Growing As Brothers

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I see the relationship between the Lord and us as growing, as starting the moment we accept him. As a father does a son. Even Moses continued to have a relationship with God after mistakes he did, God smoke to him "face to face" as one does a friend as the bible puts it. And the way they were forgiven were through sacrifices, Jesus was our sacrifice and as such as long as we are repentful with a "broken spirit and a contrite heart" (Psalm 51:17) then we are forgiven.

As for free will in the bible... I understand it as this...
We are pretty much on the same page. And since God knows the outcome, and God presents the choices in your life to make, by the choices you face, directs your life. He who controls the choices, controls the outcome. You may choose, knife or gun, how do you wish to die.

ME>>>>"And to my perception, like the rich young ruler, you are trying to do too much yourself. You are trying to force maturity, rather than allow God to do His job.
I don't mean that critically, just sayin'. Scripture says it's his spirit that will keep you from sinning, gal 5:16, not you carrying your cross. And it also says HIS SEED keeps you from sinning 1 john 3:9. It's not about man's accomplishment. That's why its so daunting, man wants to be in control, but it's about giving up control. Blessed are the poor in spirit. Rich young ruler had a mighty and successful spirit, Christ asked him to kill it and take a dependent, needy, slave like, servant like submissive spirit that depended on Christ for all."

On what I just quoted from you, I think you are right, I am trying to force maturity instead of letting him take total control. Thank you for these words.
That was observational, not judgemental. It was my view not an accusation of how wrong you are.
 
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We are pretty much on the same page. And since God knows the outcome, and God presents the choices in your life to make, by the choices you face, directs your life. He who controls the choices, controls the outcome. You may choose, knife or gun, how do you wish to die.



That was observational, not judgemental. It was my view not an accusation of how wrong you are.
I know you didn't mean any judgement, however, I think it's correct, to let God take control completely instead of me intending him to but me still holding on to some control.
 
I know you didn't mean any judgement, however, I think it's correct, to let God take control completely instead of me intending him to but me still holding on to some control.
Sounds right to me.

In romans 6 paul is describing the battle we must do. And we do the battle, through the battle is how HE takes control.

We battle that force in romans 7, which Paul said he wasn't in any longer in vs 5.
If we are in the flesh we will be facing the struggles as Paul describes later.

The solutionis romans 8, if the spirit indwells I'm not in the flesh. It's the Spirit's accomplishments.

In Phil 3 Paul discusses he's not aware of any sins and doesn't care, he focuses on the race before him.

That race is love like God does.

So, focus on the love, not the sin. run to God not away from sin.
 
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Sounds right to me.

In romans 6 paul is describing the battle we must do. And we do the battle, through the battle is how HE takes control.

We battle that force in romans 7, which Paul said he wasn't in any longer in vs 5.
If we are in the flesh we will be facing the struggles as Paul describes later.

The solutionis romans 8, if the spirit indwells I'm not in the flesh. It's the Spirit's accomplishments.

In Phil 3 Paul discusses he's not aware of any sins and doesn't care, he focuses on the race before him.

That race is love like God does.

So, focus on the love, not the sin. run to God not away from sin.
Amen to that. Still think we have an ongoing relationship with the LORD. ;)

On a serious note it was a blessing discussing this with you and if there is anything else you feel like discussing please say so, if not then I'll see you around and kindly ask a mod to close this topic down.
 
D,

We can talk about anything at any time. Even though we didn't agree on parts, both big and small, we managed to work our way through, find common ground, identify where we differ, and understand each other.

AMAZING! :p

Any time brother.


Amen to that. Still think we have an ongoing relationship with the LORD. ;)

On a serious note it was a blessing discussing this with you and if there is anything else you feel like discussing please say so, if not then I'll see you around and kindly ask a mod to close this topic down.
 
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