Can an ant fully grasp the mind of the Creator of all? Does anyone here have any idea on how God was created? What God's lifespan is? What I am saying is that 'inherent / limited omniscience' is where the evidence / scripture points.
Can you accept that a God knowing who will be in hell is evil for creating them for hell? Can you accept that if God cannot be surprised, free will is a joke? All I see is beating around the bush in the posts here. ""God is good'''....'''we have free will'' .... and somehow added to that ....God cannot be surprised o_O.
I agree with 'William lane Craig''. Omniscience vs free will subdivides into two questions:
1. If God foreknows the occurrence of some event E, does E happen necessarily?, and
2. If some event E is contingent, how can God foreknow E’s occurrence?
Most here seem to fall into 1. Suggesting foreknowing does not equal controlling outcome. But...how can any of you accept / judge that God is good without sounding mad?...when the stone cold truth of your belief is then that God foreknows a baby will be in hell. I am really so tired of all dodging this!
If God knows a baby will be in hell = evil Christian belief = evil God.
If God does not know baby will choose hell = good God = good Christian belief.
If we can prove that God's will is not always achieved and that God does change His mind, it proves He can be surprised.
God's will is not always achieved:
1 Tim 2:4 Who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth.
2 Pet 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
Gen 6:6 The LORD was grieved that He had made man on the earth, and His heart was filled with pain.
Psalm 37:23 The steps of a man are established by the Lord, when he delights in his way.
John 1:12-13 But to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God.
Ezekiel 18:30-32 Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, every one according to his ways, declares the Lord God. Repent and turn from all your transgressions, lest iniquity be your ruin. Cast away from you all the transgressions that you have committed, and make yourselves a new heart and a new spirit! Why will you die, O house of Israel? For I have no pleasure in the death of anyone, declares the Lord God; so turn, and live.
Prov 16:1 The plans of the heart belong to man, but the answer of the tongue is from the Lord.
James 1:13-16 Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am being tempted by God,” for God cannot be tempted with evil, and he himself tempts no one. But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death. Do not be deceived, my beloved brothers.
Rev 3:20 Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and eat with him, and he with me. (If it were you standing at the door, would you not be surprised if someone opened?).
Note: Our fate is clearly dependent on us. A logical person will then conclude that God is indeed surprised by our choices. Glad when we repent and sad when we don't.
God changes His mind:
Exodus 32:14 So the Lord changed His mind about the harm which He said He would do to His people.
Jonah 3:10 When God saw what they did and how they turned from their evil ways, He had compassion and did not bring upon them the destruction He had threatened.
Jer 15:6 You have rejected me," declares the LORD. "You keep on backsliding. So I will lay hands on you and destroy you; I can no longer show compassion''.
Ezekiel 24:14 'I the LORD have spoken. The time has come for me to act. I will not hold back; I will not have pity, nor will I relent. You will be judged according to your conduct and your actions, declares the Sovereign Lord.
Note: If God changes His mind = He adapts to new information = then God does not know all things.
God does not change:
Mal 3:6 'I the LORD do not change'.
Exod 3:14 'I am who I am'.
Heb 13:8 'Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever'.
Note: God is good. Him not changing who He is, does not mean He does not change His mind. Changing His mind makes Him good. It shows that He is constantly seeking a way to justify us / buy us extra time / have extra mercy. Like a kid you want to put in detention but then they simply just apologize so sincerely / do something selfless after every mistake that you just can't bring yourself to do it. The kids actions just surprise you.