Enlightenment

#22
How many stay as babies????? I do not know but IMO and from my experience, I would say that it is a huge amount. A lot of saints sit and listen to baby talk from the pulpit and that is a tragedy.

That is what Heb. 5:12 warns against...."Dull hearing".

Believers need to and should grow up and the only way to do that is by the Word of God.

1 Corth. 3:1-2..........
"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able".

1 Peter 2:1-2 confirms this as well........
"Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby".
Exactly.
 

Fish Catcher Jim

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Senior Moderator
#23
How many stay as babies????? I do not know but IMO and from my experience, I would say that it is a huge amount. A lot of saints sit and listen to baby talk from the pulpit and that is a tragedy.

That is what Heb. 5:12 warns against...."Dull hearing".

Believers need to and should grow up and the only way to do that is by the Word of God.

1 Corth. 3:1-2..........
"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able".

1 Peter 2:1-2 confirms this as well........
"Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby".

Hi Major,
It is not always what is being taught behind a pulpit as much as it is, how it was perceived. Too many times a pastor thinks it went well but in all truth you end up with so many views on what was said.

Another big reason we have believers that have walked for many many years with Christ and have not ever she'd their Spiritual Pampers is because believers Fail to apply His word to their lives.

Sunday Christians don't grow or produce much fruit.
However those who get a copy of what was taught Sunday and listen to it all week long over and over and seek God to show them and actually get into His word other then Sunday church day, well these people grow non stop and see results.

Easy to blame the church but really? Why not say it like it is.....People today refuse to take ownership or responsibility for their actions or learning to walk victoriously in Christ by Doing The Word.

Hearers only get no place fast But Those who hear and do actually grow and produce fruit.

Look at folks today.......repenting or asking forgiveness Includes a list of excuses which totally ruins a true repentance. Failure to own up.

Blessings Major
FCJ
 
#24
Hi Major,
It is not always what is being taught behind a pulpit as much as it is, how it was perceived. Too many times a pastor thinks it went well but in all truth you end up with so many views on what was said.

Another big reason we have believers that have walked for many many years with Christ and have not ever she'd their Spiritual Pampers is because believers Fail to apply His word to their lives.

Sunday Christians don't grow or produce much fruit.
However those who get a copy of what was taught Sunday and listen to it all week long over and over and seek God to show them and actually get into His word other then Sunday church day, well these people grow non stop and see results.

Easy to blame the church but really? Why not say it like it is.....People today refuse to take ownership or responsibility for their actions or learning to walk victoriously in Christ by Doing The Word.

Hearers only get no place fast But Those who hear and do actually grow and produce fruit.

Look at folks today.......repenting or asking forgiveness Includes a list of excuses which totally ruins a true repentance. Failure to own up.

Blessings Major
FCJ
The issue is that too many listen to theorists preach who they themselves have never experienced what they dismiss as secession regardless of what the word of God says. (yea... you're gonna need to read that again) :D
 

Fish Catcher Jim

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Senior Moderator
#25
The issue is that too many listen to theorists preach who they themselves have never experienced what they dismiss as secession regardless of what the word of God says. (yea... you're gonna need to read that again) :D
This was a mistake to read now. Ohhh I just got done with Sunday dinner and here you come with this. Ugg bro do you know how uncomfortable it is to laugh this hard with a very full belly?

Oh well it still says truth
Blessings brother
I am FCJ and I approve this message
 
#26
Hi Major,
It is not always what is being taught behind a pulpit as much as it is, how it was perceived. Too many times a pastor thinks it went well but in all truth you end up with so many views on what was said.

Another big reason we have believers that have walked for many many years with Christ and have not ever she'd their Spiritual Pampers is because believers Fail to apply His word to their lives.

Sunday Christians don't grow or produce much fruit.
However those who get a copy of what was taught Sunday and listen to it all week long over and over and seek God to show them and actually get into His word other then Sunday church day, well these people grow non stop and see results.

Easy to blame the church but really? Why not say it like it is.....People today refuse to take ownership or responsibility for their actions or learning to walk victoriously in Christ by Doing The Word.

Hearers only get no place fast But Those who hear and do actually grow and produce fruit.

Look at folks today.......repenting or asking forgiveness Includes a list of excuses which totally ruins a true repentance. Failure to own up.

Blessings Major
FCJ
You are preaching to the choir my brother.

IMO, preaching is important but Bible study is just as important. During a preaching service, it is a one way street from the pulpit to the pew. However in a Bible study group setting where everyone is encouraged to participate, the Holy Spirit will bring out all kinds of questions and situations which He knows will bless and benefit all who are there.
 
#27
How many stay as babies????? I do not know but IMO and from my experience, I would say that it is a huge amount. A lot of saints sit and listen to baby talk from the pulpit and that is a tragedy.

That is what Heb. 5:12 warns against...."Dull hearing".

Believers need to and should grow up and the only way to do that is by the Word of God.

1 Corth. 3:1-2..........
"And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ. I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able".

1 Peter 2:1-2 confirms this as well........
"Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby".
I agree with you.
Most Christians start "hot", cool quickly, then settle in for nothing.
 
#28
I agree with you.
Most Christians start "hot", cool quickly, then settle in for nothing.
Agreed my brother. It seems to me that when people reject the truth of God's Word, no matter how pointed or convicting it is to us individually, then anything that sounds good will be accepted.

That is the only reason I can think of that would drive believers to liberal churches when the Bible is never read openly or Jesus Christ is not the center of every single sermon.

The example I would use would be the people who lived in the days of Noah. They refuse to heed the warnings given by a man who preached the way of righteousness. They deliberately choose to remain in darkness. Noah had certainly preached to his contemporaries, but when the flood came “they knew not”. They knew all right; they had heard the message. But inasmuch as they did not want to know, their ears had been shut to Noah’s saving message.
 
Last edited:
#29
Enlightenment, regarding my need of a Saviour, and the way of salvation, came to me through hearing and believing God's Word, spoken by a Preacher.(Rom. 10:17; 1 Cor. 1:21)

Enlightenment is an ongoing process which we, who know Christ as our Saviour, experience as we feed on His Word. His Word being the sum total of God's revelation to us.

In Ephesians 1:18, enlightenment had been given to those to whom Paul wrote, yet Paul prayed that they should also receive 'the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him'. Of Whom? - 'The God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory.'

The eyes of their understand had been enlightened, yet they needed to know -

-
'what is the hope of His calling'
- 'what (is) the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints.'
- 'what is the exceeding greatness of His power to us-ward who believe.'
(Ephesians 1:17-23)

The spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of Him, is something that we need to pray for each of us to receive isn't it? For it is vital that we have it, if we would know Him, the hope of His calling, the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and the exceeding greatness of His power.

* Do you have any thoughts on this?

In Christ Jesus
Chris
Hi @Complete,

One of my favourite scriptures - to know the Lord more & more. I personally believe that Christ the Head of the Body, by His Holy Spirit is building & maturing the Body of believers. Some people get tricked & measure what the Lord is doing by numbers in organisational meetings, or looking at other`s lives, but I have a great confidence in our Lord that He will accomplish what He said.

All over the world believers are growing to maturity in Christ & coming to understand more of His purposes. These people are operating in their daily lives listening to the Holy Spirit & being guided by Him. We will never see all of them as they are `everyday` people & not `lording it over others` or on the news. But one day in glory, at the Bema seat of Christ, what God has done through them will be visible & acclaimed in public (Body of Christ) view.

regards, Marilyn.
 
#30
Simply....
The reason that you have 123,456 denominations all fighting about "strange doctrines", some worried about "gifts of the spirit", some worried about "mary", some worried about "the predestined elect", some worried about "hyper calvinism"........is because those believers are not rooted in "Grace".
Being rooted in Grace is a shield that protects you from heretics and from becoming one....and thats a fact.
A Person who understands the revelation of Romans 4:8, will never worry about going to hell, and will never teach a believer that they can "lose it".
So, for so many, .... its all about not being "solid " in their "soteriology", for if they were,....if they were grounded in this one main thing, then they would not be chasing others on forums like this one trying to convince them of all sorts of theological nonsense.


So, God is a God of a serious mind, with a heart of love.
Jesus is the Heart of God.
The Cross is not a pretty play-thing that works best as an earring or a tattoo.
God's Son dying in torment is exactly how serious God is about "Christianity", and so, He "calls" some, and these are those who understand that being a believer is more then just trying not to download porn again., or wishing you had not watched another "R" rated movie, or,...(worrying about) being chosen as Christian Forum Mod or a church worker so that you can pretend you are spiritual in front of the "church" by carrying the biggest Bible or the biggest "online spirituality".....ect.
No, God is after the St Francis, the Rich Mullens.......God is after those who dont need to always be "right", but rather they need to Love God with all their heart.
And when He finds those, God gives them more Light, ....but,... they must at first be grounded, deeply deeply deeply in that scripture you quoted that i posted and:

Philippians 1:6
Hebrews 12:2

And a few others..

The people that God will never use, are people who have gotten away from Grace and are chasing Hebrews, James, and Matthew, trying to broaden their self righteousness.
So, as i said on this forum somewhere...... all heretics live in Matthew, James, and Hebrews..
That is a FACT.
But thats another topic...


blessings,

<A><
I live in John,Romans, and Ephesians.
Is that acceptable?
 
#31
'Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ,
let us go on unto perfection; (or completeness)
not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,
and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms,
and of laying on of hands,
and of resurrection of the dead,
and of eternal judgment.
And this will we do,
if God permit.'

I did a study of Milk and Meat trying to understand what was being said. The items listed here that "We are to move past" seem to me to be very serious. So I came to the conclusion that "Milk" the the theory, the teaching we learn. The "MEAT" is get off the pew and DO IT!! I think the problem is we spend to much time with theory and FAIL TO GET THE JOB DONE. The work is not perfected, or complete until we are mature enough to DO WHAT GOD SAID.

Just my opilion.
 

Cturtle

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Senior Moderator
#32
'Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ,
let us go on unto perfection; (or completeness)
not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,
and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms,
and of laying on of hands,
and of resurrection of the dead,
and of eternal judgment.
And this will we do,
if God permit.'

I did a study of Milk and Meat trying to understand what was being said. The items listed here that "We are to move past" seem to me to be very serious. So I came to the conclusion that "Milk" the the theory, the teaching we learn. The "MEAT" is get off the pew and DO IT!! I think the problem is we spend to much time with theory and FAIL TO GET THE JOB DONE. The work is not perfected, or complete until we are mature enough to DO WHAT GOD SAID.

Just my opilion.

Greetings Steven,

Just a friendly reminder to please use the bold or color feature to highlight the words you want to stand out.

Some people feel it is yelling if they see all caps, so we here at cfs have been asking that all members refrain from doing so. (Rule 1.3)

Again you are not in any trouble....just a friendly reminder
Blessings
 
#33
'Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ,
let us go on unto perfection; (or completeness)
not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works,
and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms,
and of laying on of hands,
and of resurrection of the dead,
and of eternal judgment.
And this will we do,
if God permit.'

I did a study of Milk and Meat trying to understand what was being said. The items listed here that "We are to move past" seem to me to be very serious. So I came to the conclusion that "Milk" the the theory, the teaching we learn. The "MEAT" is get off the pew and DO IT!! I think the problem is we spend to much time with theory and FAIL TO GET THE JOB DONE. The work is not perfected, or complete until we are mature enough to DO WHAT GOD SAID.

Just my opilion.
Hello Steven Eubanks,

Thank you for sharing. :)

This verse marks an important moment in my life,'in Christ'. I sat, having listened to it being read, in a pew, among others, yet I might have been alone, for the word was speaking to my spirit.

I knew that I wanted to go on unto maturity in Christ, to leave babyhood behind, but the words, 'If God permit', felt almost like a physical restraint at that moment. I was very aware suddenly of being in His hands, and that He knew the way I was to take, but it was to be in His time.

It would lead to a walk with Him, a separated walk, and the loss of all things, yet the loss of nothing. Christ became all-in-all. I would gain assurance in the completeness of our position before God, in Christ, and learn to walk, in Him. Having no righteousness of my own, but the righteousness which is of God, by faith.

God's workmanship. Accepted in the Beloved. I follow on that I may know Him, the power of His resurrection, and all that Phil.3:10-12 says. In His time. The desire to do so is all - for the work of attainment is His. The goal already achieved - because His work is a finished work.

Praise God! - Praise His Holy Name!

I hope this makes sense.
In Christ Jesus
Chrs
 
Last edited:
#34
Greetings Steven,

Just a friendly reminder to please use the bold or color feature to highlight the words you want to stand out.

Some people feel it is yelling if they see all caps, so we here at cfs have been asking that all members refrain from doing so. (Rule 1.3)

Again you are not in any trouble....just a friendly reminder
Blessings
I hate to have to say this but There are times when we need to SHOUT YELL HOLLER to get sleeping Christians to hear the truth. The idea that I may have "Yelled" the truth dose not excuse not seeing the truth at all.

I will try to remember to use Color . But, I will not promise not to YELL at times.
 
#35
Hello Steven Eubanks,

Thank you for sharing. :)

This verse marks an important moment in my life,'in Christ'. I sat, having listened to it being read, in a pew, among others, yet I might have been alone, for the word was speaking to my spirit.

I knew that I wanted to go on unto maturity in Christ, to leave babyhood behind, but the words, 'If God permit', felt almost like a physical restraint at that moment. I was very aware suddenly of being in His hands, and that He knew the way I was to take, but it was to be in His time.

It would lead to a walk with Him, a separated walk, and the loss of all things, yet the loss of nothing. Christ became all-in-all. I would gain assurance in the completeness of our position before God, in Christ, and learn to walk, in Him. Having no righteousness of my own, but the righteousness which is of God, by faith.

God's workmanship. Accepted in the Beloved. I follow on that I may know Him, the power of His resurrection, and all that Phil.3:10-12 says. In His time. The desire to do so is all - for the work of attainment is His. The goal already achieved - because His work is a finished work.

Praise God! - Praise His Holy Name!

I hope this makes sense.
In Christ Jesus
Chrs
,,

YES, You did what I was saying you Got Up and did the work,
There is more to Christian living than knowing the theology. {Milk}
Christians must get up and do it, live it, tell the world about Jesus.{Meat}
 

Fish Catcher Jim

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Senior Moderator
#36
I hate to have to say this but There are times when we need to SHOUT YELL HOLLER to get sleeping Christians to hear the truth. The idea that I may have "Yelled" the truth dose not excuse not seeing the truth at all.

I will try to remember to use Color . But, I will not promise not to YELL at times.
Well then I can Not Promise that you won't get any points or a temporary time out. It's your choice.
Blessings
FCJ
 
#37
,,

YES, You did what I was saying you Got Up and did the work,
There is more to Christian living than knowing the theology. {Milk}
Christians must get up and do it, live it, tell the world about Jesus.{Meat}
Steven,

Have you heard of Thom Rainer? He says Christians are too comfortable at church;
they want to be served rather than to serve. Also, they are failing to "tell the world
about Jesus." This convicted me. So, I began to witness to people on the street and
at the yacht harbor. Thanks for the reminder!
 
#38
I hate to have to say this but There are times when we need to SHOUT YELL HOLLER to get sleeping Christians to hear the truth. The idea that I may have "Yelled" the truth dose not excuse not seeing the truth at all.

I will try to remember to use Color . But, I will not promise not to YELL at times.
I heard a story a few years ago about a new preacher coming to a church. He preached and preached his 1st sermon and everyone was blessed and excited.

Then on the 2nd Sunday he preached the same sermon. Everyone was kind of questioning themselves.

Then he did the same sermon the 3rd and 4th Sunday. It was then that the head deacon asked him why he was preaching the same sermon over and over and when did he think he would move on to something else.

He said....I am going to preach the same sermon until everyone understands it.

The word in the Scriptures from Paul is "preach". Preach means to "Proclaim". Personally, if I am at church and the preacher does not raise his voice I question his sincerity.
But that is just me. I like to have a preacher get excited when he preaches. To me it says that he actually believes what he is saying. But again, that is just my personal opinion.
 
#39
Steven,

Have you heard of Thom Rainer? He says Christians are too comfortable at church;
they want to be served rather than to serve. Also, they are failing to "tell the world
about Jesus." This convicted me. So, I began to witness to people on the street and
at the yacht harbor. Thanks for the reminder!
Amen my brother. The job of any preacher is to make his congregation "uncomfortable".