Hey bro,
I believe that this is the first time that we have disagreed on something.
Job 1:6
"Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them".
Literally, these are divine beings or as we have grown to know them....Angels. These are not fallen or demons. They are servants that serve God's court in heaven.
Because angels are referred to as "sons of God" in
Job 1; there is no correct way to extrapolate that to mean the "sons of God in
Genesis 6" are those same angels or that they are demons/fallen angels.
Judges in Israel were called "sons of God" because they bore the character of God in their judging. (
Gen 23:6;
30:8;
Ex 15:15).
The Aramaic targum Onkelos supports the "sons of god" as being nobel men.
The Greek Symmachus translation is..."sons of the kings or lords".
Archaeology has now attested the fact through finds that a Near East king was consistently referred to as the "son of his god".
Nimrod, in Genesis was called the SUN god by the Babylonians and his son Tamuz was called the "SON of god" and he was Nimrods human son.
Gene......there is not one single verse that indicates that there are female angels my brother. Neither are there any indication of baby angels. There is just no Biblical proof.
I do not believe that there are "guardian" angels. I am one who believes that we are helped and support by the one Jesus promised us.....The Holy Spirit. Jesus did not promise guardian angels, He promised that He would send the Comforter..
As for meat eating. Man turned to eating meat because there was no crops left alive after the flood. That is why Noah took more than two of every kind, so that his family would survive until the crops planted came in.
Gene.....the problem lies in the line of the Messiah being born. IF....IF these were demons, fallen angels and they intermarried with humans and produced children, anf those children had children, sooner or later that means the blood line leading to the birth of the sinless Son of God had the blood of Satan/demons in it!!!! Do we really think that is the case?????
I know that all of us will say...NO, NO. But if we just think about it for a moment, we will, I think come to that conclusion. In fact, what other conclusion could there be?????
I wouldn't go so far as to say we disagree, but rather how we look at Scripture, I have developed a system on how I read my Bible, if what I believe the verse to be saying is true, then there won't be any other verse in the Word that contridicts it, Jesus is the Truth, not one of many truths, but if I find just one verse contradictory then what I believe the meaning of the verse to be is wrong, wouldn't you agree?
For instance, your logical conclusion about the linage of Jesus being tainted with demonic blood can be dispelled by reading Gen 6:9, Noah's blood line was without blemish, another flaw is what you are saying makes God a little god, impotant, unable to keep the royal line pure, now if I remember correctly I've read some where on another thread, you said God was able to keep His Word pure and correct for us through all of the ages, ...6000 years now, so, since He asked Abraham, "Is there anything too difficult for me?" why couldn't He keep the bloodline of Noah pure? You see what I'm getting at?
As for the Anakim after the Flood it's simple, one of Noah's daughter's-in-law had tainted blood, but she was not the wife of Seth.
This laptop is so slow, so I'll let you do the foot work if you are interested, I got the magazine wrong, it was Life, but here is factual evidence from two Christian brothers that demons are interested in women, way back when I read a few excerpts from the story and it tells us she was locked up in isolation with 24 hour gaurds watching, she was examined by medical doctors and she had been raped ,and finally when McAllister and Sumrall delievered her they found a nonhuman hair tightly clutched in her fist, so here are a couple of paragraphs from Yahoo answers about the incident;
Demon possession;
Perhaps one of the most classic experiences, that of the girl whose name was Clarissa who back in 1947, there in the Philippines had the unusual phenomenon of going into these fits where, when she would come out of them would have these bite marks all over her body. Places where it was impossible for her to bite herself; on the back of the shoulder, upon the back of her neck and all, and blood would be drawn. They put her in the Bellevue Prison there for her own protection. And the greatest psychiatrists of the Philippines were brought by the mayor of Manila to psychoanalyze and to find out what was going on. And they came up with, you know, no explanation and no help.
Finally they called for a couple of missionaries; Bob McAllister and Lester Sumrall. And Lester Sumrall has written a book entitled "Bitten by Demons" of the story of Clarissa. Actually Life Magazine got hold of the thing and did a special on it, showing pictures of her and all, of these bite marks on her. And it was quite an interesting thing to the world of psychology and all at that time. But nonetheless, through the ministry of Bob McAllister and Lester Sumrall the girl was delivered from these demons and Clarissa accepted Jesus Christ. And it's quite an interesting story; it's one that you don't want to read before you go to bed.
Because angels are referred to as "sons of God" in
Job 1; there is no correct way to extrapolate that to mean the "sons of God in
Genesis 6" are those same angels or that they are demons/fallen angels.
I believe Scripture illuminates that for us, in Job 38:7 God calls the Angels Sons of God, when He created the earth they were watching, so that had to be before the fall of Lucifer because Rev 2:13 tells us Satan's throne is here on earth, so Satan didn't have a sanctuary yet to place his throne in so that he coulod defile it with his merchandising Eze 28:18, as I have already said Jude and Peter refer to demons that didn't keep their proper abode and are now imprisoned in the Abussos, there are just too many verses that speak of this subject, and besides, like I said, Seth's and Cain's kids are still having children today so where are the giants they are producing?
Bro, maybe you don't believe in
guardian angels, maybe because of the different places we live and the different lives we have lived, but I
know there has to be guardian angels protecting me, this place is so demonic and dark you wouldn't believe it and if there weren't angels protecting me I would of been dead long ago, first let me explain how I know there are demons, as a teenager I took a lot of LSD (drugs are just a door into the deminsion where they live, when on drugs we open that door and allow them into our deminsion), we had spirit guides (their ultimate goal was to kill us), on drugs we saw them, we talked with them, we believed what they said and when in the presence of a demon, there is a foul stench, there is a coldness like being in a freezer and they don't like bright light, I have experienced those same things here, for instance, tourists walking on a hot, glowing red bed of coals and not having their feet burned Pro 6:28, as the witch, and he calls himself a witch, was doing his incantations, when the demonic force comes through the door, there is a shift in the air (time-space continium?) that you can see and feel, the same as when we were coming on to the LSD, and the tourists sense it, they shudder and pull their shirt, blouse, light jackets, around them, because it's cold, then when I first came here I boldly walked into the Mormon Temple in searchof a English-Tahitian dictionary, same thing, and I was quickly and rudely escorted outside, I could give you more instances, but the point I want to make is one day Father told me to stop going to these kind of places and in my heart I felt-heard, "think about your angels," ...now I know
've said some things that are probably foreign to you, but remember, we both agree on the foundational principles of salvation, it's just Father has different roads for us to walk suited to our individual characters.
Blessings,
Gene