You are right, Bob.
Grace is free and God expects us to attempt to "earn" it, within our own capabilities. It's like unemployment benefits - it's free for the asking but you still gotta look for a job.
Do you Hold to either a Free Grace or a Lordship Salvation view then?
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Grace is free and God expects us to attempt to "earn" it, within our own capabilities. It's like unemployment benefits - it's free for the asking but you still gotta look for a job.
I believe it's an on-going process.
I am saved, I'm being saved and I will be saved.
Justification. Sanctification. Enduring to the end.
I am thinking you are probably in the MAJORITY of thinking regarding this issue.
Without breaking any forum rules.... I don't know how much more this topic can be discussed or elaborated upon.
I do think the question in this topic is regarding HOW we see SALVATION and there does seem to be two camps of thought.
1. It's a free gift.... a one time... supernatural event/exchange which occurs at the time of our conversion ( when we
accept Jesus as our Lord ).
2. It must be earned by our good behaviour/ our works.
I do think the question in this topic is regarding HOW we see SALVATION and there does seem to be two camps of thought.
1. It's a free gift.... a one time... supernatural event/exchange which occurs at the time of our conversion ( when we
accept Jesus as our Lord ).
2. It must be earned by our good behaviour/ our works.
In my opinion this fall under the heading of Greek grammar (i.e. in regard to on-going process).
"For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God." (1 Cor. 1:18)
The above in Greek is a a Present middle participle (σῳζομένοις). The present tense in Greek normally refers to a continuing present action or state. It shows progressive action\state. Any first year grammar will confirm this information.
So... Are you stating that you believe SALVATION is an on-going PROCESS?
I see the on-going part... the living it out part as a totally separate thing. and I call that SANCTIFICATION which is indeed a life-long process.
My view of SALVATION is that it is an ACTUAL EVENT....that occurs ONE time in a believers life. The rest is GROWTH =SANCTIFICATION.
This is the part that seems to OFFEND so many believers.
This is AI generated from GOOGLE..... I asked.... Is Salvation a one time event? I thought this is pretty accurate for the DIFFERENT types of beliefs regarding SALVATION. I don't think this is breaking any rules.
Salvation is understood differently by various Christian denominations. Some view it as a one-time event, while others see it as a lifelong process. Many believe it's both: a one-time experience of grace through faith in Jesus Christ, followed by a continuous process of growth and sanctification.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
1. Salvation as a One-Time Event:
Salvation is understood differently by various Christian denominations. Some view it as a one-time event, while others see it as a lifelong process. Many believe it's both: a one-time experience of grace through faith in Jesus Christ, followed by a continuous process of growth and sanctification.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
1. Salvation as a One-Time Event:
- Initial Act of Faith:
Some interpret salvation as a singular moment where a person accepts Jesus Christ as their savior and receives forgiveness for their sins.
- Justification:
This initial moment is often seen as the point of justification, where a person is declared righteous in God's eyes.
- Eternal Security:
Some believe that once a person is saved, their salvation is secure and cannot be lost.
- Sanctification:
This perspective emphasizes that salvation involves a lifelong journey of spiritual growth, where a person becomes more like Christ.
- Cooperation with Grace:
It's believed that believers must actively cooperate with God's grace, striving to live a life pleasing to Him.
- Perseverance of the Saints:
This concept suggests that those truly saved will persevere in their faith until the end.
- Initial Conversion:
Most agree that salvation begins with a conversion experience, a moment of turning to Christ.
- Ongoing Transformation:
This is followed by a continuous process of growth and transformation as believers mature in their faith.
- Progressive Sanctification:
This view acknowledges that believers are not perfect the moment they are saved but are progressively being made holy through the work of the Holy Spirit.
I don't think it's either \ or but rather both \ and. Salvation is the gift of GOD through HIS Grace and Jesus is LORD over my life when I accept that gift. I don't work to be saved, I work because I am saved. His work in me is an ongoing process and will continue throughout my entire life. Jesus is LORD as I am nothing without HIM, Salvation does not exist without HIM, it is HIM that I am striving to become more like everyday. JESUS IS LORD AND BY GODS' GRACE I AM SAVED. Jesus is LORD and my Salvation, the two are not separated.
Think that we are saved/Justified very moment receive the Lord Jesus as our Savior, at that moment receive the Holy Spirit and deal into the Beloved for all eternity, but then we start the process of progressive sanctication, which ends finally once receive our glorified physical bodies
Fully agree, as it seems hat Free Grace focus is on Justification, "getting saved", while Lordshop focus is on progressive sanctification after having been saved
We are saved when Justified, and afterwards we are into the sanctification process, but there in deed groups that put us like like a "probationary salvation", as to them must merit it in the end before fully possessing eternal life, but that is totally against Pauline Justification
I guess I'm the ONLY weirdo that believes it's number #1. HA
Salvation is a process that consists of 3 sequential elements: justification, sanctification, and glorification.
Justification occurs at the moment we accept Christ and receive the Holy Spirit.
Sanctification is the ongoing process by which we become conformed to the image of Christ. This continues for all of our earthly existence.
Glorification is the ultimate end of salvation. This occurs when we are taken into the direct presence of God following our departure from this existence.
These elements can't be separated from the concept of salvation, nor can they each be viewed in isolation from each other because together they form a unified whole: realized salvation.
No, salvation/eternal life happens when Justified, but it does not end right there, as we are called and predestined to become more in the image of Lord Jesus
The usage of the Greek present verb points to that.
I understand.
There is a tendency to compartmentalize the three rather than looking at them as a whole.
I think that is what I have done. I'm not getting something here... Usually I am on the same page as most here... and I feel like I am out in left field. HAHA
I can accept this. I need to chew on it... but I can see that you are correct here.
Study Paul's teaching in Romans chapter 8. That's what helped me understand this point.
No, all of us are on the same road moving towards the goal and none of us have all the answers.