Free Masonry and Christianity Can Not Co-Exist

BibleLover said:
IMO the Masonic order is simply another fraternal organization like the Elks, the Moose, the Shriners, or Knights of Columbus. I see nothing particularly bellicose in these groups. However, I don't believe fraternal organization membership has a place in the life of a Christian; these groups do nothing to promote Christian growth or edification of the Body of Christ.
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Free Masonry very occultic though, and see themselves as holding to sacred knowledge, would be modern day Gnostics, as they teach that thru mason rites can obtain the celestial Lodge of the Grand Architect now
 
forgiven61 said:
i grew up around the masons my dad was a master mason . i certainly do not feel it was a cult for him... i know a bit about the mason in joining . i have no desire to join period the one my dad was in was more like what was described as a type fraternal organization. how ever there are some who make it their religion they feel it makes them a christian.. many of the old time masons i knew would tell you it does not make you a christian.. my mom was in the eastern star as well as my dad .

the higher up in degree you go in being a mason ..the more sketchy it gets i can say beyond a shadow of doubt my dad was saved... same as my mom . i have a preacher friend who lost a church over preaching against the masons . it turned into a fight a deacon allegedly cussed him, the preacher feels anyone being a mason goes to hell.

it is a secret org it does have special writings you are to learn. the inanition /ceremony . you go through in joining is to much for me . i have been told the AOG will not ordain anyone being a mason... i dont know for sure lots of baptist are masons in fact on both sides of my family are masons and eastern star .
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they hold to a god who has a secret occultic name
 
Major said:
You said........
" i dont know for sure lots of baptist are masons in fact on both sides of my family are masons and eastern star ."

I can say with total confidence that every single denomination, including independents, AOG and yes the Catholic have lots and lots of Masonic Lodge and Easter Star members in their congregations.

They (The Church) does not know because those Lodge members take an oath to never reveal their status.

I know these things because I was on a committee in The Florida Baptist Convention in the 90's (1993) that was purposed to bring this issue before the convention for discussion.

The study was submitted and reviewed by the Executive Council of the Home Mission Board, the Board of Director’s Administration Committee, and the Board of Directors for the Home Mission Board. It was then approved by the Board of Directors for the Home Mission Board and distributed by the Executive Committee of the Southern Baptist Convnetion.

Now, as Paul Harvy used to say.....The rest of the story is that The document itself after it was brought forward, discussed and argued was an atrocious mess of contradictions due to the additions and deletions placed in it by members of the Masonic Lodge in the FBC.

Here then is the final order that was presented on..........
"The document “commends” the Masonic Order (it uses that actual word) for its various practices that are charitable, including Shiner’s Hospitals, drug and alcohol awareness help, and its nursing homes. It also acknowledges that “many fine Southern Baptists” have been Masons, including prominent names like B.H. Carroll and George W. Truett. It then recognizes Masonic practices that are “compatible” with Christianity, including rites that mention “Jehovah,” a reference to Jesus in the Masonic rites of Alabama, or the Lodge cornerstone-laying ceremony that seems to reference a nebulous higher power that some might interpret as the Christian God. However, the report that “many tenets and teachings of Freemasonry are not compatible with Christianity or Southern Baptist doctrine,” and include blasphemous titles for their leaders, sacriligious titles for God (including calling God “Abaddon,” which is the name of a demon from the book of Revelation), beliefs that are “undeniably pagan” (their words), and sinister oaths.

Source: https://pulpitandpen.org/2018/04/25/southern-baptists-tainted-reports-freemasonry-1993-2000/

After that was said, it was then stated that membership in the Masonic Lodge is a personal matter left up to the individual.

Now I ask all who read this.......and please state the Bible Scripture to support your answer...
When did Occultic and pagan worship, become a matter of Christian conscience instead of obedience to the Word of God????
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The truth is that while Baptists and others hold them to be merely charity who serve a common good, they are very occultic based, and are religious, who deny Jesus as Lord, and who practice secret ceremonies and take vows, both disavowed by the Lord Jesus
 
crossnote said:
I wonder if they were born again, would they would remain in the Masons?
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yes i know lots born again men who are masons.. big question is it good to mix the 2? probably not just like other things .. we have those today born again feel its ok live in adultery' or drink alcohol yet they still make heaven there home
 
YeshuaFan said:
The truth is that while Baptists and others hold them to be merely charity who serve a common good, they are very occultic based, and are religious, who deny Jesus as Lord, and who practice secret ceremonies and take vows, both disavowed by the Lord Jesus
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And THAT is my point!

That being the case in which we agree.....how do you explain those who support them and make excuses for them without a call to confess and repent?
 
bobinfaith said:
Good morning, crossnote;

I'm curious. How are the Masons like the Baha'i faith? I don't know much about the latter only that they formed 200 years ago and many of the members shave the hair off their heads. 😶

God bless you.

Bob
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what i know about masons is fair amount but not a expert ... the baha,i faith first i heard of it.. masons only mention God in name many of them are so far from God its sad .. i simply dont have time for all the extra religious stuff...
 
Major said:
And THAT is my point!

That being the case in which we agree.....how do you explain those who support them and make excuses for them without a call to confess and repent?
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Very same crowd who state Allah of Islam is same as our Yahweh, and that the church of Rome is teaching just the same as we are concerning salvation
 
forgiven61 said:
what i know about masons is fair amount but not a expert ... the baha,i faith first i heard of it.. masons only mention God in name many of them are so far from God its sad .. i simply dont have time for all the extra religious stuff...
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They are alike in that both groups accept any religious viewpoint, just as long as one is not dogmatic that their God or book is the real one
 
forgiven61 said:
yes i know lots born again men who are masons.. big question is it good to mix the 2? probably not just like other things .. we have those today born again feel its ok live in adultery' or drink alcohol yet they still make heaven there home
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To truly be born again and to say "I am born again" may be two totally different things. The two definitely don't mix. Someone is not testing the spirits, or has no discernment...

1 John 4:1 ESV
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.
Even this simple statement...
John 14:6 ESV
Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

would reveal the error of the Masons.
 
bobinfaith said:
Good morning, crossnote;

I'm curious. How are the Masons like the Baha'i faith? I don't know much about the latter only that they formed 200 years ago and many of the members shave the hair off their heads. 😶

God bless you.

Bob
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According to YeshuaFan in post#21
Even worse than that would be that the Masons allow you to worship Jesus, Allah, Buddha whatever to you would be your God
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If so, the Bahai (according to Google AI) hold...

The Baháʼí Faith is a religion emphasizing the essential worth of all religions and the unity of humanity, founded by Baháʼu'lláh in the 19th century. Key tenets include the oneness of God and religion, progressive revelation of divine truth, equality of men and women, and the elimination of all forms of prejudice. Baháʼís work to build peaceful, just, and unified communities and believe that the Earth is one country and its people are its citizens.
Core Beliefs
  • Oneness of God: God is seen as the unsearchable essence behind all creation.

  • Oneness of Religion: The major world religions come from the same divine source, with Baháʼu'lláh being the latest messenger, inaugurating an age of unity.

    • Oneness of Humanity: Humanity is viewed as one family, and all prejudices like racism, nationalism, and sexism are rejected.
    • Progressive Revelation: God has sent a series of divine educators (Manifestations of God) throughout history, including figures like Abraham, Moses, Buddha, and Jesus, to guide human civilization.
    • Harmony of Science and Religion: Baháʼís believe that spiritual truth and science are compatible.
    • Key Practices and Goals
        • Building communities:
          .
          Baháʼís focus on forming diverse relationships and building communities that foster well-being for all.
        • Service to humanity:
          .
          A core aspect of the faith is to serve humanity and work for universal peace and brotherhood.
        • Spiritual and moral development:
          .
          Baháʼís strive to develop their spiritual qualities and live in accordance with justice and unity.
            • Origin:
              The Baháʼí Faith emerged in Iran in the mid-19th century from a Shi'a Islamic tradition.
            • Founder:
              Baháʼu'lláh (meaning "Glory of God") is the founder of the Baháʼí Faith, which began as an Islamic movement.
            • Global spread:
              The faith has grown rapidly and is now considered one of the world's youngest major religions, with millions of adherents in nearly every country and territory.
            • Persecution:
              Despite its global presence, Baháʼís face ongoing persecution in their historical homeland of Iran and other parts of the world.
        • Historical Context
          • Origin:
            The Baháʼí Faith emerged in Iran in the mid-19th century from a Shi'a Islamic tradition.
        • Founder:
          Baháʼu'lláh (meaning "Glory of God") is the founder of the Baháʼí Faith, which began as an Islamic movement.

          • Global spread:
            The faith has grown rapidly and is now considered one of the world's youngest major religions, with millions of adherents in nearly every country and territory.
        • Persecution:
          Despite its global presence, Baháʼís face ongoing persecution in their historical homeland of Iran and other parts of the world.
 
Also...

Core beliefs
Central to Baháʼí teachings are three core principles:
  • The Oneness of God: There is a single, all-powerful God who is the creator of the universe.
  • The Oneness of Humanity: All people are equal, and humanity is one single family, transcending all divisions of race, nation, gender, and class.
  • The Oneness of Religion: All major world religions are part of a single, progressive divine plan. Baháʼís believe that God has revealed his will through a series of divine messengers, including Abraham, Krishna, Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, and Muhammad.

Key principles
The Baháʼí Faith also promotes a set of social principles for building a peaceful global society:
  • Independent investigation of truth: Each individual has the responsibility to seek out the truth for themselves.
  • Elimination of all prejudice: This includes racial, religious, national, and gender-based prejudices.
  • Equality of women and men: The sexes are equal, and humanity is compared to a bird with two wings; both must be strong for the bird to fly.
  • Harmony of science and religion: The two are seen as complementary and not contradictory.
  • Universal education: Education should be available to everyone.
  • A universal auxiliary language: The world's peoples should be able to communicate with one another.
  • The abolition of extremes of wealth and poverty.
  • Establishment of a world tribunal to settle disputes between nations.

History and figures
The Baháʼí Faith originated in 19th-century Iran, emerging from the Bábí movement.
  • The Báb (1819–1850): The forerunner of the Faith who declared himself a new messenger of God in 1844. He was executed in 1850 for his beliefs.
  • Baháʼu'lláh (1817–1892): A follower of the Báb who proclaimed himself the messianic figure, or "He whom God shall make manifest," prophesied by the Báb. His writings are considered the central scripture of the Baháʼí Faith.
  • ‘Abdu’l-Bahá (1844–1921): The son of Baháʼu'lláh and his appointed successor, who was authorized to interpret his father's teachings.

Worship and organization
  • Worship: There is no clergy in the Baháʼí Faith. Worship takes place in meetinghouses or in Baháʼí Houses of Worship, which are open to people of all religions.
  • Governance: The Baháʼí Faith is administered by democratically elected councils. At the international level, the Universal House of Justice, composed of nine members elected every five years, is the ultimate authority.
 
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