Arminianism is geared towards mans free will to either except or reject God's grace vs Calvin's predestination.
Do you Hold to either a Free Grace or a Lordship Salvation view then?
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OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. OK... well... Now I understand why BibleLover used Calvinism the way he did. HA.
We're straying toward a forbidden topic. I edited my own post to remove that possibility. I apologize for thoughtlessly wondering into that territory.
If I said something wrong in my posts... PLEASE remove my words. It's too late for me to edit.
Not to worry. No line was crossed; it was caught in time. The fault is entirely mine for my choice of words in expressing my thoughts. God bless ya
Lookie at us..... GOOD CHILDREN.... nipping things in the bud so that MOM and DAD don't have to INTERVENE.
God bless you also.
Sorry, I was just giving a short description of each.
YOU are good..... You explained a definition to me... and then I knew it was an off topic. HA.
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Bob
I want to confess that Im not wholly familiar with Free Grace vs Lordship.. Free Grace seems like a nominal version of Christianity. We've discussed this in other threads but you can make all kinds of claims but an unfruitful, unchanged, unsurrendered life is doesn't count as Christianity.
The Bible
2 Corinthians 5 : 16
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Basically read all of Romans 1 and Galatians 5.
Believing in Christ and Him being Lord over your life aren't always connected. For some these are 2 very different things.
The Bible
2 Corinthians 5 : 16
Therefore, from now on, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him thus no longer.
Philippians 2:12
Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;
Basically read all of Romans 1 and Galatians 5.
Believing in Christ and Him being Lord over your life aren't always connected. For some these are 2 very different things.
Actually its other way around, as Lordship advocates such as Dr Macarthur and Sproul are Calvinists, while Free Grace such as Zane Hodge arminians
I think I have said too much already... I have SEVERE opinions on this topic... and it's a NO GO ZONE here in the forums.... so.... YEAH.... I said too much. HA
They distort and misunderstand Lordship, as its really referring to a believers wanting to have more of themselves surrendered to Lord Jesus, so that He can direct and guide them into who to marry, what job to have etc.but do agree with you that if one takes it to extreme, will make one live under guilt and legalism. Likewise, Free grace to extreme leads to a shallow Christianity
Think we are ok as long as not getting into bashing others, but should be ok to give what we understand this to mean, correct?
I am inclined to agree, different sides of the same coin.
The term FREE GRACE bothers me deeply because it is used as an ACCUSATION.
I have also heard the term.... ABUSING His GRACE which is equally offensive to me.
As I see things.... in other words.... my little DA SHEEP brain of mine... who loves simplicity but also the TRUTH of WHO GOD IS....
is very CLEAR on the FACT that ALL GRACE is OUTRAGEOUSLY given to the sinner.
And so.... trying to keep score of HOW GOOD we need to be... or how BAD someone else is ..... IS simply NIL and VOID. It's a waste of time if you will because we are NOT the focus of our SALVATION....... CHRIST is the payment for our SINS.
I guess the crux of this issue.... is..... DO you believe Salvation is a ONE TIME supernatural event? or.... Do you see it as an on-going process?
I see my salvation and all salvation as a ONE TIME... SUPERNATURAL event that occurs at the time of conversion.
It is a FREE GIFT that cannot be earned.
Our behaviour AFTER we become a Christian is called SANCTIFICATION.... and it is a different thing than SALVATION.
That is how I see it.
If I thought I had ANYTHING to do with the state of my salvation... I would NOT be a CHRISTIAN ,.... FULL stop. That is just me and I do not mean any disrespect to GOD's HOLINESS.
Anyways..... I think I have truly said all I can say about this... NOT my favourite topic.... HA.
I have also heard the term.... ABUSING His GRACE which is equally offensive to me.
As I see things.... in other words.... my little DA SHEEP brain of mine... who loves simplicity but also the TRUTH of WHO GOD IS....
is very CLEAR on the FACT that ALL GRACE is OUTRAGEOUSLY given to the sinner.
And so.... trying to keep score of HOW GOOD we need to be... or how BAD someone else is ..... IS simply NIL and VOID. It's a waste of time if you will because we are NOT the focus of our SALVATION....... CHRIST is the payment for our SINS.
I guess the crux of this issue.... is..... DO you believe Salvation is a ONE TIME supernatural event? or.... Do you see it as an on-going process?
I see my salvation and all salvation as a ONE TIME... SUPERNATURAL event that occurs at the time of conversion.
It is a FREE GIFT that cannot be earned.
Our behaviour AFTER we become a Christian is called SANCTIFICATION.... and it is a different thing than SALVATION.
That is how I see it.
If I thought I had ANYTHING to do with the state of my salvation... I would NOT be a CHRISTIAN ,.... FULL stop. That is just me and I do not mean any disrespect to GOD's HOLINESS.
Anyways..... I think I have truly said all I can say about this... NOT my favourite topic.... HA.
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Think easiest way to view this issue is Free Grace side reflects how to get Justified/dsaved, while Lordship reflects sanctification and maturity
This makes as much sense as arguing whether gravity is a blessing that holds us firmly to the ground or a curse that enables us to fall off cliffs.
Hello LearningToLetGo;
I hear your point and yes to your first question. Please read my post to this subject. It can be debatable but there is a prayerful approach. The key emphasis is spiritual, disciplined balance, arriving at all glory given to God.
God bless you, Jason.
Bob