Have you heard of the JS translation? Probably not.

Origen

Origen

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Origen said:
The JS is Joseph Smith the founder of Mormonism. Most people have never heard of it. Smith not only translated the book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, but also the Old and New Testaments.

Check out the beginning the Old Testament (i.e. Genesis). Something seems off.

And I bet you did not know this about the Song of Solomon.
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Fits into Mormon view of the Bible, as they hold to just Kjv being real word of God, "as long as it was translated correctly", and they hold to Smith revision making it now correctly translated
Just lip servcie, as they value their other 3 books higher then the bible
 
Origen said:
The JS is Joseph Smith the founder of Mormonism. Most people have never heard of it. Smith not only translated the book of Mormon, the Book of Abraham, but also the Old and New Testaments.

Check out the beginning the Old Testament (i.e. Genesis). Something seems off.

And I bet you did not know this about the Song of Solomon.
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That would be the JST would it not?

"And I bet you did not know this about the Song of Solomon."

You would lose that bet!
 
I have no problem with writing your own gospel, channeled or what not, provided you clearly say that's what it is. However, that's not a "translation". To call what JS wrote a translation is, quite frankly, a lie. (I am speaking of the PDF's use of translation, not the OP)
 
LearningToLetGo said:
I have no problem with writing your own gospel, channeled or what not, provided you clearly say that's what it is. However, that's not a "translation". To call what JS wrote a translation is, quite frankly, a lie. (I am speaking of the PDF's use of translation, not the OP)
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You could write a sitcom around Smith's account of finding the plates and translating the non-existent language of Reformed Egyptian using the Urim and Thumin from the Jewish high priest's chest decoration. That boy had heard just enough religion during the Second Great Awakening to make a grandiose fool of himself.
 
BibleLover said:
You could write a sitcom around Smith's account of finding the plates and translating the non-existent language of Reformed Egyptian using the Urim and Thumin from the Jewish high priest's chest decoration. That boy had heard just enough religion during the Second Great Awakening to make a grandiose fool of himself.
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Same "angel" that appeared to Muhammed probably appeared to Smith, very one who spoke to Adam and Eve in the garden
 
BibleLover said:
That boy had heard just enough religion during the Second Great Awakening to make a grandiose fool of himself.
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It has always been my opinion that Smith never believed his own myths. It was about ego, power, and having access more than one woman. He even married some who was already married to other members. Power and sex go hand in hand for these types of people .
 
Origen said:
It has always been my opinion that Smith never believed his own myths. It was about ego, power, and having access more than one woman. He even married some who was already married to other members. Power and sex go hand in hand for these types of people .
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Very common trait among false prophets, sex and money, and Joseph Smith was big into womanizing, but the false prophet of Isalm Muhammed males him, look like a high morals boy scout in regards to being a sexua lpred and pervert
 
According to https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/seer-stones?lang=eng

When Joseph Smith received the golden plates in 1827, he also received a translation instrument with them, “two stones in silver bows” used by “‘seers’ in ancient or former times” (Joseph Smith—History 1:35). This instrument was referred to in the Book of Mormon as the “interpreters.” During the translation of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith apparently used both of these instruments—the interpreters and his seer stone—interchangeably. They worked in much the same way, and the early Saints sometimes used the term “Urim and Thummim” to refer to the seer stone as well as the interpreters. The Prophet also received several of the revelations found today in the Doctrine and Covenants by means of these instruments of revelation.3 As Joseph became more experienced in spiritual matters, he eventually started receiving revelation without these aids.4
 
Dave F. said:
According to https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/seer-stones?lang=eng

When Joseph Smith received the golden plates in 1827, he also received a translation instrument with them, “two stones in silver bows” used by “‘seers’ in ancient or former times” (Joseph Smith—History 1:35). This instrument was referred to in the Book of Mormon as the “interpreters.” During the translation of the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith apparently used both of these instruments—the interpreters and his seer stone—interchangeably. They worked in much the same way, and the early Saints sometimes used the term “Urim and Thummim” to refer to the seer stone as well as the interpreters. The Prophet also received several of the revelations found today in the Doctrine and Covenants by means of these instruments of revelation.3 As Joseph became more experienced in spiritual matters, he eventually started receiving revelation without these aids.4
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Seems that Joseph there had way too much of pizza, remember the old saying that people claiming visions just ate to much hot pizza?
 
BibleLover said:
You could write a sitcom around Smith's account of finding the plates and translating the non-existent language of Reformed Egyptian using the Urim and Thumin from the Jewish high priest's chest decoration. That boy had heard just enough religion during the Second Great Awakening to make a grandiose fool of himself.
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Speaking of the gold plate, According to Robert N. Hullinger, the eight witnesses.............

“claimed no revelation. No “voice” declared to them that the “work is true.” No “power of God” showed them the plates—just Joseph Smith. No “angel of God” laid the plates before them; no “voice of the Lord” told them to testify of what they saw… However, the eight did claim revelation in their conversations with others. When David Marks stopped at the Whitmers on March 1830, the eight witnesses “affirmed, that an angel had showed them certain plates of metal, having the appearance of gold that were dug out of the ground by one Joseph Smith.” They explained to Mark’s certain basic points about the Book of Mormon and its contents but claimed to have viewed the plates in vision only” .

Source....Hullinger, R. 1992. Joseph Smith’s Response to Skepticism. p. 133.

So what that literally means is that NO ONE verified what Mr. Smith claimed to have seen and done.
 
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