That's not true. Those in Abrahams bosom were guilty of plenty sins. They were not in Hades.
Actions < Intent.
Difference Between Sin Committed By Believer And Unbeliever
- Thread starter Ravindran
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Actions < Intent.
What about the latter?
How about these?
No one who abides in him keeps on sinning; no one who keeps on sinning has either seen him or known him.
For if we go on sinning deliberately after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a fearful expectation of judgment, and a fury of fire that will consume the adversaries.
No temptation has overtaken you that is not common to man. God is faithful, and he will not let you be tempted beyond your ability, but with the temptation he will also provide the way of escape, that you may be able to endure it.
I meant, I am talking about this - committing a sin while knowing how wrong it is
I believe something like this is how a venial sin can become a mortal sin because it becomes blatant disobedience to God.
Isn't every sin mortal?
I don't know if I fully agree to this.. God cannot judge a person to hell, if he was oblivious to what was expected from him.. I don't know the 1000 things about your wife.. But I do know what women in generally do no like or like
On the other hand, a believer fully knows what is needed for him to please God.. Stay away from evil! Still he does..
Yes, they are not completely oblivious. I think Cain is a perfect example to explain my point...God did not give Cain the ten commandments, definitely not the 603 other laws. Just one expectation of what he knew he had to repent of to be right with God. Cain swore. Cain thought evil thoughts. Cain beat some people. Cain murdered his brother. The murder caused God to pay him a visit.
If every sin was mortal the Jews would stone thieves to death and not chop their hands off. God would have no reason for judging according to works Rom 2:6. Jesus would not say Mark 7:23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.
I always understood mortal sin as spiritual death of the person.. That is, beyond hope.. I never looked at it from earthly perspective
Because Israel rejected God even though they knew all about the living God?
For the wages of sin is death. Not for the wages of some sin is death.
I never see anyone living as beyond hope. I always teach that you know you have committed the unpardonable sin when you die and wake up in hell. Anyone continuing in mortal sin is definitely testing God's patience.
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You need to consider those in Abraham's bosom properly. They were all guilty of sin / death. They were not in heaven. They were not in hell. Why were they there Where?
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Close... they tried to obtain righteousness through works instead of faith... just like those who call themselves Christians but don't know God just like Job in the beginning.
Romans 9:31-32 (KJV)
But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Job 42:5 (KJV)
I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee.
That's a very good question. Keep in mind, I'm only responding from a specific Christian perspective -- not one that all Christians would agree with.
We know that fundamentally all sin is displeasing to God, no matter how big or small. The divide is that mortal sin is sin that causes spiritual death, where as venial sin is sin that doesn't cause spiritual harm, but may create some sort of divide of charity.
A good description is in the Catechism in paragraph 1862: "One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent. Venial sin weakens charity; it manifests a disordered affection for created goods; it impedes the soul’s progress in the exercise of virtues and practice of moral good; it merits temporal punishment. Deliberate and unrepented venial sin disposes us little by little to commit mortal sin. However venial sin does not set us in direct opposition to the will and friendship of God; it does not break the covenant with God. With God’s grace it is humanly reparable. 'Venial sin does not deprive the sinner of sanctifying grace, friendship with God, charity, and consequently eternal happiness.'"
Some Christians outside of Catholicism, Orthodox, and I believe even Anglican (though I could be wrong on that one), hold the position that because sin is something that offends God, then it remains wrong on equal levels despite how we perceive it. And likewise, because Christ died for the sins we commit, they also remain static.
Anyway, those are the two perspectives of sin.
Mortal and venial sins makes perfect sense to me! and imho is clearly where scripture points.
I am not under the law and, yes sin is sin. But...there are levels of rebellion behind sin. This can make a simple thing like a lie, both a venial or mortal sin. There are levels of rebellion we can sink to that can shipwreck our salvation.
My wife was a good dishwasher. It is one of the reasons I married her. But now, she does not wash dishes anymore. I needed to buy a dishwasher. I did not and will never divorce her for that. But should she, wash dishes for another man or use another mans dish washing liquid on my dishes....
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I look at it differently.. Any sin is capable of separating us from God.. One simple sin.. Because that is what happened to Adam right? Implication of every sin is the same.. When a person is truly born again, I don't think he can be unborn again.. This would take the thread to different direction though..