lift a bigger rock than a wife?

Some of my notes from many years ago on First Peter 3:7

First Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, when they see your pure and reverent conduct. Let your beauty not be external—the braiding of hair and wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes— but the inner person of the heart, the lasting beauty of a gentle and tranquil spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. For in the same way the holy women who hoped in God long ago adorned themselves by being subject to their husbands, like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

Abstract
The admonishment to wives in this opening section of chapter three deals with a wife’s inner feminine disposition. In verse seven, the translation “weaker partner” fails to capture the nuance of ASQEN-. “Weaker” would reference a physical feature of the wives, a meaning not at all intended in this section directed toward the “inner person.” The correct translation should be the “more vulnerable” partner. And this ‘vulnerability’ corresponds to their inner disposition, not their physical strength. More specifically, wives are the more vulnerable partner based on their inner femininity which in accordance with God’s creative purpose is one of the most admirable characteristics they (and women in general) possess. Possessing this vulnerability, women are by nature more inclined to become vulnerable, intimate, and trusting in a marriage relationship. Being designed as the more vulnerable, it may very well be the reason Satan approached Eve in the Garden of Eden, sensing her vulnerability as a weakness, not realizing it is one of her greatest strengths.

Rather than being described as “weaker,” wives are presented in their godly glory in the opening section of chapter three.
Although addressed to wives, some of these admonishings by Peter are of such a nature as to make them applicable to women in general.
This opening admonishing to wives appeals to their feminine qualities.
In the first part of chapter 3, Peter describes wives from the standpoint of their INNER beauty and spirit, but he does so by beginning with an external feature.

Their “adornment” (shows the transfer from external to internal) was in their submissive disposition. In fact, Peter seems to be using the external features of wives as a reflection of their inner selves.

Continuing Peter’s contrasts (from the external to the internal), one would expect the characteristic of the wives as being “weaker” to point toward something with their physical strength.

If there is any sense in which “weaker” (note this word is in parentheses) describes the wives’ physical strength (external), it does so only as a point of contrast to her inner disposition. Just as Peter uses external features or characteristics of the wives to go into her soul, so does the use of “weaker” point to their souls. But how is a soul “weaker”?

Weaker, as the preceding context indicates, points to a feminine quality. So, the question is further reduced to, “How is the wives’ femininity to be understood as ‘weaker’?

My suggestion is that the “weaker” sense Peter has in mind can better be understood as “more vulnerable.”

The relation between weaker and vulnerable seems too obvious to point out, but perhaps a few extra-biblical usages of this term will shed more light on what Peter was saying.

The weaker vessel/partner

weaker
vessel

II. to s. = the body, as the vessel of the soul, a metaph. clearly expressed in 2 Ep.Cor.4.7, echomen de ton thêsauron touton en ostrakinois skeuesin, cf. 1 Ep.Thess.4.4, 1 Ep.Pet. 3.7.

The vessel refers to the physical body, as made from the earth, but its function is to house and express the soul.
partner: where does this come from?

1 Peter 3:7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

This brief article attempts to make yet another contribution to our understanding of Peter’s obscure reference to wives as “weaker” partners. Remarkably, most seem to take Peter here to be referring to the fact that husbands can lift bigger rocks than wives. Most commentaries you check will identify this weaker state as related primarily to her physical body. But one wonders why husbands are to show honor to their wives based on the fact that they are physically stronger.

As Covey would have us do, I’d like to begin with the end in mind. What I will seek to demonstrate is the comparative of ASQENIA should be translated “more vulnerable.” And this vulnerability is related to the female’s femininity. One of the most attractive aspects of the female is here femininity. And the sense in which she is more vulnerable is those feminine qualities that the male finds alluring, and because of this vulnerability, the man seeks to complement her by his protection of her. This vulnerability, like that of an innocent child, is not a flaw, but an admirable quality.

Actually, Peter indicates here that due to their being “weaker,” husbands should hold their wives in honor. A brief look at some of the earlier, extra-biblical uses of the Greek word asqenhV may shed light on this somewhat elusive term Peter uses.

The resultant state of being “weak” is very often that of being made “vulnerable.” I think there is a natural affinity between being weak and vulnerable in the physical sense, at least within society.

They are the weaker of society. (neutral)

A defeated city is thereby made weaker. (become vulnerable to further attacks)

A child is said to be weaker. (more vulnerable)

When used of physical weakness, even then, the implication is that due to their physical weakness, they now become vulnerable.

Ancient

Xenophon, Cyropaedia

[30] And by making his own self-control an example, he disposed all to practice that virtue more diligently. For when the weaker (more vulnerable) members of society see that one who is in a position where he may indulge himself to excess is still under self-control, they naturally strive all the more not to be found guilty of any excessive indulgence.

(X.Cyr.8.1.30)

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War (1.141.2,3)

[2] As to the war and the resources of either party, a detailed comparison will not show you the inferiority of Athens (their vulnerability). [3] Personally engaged in the cultivation of their land, without funds either private or public, the Peloponnesians are also without experience in long wars across sea, from the strict limit which poverty imposes on their attacks upon each other

Antiphon, Speeches

I am not surprised that the defendant, who has committed so outrageous a crime, should speak as he has acted; just as I pardon you, who are desirous of discovering the facts exactly, for tolerating such utterances from his lips as deserve to be greeted with derision. Thus, he admits that he gave the man the blows which caused his death; yet he not only denies that he himself is the dead man's murderer, but asserts, alive and well though he is, that we, who are seeking vengeance for the victim, are his own murderers. And I wish to show that the remainder of his defense is of a similar character. [2] To begin with, he said that even if the man did die as a result of the blows, he did not kill him: because it is the aggressor who is to blame for what happens: it is he whom the law condemns; and the aggressor was the dead man. First, let me tell you that young men are more likely to be the aggressors and make a drunken assault than old. The young are incited by their natural arrogance their full vigor, and the unaccustomed effects of wine to give free play to anger: whereas old men are sobered by their experience of drunken excesses, by the weakness (vulnerability) of age, and by their fear of the strength of the young.
(Antiph. 4.3.2)

Herodotus, The Histories

CXXXV. This was Gobryas' advice, and at nightfall Darius followed it. He left the men who were worn out, and those whose loss mattered least to him, there in the camp, and all the asses, too, tethered. [2] His reasons for leaving the asses, and the infirm among his soldiers, were the following: the asses, so that they would bray; the men, who were left because of their infirmity (vulnerability), he pretended were to guard the camp while he attacked the Scythians with the fit part of his army. [3] Giving this order to those who were left behind, and lighting campfires, Darius made all haste to reach the Ister. When the asses found themselves deserted by the multitude, they brayed the louder for it; and the Scythians heard them and assumed that the Persians were in the place. (Hdt. 4.135)

New Testament uses
The default sense is not physical weakness, though it can and does mean that.

Matt. 26.41 spirit is willing but flesh is weak/vulnerable (It has no defense)
Rom. 5.5 while we were still helpless (not weak in physical strength, but vulnerable)
1 Cor. 8:7 But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak/vulnerable, is defiled.
1 Cor. 8.10
1 Cor. 9.22 not physical weakness
Gal. 4.9 weak and beggarly elements of the world that enslaved us
1 Thess. 5. 14 comfort the discouraged, help the weak (those who are vulnerable)
James 5 sick become vulnerable
 
I always thought it meant to treat your wife gently. As the word weaker can also mean delicate and thus needs a gentle touch. I have often modernized it for some who think it means to dominate them with "Treat your wife like fine china, not chinet! As fine china has great value and you will toss chinet in the trash when you're done with it."
 
I always thought it meant to treat your wife gently. As the word weaker can also mean delicate and thus needs a gentle touch. I have often modernized it for some who think it means to dominate them with "Treat your wife like fine china, not chinet! As fine china has great value and you will toss chinet in the trash when you're done with it."
But "gently" doesn't work in most (all?) of the passages cited in Ancient Greek. Do you have any examples of this usage?
 
No, I was just sharing how I had interpreted the phrase "Treat your wives as the weaker vessel." This was how I understood what was being said, to me the weaker vessel is not meant to be taken as physical strength, but more delicate like a priceless vase. For me it spoke more to the value of your wife and to treat her accordingly. Again this is just my own interpretation of what was said.
 
Consider the context. Two millennia ago, in Roman held territory, a man held life and death power over those in his household. This passage is an exhortation to mercy and compassion towards the wife as subject.
 
Possessing this vulnerability, women are by nature more inclined to become vulnerable, intimate, and trusting in a marriage relationship. Being designed as the more vulnerable, it may very well be the reason Satan approached Eve in the Garden of Eden, sensing her vulnerability as a weakness, not realizing it is one of her greatest strengths.
Well stated. Today, so many non-Christian women downplay their biological and emotional differences from men and in my profession (teaching), I would not even hint at these innate differences between men and women. But yes indeed, we should take into consideration our wives’ physical and biological limitations, as did God in the Law given to Israel (Le 18:19; 20:18).
 
Some of my notes from many years ago on First Peter 3:7

First Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, when they see your pure and reverent conduct. Let your beauty not be external—the braiding of hair and wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes— but the inner person of the heart, the lasting beauty of a gentle and tranquil spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. For in the same way the holy women who hoped in God long ago adorned themselves by being subject to their husbands, like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

Abstract
The admonishment to wives in this opening section of chapter three deals with a wife’s inner feminine disposition. In verse seven, the translation “weaker partner” fails to capture the nuance of ASQEN-. “Weaker” would reference a physical feature of the wives, a meaning not at all intended in this section directed toward the “inner person.” The correct translation should be the “more vulnerable” partner. And this ‘vulnerability’ corresponds to their inner disposition, not their physical strength. More specifically, wives are the more vulnerable partner based on their inner femininity which in accordance with God’s creative purpose is one of the most admirable characteristics they (and women in general) possess. Possessing this vulnerability, women are by nature more inclined to become vulnerable, intimate, and trusting in a marriage relationship. Being designed as the more vulnerable, it may very well be the reason Satan approached Eve in the Garden of Eden, sensing her vulnerability as a weakness, not realizing it is one of her greatest strengths.

Rather than being described as “weaker,” wives are presented in their godly glory in the opening section of chapter three.
Although addressed to wives, some of these admonishings by Peter are of such a nature as to make them applicable to women in general.
This opening admonishing to wives appeals to their feminine qualities.
In the first part of chapter 3, Peter describes wives from the standpoint of their INNER beauty and spirit, but he does so by beginning with an external feature.

Their “adornment” (shows the transfer from external to internal) was in their submissive disposition. In fact, Peter seems to be using the external features of wives as a reflection of their inner selves.

Continuing Peter’s contrasts (from the external to the internal), one would expect the characteristic of the wives as being “weaker” to point toward something with their physical strength.

If there is any sense in which “weaker” (note this word is in parentheses) describes the wives’ physical strength (external), it does so only as a point of contrast to her inner disposition. Just as Peter uses external features or characteristics of the wives to go into her soul, so does the use of “weaker” point to their souls. But how is a soul “weaker”?

Weaker, as the preceding context indicates, points to a feminine quality. So, the question is further reduced to, “How is the wives’ femininity to be understood as ‘weaker’?

My suggestion is that the “weaker” sense Peter has in mind can better be understood as “more vulnerable.”

The relation between weaker and vulnerable seems too obvious to point out, but perhaps a few extra-biblical usages of this term will shed more light on what Peter was saying.

The weaker vessel/partner

weaker
vessel

II. to s. = the body, as the vessel of the soul, a metaph. clearly expressed in 2 Ep.Cor.4.7, echomen de ton thêsauron touton en ostrakinois skeuesin, cf. 1 Ep.Thess.4.4, 1 Ep.Pet. 3.7.

The vessel refers to the physical body, as made from the earth, but its function is to house and express the soul.
partner: where does this come from?

1 Peter 3:7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

This brief article attempts to make yet another contribution to our understanding of Peter’s obscure reference to wives as “weaker” partners. Remarkably, most seem to take Peter here to be referring to the fact that husbands can lift bigger rocks than wives. Most commentaries you check will identify this weaker state as related primarily to her physical body. But one wonders why husbands are to show honor to their wives based on the fact that they are physically stronger.

As Covey would have us do, I’d like to begin with the end in mind. What I will seek to demonstrate is the comparative of ASQENIA should be translated “more vulnerable.” And this vulnerability is related to the female’s femininity. One of the most attractive aspects of the female is here femininity. And the sense in which she is more vulnerable is those feminine qualities that the male finds alluring, and because of this vulnerability, the man seeks to complement her by his protection of her. This vulnerability, like that of an innocent child, is not a flaw, but an admirable quality.

Actually, Peter indicates here that due to their being “weaker,” husbands should hold their wives in honor. A brief look at some of the earlier, extra-biblical uses of the Greek word asqenhV may shed light on this somewhat elusive term Peter uses.

The resultant state of being “weak” is very often that of being made “vulnerable.” I think there is a natural affinity between being weak and vulnerable in the physical sense, at least within society.

They are the weaker of society. (neutral)

A defeated city is thereby made weaker. (become vulnerable to further attacks)

A child is said to be weaker. (more vulnerable)

When used of physical weakness, even then, the implication is that due to their physical weakness, they now become vulnerable.

Ancient

Xenophon, Cyropaedia

[30] And by making his own self-control an example, he disposed all to practice that virtue more diligently. For when the weaker (more vulnerable) members of society see that one who is in a position where he may indulge himself to excess is still under self-control, they naturally strive all the more not to be found guilty of any excessive indulgence.

(X.Cyr.8.1.30)

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War (1.141.2,3)

[2] As to the war and the resources of either party, a detailed comparison will not show you the inferiority of Athens (their vulnerability). [3] Personally engaged in the cultivation of their land, without funds either private or public, the Peloponnesians are also without experience in long wars across sea, from the strict limit which poverty imposes on their attacks upon each other

Antiphon, Speeches

I am not surprised that the defendant, who has committed so outrageous a crime, should speak as he has acted; just as I pardon you, who are desirous of discovering the facts exactly, for tolerating such utterances from his lips as deserve to be greeted with derision. Thus, he admits that he gave the man the blows which caused his death; yet he not only denies that he himself is the dead man's murderer, but asserts, alive and well though he is, that we, who are seeking vengeance for the victim, are his own murderers. And I wish to show that the remainder of his defense is of a similar character. [2] To begin with, he said that even if the man did die as a result of the blows, he did not kill him: because it is the aggressor who is to blame for what happens: it is he whom the law condemns; and the aggressor was the dead man. First, let me tell you that young men are more likely to be the aggressors and make a drunken assault than old. The young are incited by their natural arrogance their full vigor, and the unaccustomed effects of wine to give free play to anger: whereas old men are sobered by their experience of drunken excesses, by the weakness (vulnerability) of age, and by their fear of the strength of the young.
(Antiph. 4.3.2)

Herodotus, The Histories

CXXXV. This was Gobryas' advice, and at nightfall Darius followed it. He left the men who were worn out, and those whose loss mattered least to him, there in the camp, and all the asses, too, tethered. [2] His reasons for leaving the asses, and the infirm among his soldiers, were the following: the asses, so that they would bray; the men, who were left because of their infirmity (vulnerability), he pretended were to guard the camp while he attacked the Scythians with the fit part of his army. [3] Giving this order to those who were left behind, and lighting campfires, Darius made all haste to reach the Ister. When the asses found themselves deserted by the multitude, they brayed the louder for it; and the Scythians heard them and assumed that the Persians were in the place. (Hdt. 4.135)

New Testament uses
The default sense is not physical weakness, though it can and does mean that.

Matt. 26.41 spirit is willing but flesh is weak/vulnerable (It has no defense)
Rom. 5.5 while we were still helpless (not weak in physical strength, but vulnerable)
1 Cor. 8:7 But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak/vulnerable, is defiled.
1 Cor. 8.10
1 Cor. 9.22 not physical weakness
Gal. 4.9 weak and beggarly elements of the world that enslaved us
1 Thess. 5. 14 comfort the discouraged, help the weak (those who are vulnerable)
James 5 sick become vulnerable
Way tooooo long for me to read and assimilate.
 
Some of my notes from many years ago on First Peter 3:7

First Peter 3:1-7
In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands. Then, even if some are disobedient to the word, they will be won over without a word by the way you live, when they see your pure and reverent conduct. Let your beauty not be external—the braiding of hair and wearing of gold jewelry or fine clothes— but the inner person of the heart, the lasting beauty of a gentle and tranquil spirit, which is precious in God’s sight. For in the same way the holy women who hoped in God long ago adorned themselves by being subject to their husbands, like Sarah who obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. You become her children when you do what is good and have no fear in doing so. Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

Abstract
The admonishment to wives in this opening section of chapter three deals with a wife’s inner feminine disposition. In verse seven, the translation “weaker partner” fails to capture the nuance of ASQEN-. “Weaker” would reference a physical feature of the wives, a meaning not at all intended in this section directed toward the “inner person.” The correct translation should be the “more vulnerable” partner. And this ‘vulnerability’ corresponds to their inner disposition, not their physical strength. More specifically, wives are the more vulnerable partner based on their inner femininity which in accordance with God’s creative purpose is one of the most admirable characteristics they (and women in general) possess. Possessing this vulnerability, women are by nature more inclined to become vulnerable, intimate, and trusting in a marriage relationship. Being designed as the more vulnerable, it may very well be the reason Satan approached Eve in the Garden of Eden, sensing her vulnerability as a weakness, not realizing it is one of her greatest strengths.

Rather than being described as “weaker,” wives are presented in their godly glory in the opening section of chapter three.
Although addressed to wives, some of these admonishings by Peter are of such a nature as to make them applicable to women in general.
This opening admonishing to wives appeals to their feminine qualities.
In the first part of chapter 3, Peter describes wives from the standpoint of their INNER beauty and spirit, but he does so by beginning with an external feature.

Their “adornment” (shows the transfer from external to internal) was in their submissive disposition. In fact, Peter seems to be using the external features of wives as a reflection of their inner selves.

Continuing Peter’s contrasts (from the external to the internal), one would expect the characteristic of the wives as being “weaker” to point toward something with their physical strength.

If there is any sense in which “weaker” (note this word is in parentheses) describes the wives’ physical strength (external), it does so only as a point of contrast to her inner disposition. Just as Peter uses external features or characteristics of the wives to go into her soul, so does the use of “weaker” point to their souls. But how is a soul “weaker”?

Weaker, as the preceding context indicates, points to a feminine quality. So, the question is further reduced to, “How is the wives’ femininity to be understood as ‘weaker’?

My suggestion is that the “weaker” sense Peter has in mind can better be understood as “more vulnerable.”

The relation between weaker and vulnerable seems too obvious to point out, but perhaps a few extra-biblical usages of this term will shed more light on what Peter was saying.

The weaker vessel/partner

weaker
vessel

II. to s. = the body, as the vessel of the soul, a metaph. clearly expressed in 2 Ep.Cor.4.7, echomen de ton thêsauron touton en ostrakinois skeuesin, cf. 1 Ep.Thess.4.4, 1 Ep.Pet. 3.7.

The vessel refers to the physical body, as made from the earth, but its function is to house and express the soul.
partner: where does this come from?

1 Peter 3:7 Husbands, in the same way, treat your wives with consideration as the weaker partners and show them honor as fellow heirs of the grace of life. In this way nothing will hinder your prayers.

This brief article attempts to make yet another contribution to our understanding of Peter’s obscure reference to wives as “weaker” partners. Remarkably, most seem to take Peter here to be referring to the fact that husbands can lift bigger rocks than wives. Most commentaries you check will identify this weaker state as related primarily to her physical body. But one wonders why husbands are to show honor to their wives based on the fact that they are physically stronger.

As Covey would have us do, I’d like to begin with the end in mind. What I will seek to demonstrate is the comparative of ASQENIA should be translated “more vulnerable.” And this vulnerability is related to the female’s femininity. One of the most attractive aspects of the female is here femininity. And the sense in which she is more vulnerable is those feminine qualities that the male finds alluring, and because of this vulnerability, the man seeks to complement her by his protection of her. This vulnerability, like that of an innocent child, is not a flaw, but an admirable quality.

Actually, Peter indicates here that due to their being “weaker,” husbands should hold their wives in honor. A brief look at some of the earlier, extra-biblical uses of the Greek word asqenhV may shed light on this somewhat elusive term Peter uses.

The resultant state of being “weak” is very often that of being made “vulnerable.” I think there is a natural affinity between being weak and vulnerable in the physical sense, at least within society.

They are the weaker of society. (neutral)

A defeated city is thereby made weaker. (become vulnerable to further attacks)

A child is said to be weaker. (more vulnerable)

When used of physical weakness, even then, the implication is that due to their physical weakness, they now become vulnerable.

Ancient

Xenophon, Cyropaedia

[30] And by making his own self-control an example, he disposed all to practice that virtue more diligently. For when the weaker (more vulnerable) members of society see that one who is in a position where he may indulge himself to excess is still under self-control, they naturally strive all the more not to be found guilty of any excessive indulgence.

(X.Cyr.8.1.30)

Thucydides, The Peloponnesian War (1.141.2,3)

[2] As to the war and the resources of either party, a detailed comparison will not show you the inferiority of Athens (their vulnerability). [3] Personally engaged in the cultivation of their land, without funds either private or public, the Peloponnesians are also without experience in long wars across sea, from the strict limit which poverty imposes on their attacks upon each other

Antiphon, Speeches

I am not surprised that the defendant, who has committed so outrageous a crime, should speak as he has acted; just as I pardon you, who are desirous of discovering the facts exactly, for tolerating such utterances from his lips as deserve to be greeted with derision. Thus, he admits that he gave the man the blows which caused his death; yet he not only denies that he himself is the dead man's murderer, but asserts, alive and well though he is, that we, who are seeking vengeance for the victim, are his own murderers. And I wish to show that the remainder of his defense is of a similar character. [2] To begin with, he said that even if the man did die as a result of the blows, he did not kill him: because it is the aggressor who is to blame for what happens: it is he whom the law condemns; and the aggressor was the dead man. First, let me tell you that young men are more likely to be the aggressors and make a drunken assault than old. The young are incited by their natural arrogance their full vigor, and the unaccustomed effects of wine to give free play to anger: whereas old men are sobered by their experience of drunken excesses, by the weakness (vulnerability) of age, and by their fear of the strength of the young.
(Antiph. 4.3.2)

Herodotus, The Histories

CXXXV. This was Gobryas' advice, and at nightfall Darius followed it. He left the men who were worn out, and those whose loss mattered least to him, there in the camp, and all the asses, too, tethered. [2] His reasons for leaving the asses, and the infirm among his soldiers, were the following: the asses, so that they would bray; the men, who were left because of their infirmity (vulnerability), he pretended were to guard the camp while he attacked the Scythians with the fit part of his army. [3] Giving this order to those who were left behind, and lighting campfires, Darius made all haste to reach the Ister. When the asses found themselves deserted by the multitude, they brayed the louder for it; and the Scythians heard them and assumed that the Persians were in the place. (Hdt. 4.135)

New Testament uses
The default sense is not physical weakness, though it can and does mean that.

Matt. 26.41 spirit is willing but flesh is weak/vulnerable (It has no defense)
Rom. 5.5 while we were still helpless (not weak in physical strength, but vulnerable)
1 Cor. 8:7 But this knowledge is not shared by all. And some, by being accustomed to idols in former times, eat this food as an idol sacrifice, and their conscience, because it is weak/vulnerable, is defiled.
1 Cor. 8.10
1 Cor. 9.22 not physical weakness
Gal. 4.9 weak and beggarly elements of the world that enslaved us
1 Thess. 5. 14 comfort the discouraged, help the weak (those who are vulnerable)
James 5 sick become vulnerable

Hello EddieM;

I've read through your threads and here we are at the end of October. Can a husband lift a bigger rock than a wife?
caught my attention.


What led you to write on this subject, what does it say to you and how do you apply this study in everyday life application?

This will help me articulate my thoughts on God's Creation of Marriage, His teaching and it's intentions.

God bless you, EddieM, and thank you for sharing.
 
Hello EddieM;

I've read through your threads and here we are at the end of October. Can a husband lift a bigger rock than a wife?
caught my attention.


What led you to write on this subject, what does it say to you and how do you apply this study in everyday life application?

This will help me articulate my thoughts on God's Creation of Marriage, His teaching and it's intentions.

God bless you, EddieM, and thank you for sharing.
A lot of teachers say that this refers to the husband being a man and therefore he is physically stronger. I did studies in classical Greek to get an idea of what this could possible be. As I searched many uses, I found a common nuance that many shared, and that is the word weaker is an incorrect translation. The word is used of cities that were defeated in battle. What was left of the city was the main idea that the city is now vulnerable. As a side, I also noted that this word meaning vulnerable was not found in other Christian literature. So, had I not seen this in earlier Greek, I would never had known that vulnerable was a possibility.

Now, I then show that a woman being vulnerable (why did Satan go after the woman first?) is a very feminine trait. It is a man's responsibility to protect his wife and teach the wife the whole of Scripture. No, Peter is not saying she can't lift a rock that her husband can, that would be too obvious. Peter is showing (Note the context) the virtues of a woman, and her femininity is certain just that. The point I also tried to make, was we as serious students of the Scriptures, we have the responsibility to study the Word deeply, and our efforts will be rewarded.

I haven't read that in quite awhile, if I missed some of what I wrote, I'll be more than willing to comment on that.
 
Hello EddieM;

I've read through your threads and here we are at the end of October. Can a husband lift a bigger rock than a wife?
caught my attention.


What led you to write on this subject, what does it say to you and how do you apply this study in everyday life application?

This will help me articulate my thoughts on God's Creation of Marriage, His teaching and it's intentions.

God bless you, EddieM, and thank you for sharing.
Can a husband lift a bigger rock than a wife? That depends of the size of the wife in comparison to the rock.😀
 
Hello EddieM;

Thank you for getting back to me with good information. In my personal thoughts there are the theological, Biblical and application approaches.

Some disciples are theologically and Biblically strong as their best suits, but are less in the interpersonal application.

Others are strong in the "hard knocks life" interpersonal application and Biblical suits, but are less in the theological application.

The ones whose best suits are the theological and application, but less in the Biblical, may require more consistent study of the Bible to sustain a foundational knowledge of the Word.

1 Peter 3:1-7, 1 Likewise, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that even if some do not obey the word, they may be won without a word by the conduct of their wives, 2 when they see your respectful and pure conduct. 3 Do not let your adorning be external—the braiding of hair and the putting on of gold jewelry, or the clothing you wear— 4 but let your adorning be the hidden person of the heart with the imperishable beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit, which in God's sight is very precious. 5 For this is how the holy women who hoped in God used to adorn themselves, by submitting to their own husbands, 6 as Sarah obeyed Abraham, calling him lord. And you are her children, if you do good and do not fear anything that is frightening. 7 Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.

In 1985 my wife and I were newly weds. She was 27 and I was 28. I remember reading 1 Peter 3:1-7 for the first time and man did I totally misunderstand it. I pointed to the verse while pointing to my wife confirming that the wife is to obey her husband. That didn't go well with her and though we slept together in the same bed, well, as newly weds it felt lonely in bed for awhile.

As we began to grow in our discipleship it took me years to grasp the teaching of subjective and submitting. The married, Godly woman in the first century had much to think about in terms of subjectiveness and submission to her husband, especially when a marriage meant so much to a wife (and husband) during those times. Being subjective in the context of Jesus is being subjective to his parents or God as an authority, so what is the role of the wife with her husband? It was not to imply as a "lower than thou," or secondary citizen. Submissiveness is a more humble, willful approach in respect to the authority of God, or in her role to her husband, being the priest in their marriage yet being in equal marriage as one.

This is not a lesson a marriage learns overnight. There are other factors to consider when a couple argues, when the husband speaks without wisdom, or when the wife overspends online or at the mall. This gets in the way of the work of Peter's teaching of a marriage between man and woman.

EddieM wrote, "In verse seven, the translation “weaker partner” fails to capture the nuance of ASQEN-. “Weaker” would reference a physical feature of the wives, a meaning not at all intended in this section directed toward the “inner person.” The correct translation should be the “more vulnerable” partner. And this ‘vulnerability’ corresponds to their inner disposition, not their physical strength."

I understand and agree to your point suggesting and reasoning, a translation other than "weaker partner," rather, "more vulnerable" partner. "Weaker partner" has multiple definitions but this is based on our many life experiences between my wife, me and her disposition.

In 1997 when I experienced the lowest point in my career I broke down before my wife and Church family. My inner being and spirit showed my weakness at how brutal an employer can be when there are strength in numbers. My wife complemented my weakness with her strength, through it all. That helped pick me and a month later I was hired at my first managerial job.

When my wife had a miscarriage during our first year of marriage, she was vulnerable and felt helpless with no family in the United States but only me. I had to step up and do everything as God led us to get her to the hospital, communicate with two doctors and the nursing staff, sit at her side in the room and help decide with her induced labor, instead of a surgical procedure. I can't explain it but at that moment I felt God empowered me while my wife relied on me through this horrible experience, the loss of our baby.

These were early examples of the subjective, submissive, understanding, honoring your partner, and supporting each other during those times of weakness, strength and how each other can play a pivotal part in the fruition of a Godly marriage.

In 2004 when I entered seminary and was later ordained our marriage role in reference to 1 Peter 3:1-7, it took on a whole new understanding. Confidentiality played a part between my wife, me and the Church(es) I was serving. Ministering to a single or married woman required a witness or more. There were new challenges in our marriage with a higher accountability for both of us.

What impression did this leave with each of us? We began to see a deeper context of Peter's chapter 3:1-7, of his teaching of the woman as the weaker vessel and a more sub-contextual mixed bag of spiritual being in so many areas.

How does weakness play a role? It's when the husband and wife see and work on the weaknesses or vulnerabilities in their partner. There is a spirit, a compassion, understanding, a humbleness and humility that reveals the partner's character in those moments. When God sees that in us, He is drawn to take care of us, embrace and cover us during those moments. Its when He reveals His strength. We are to emulate His character in those moments in a Biblical marriage.

God bless everyone.
 
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