Seems you have stated that before in a different way.
I'll testify that all believers in the Lord Jesus Christ has been given grace as well as being given the promise of the indwelling Holy Spirit. That does not mean that the Holy Spirit is grace. God can give us grace and the Holy Spirit.
And this is where I cut the topic short with these verses.
Matthew 9:17 Neither do men put new wine into old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles, and both are preserved.
1 Corinthians 6:19 What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own? 20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
Colossians 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory: 28 Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:
Ephesians 1:17 That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him: 18The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints, 19And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power, 20 Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places, 21 Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come: 22 And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church, 23 Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.
Colossians 2:5 For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7 Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ. 9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
Those that preach another Holy Spirit to receive or to receive more of Him are denying the truth above in His words.
It is also denying the promise for coming to and believing in Jesus Christ which is the result of our salvation that we are filled, and thus no longer hungering nor thirsting to be filled.
John 6:35 And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.
Enow, you have now stuck your foot in your mouth...
You said: God can give us grace and the Holy Spirit.
I can give you a hundred pages of scripture that prove you wrong there...and I will later on in this post, just so we can clear that up. Having said that...
You quoted John 6: 35 as proof that we are filled right away..So explain these verses to me.
1Pe 2:2 As newborn babes, desire the sincere milk of the word, that ye may grow thereby:
1Pe 2:3 If so be ye have tasted that the Lord is gracious.
So clearly we will still be hungry as newborns...which is confirmed in Corinthians:
1Co 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1Co 3:2 I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
1Co 3:3 For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?
So this group is not born again yet...and in John 6 : 27 we are told to labor for the meat that doesn't perish.but for that which lasts forever.
Joh 6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.
So my question for you is...what did the scriptures you use have to do with being filled with the Holy Spirit. The answer...They don't.
You used them completely out of context my friend. Most of the scriptures you used apply to the process of being born again by the word of God. We must do that first in order to receive the kingdom of Grace in our hearts...which is the Holy Spirit. Even then, we are to grow in this grace. It is like growing a plant...you start with a seed and water it. God giveth the increase...It isn't an instantaneous process.( believe me, if it were, no one would have just 'tasted the heavenly gift',and fallen away... they would have been filled. Not only that, here are some more things for you to ponder.We only receive the 'earnest of our inheritance until He returns:
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
2Co 5:5 Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.
Earnest means deposit in the Greek
. Remember, the riches of His grace are unsearchable...
Eph 3:8 Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the
unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph 1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according
to the riches of his grace;
Now, here is just a tidbit of proof on the Holy Spirit and Grace being one and the same. Pay attention and carefully compare all the underlined parts:
Joh 1:17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
Joh 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
It is also called being quickened:
Eph 2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us
together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved
John confirms that we are quickened by the Spirit:
Joh 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.
Grace- the Holy Spirit is the kingdom of Heaven:
Mat 4:17 From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Act 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
1Pe 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.
1Pe 1:10 Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you:
Grace is our strength because it is the power of Christ:
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
2Ti 2:1 Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.
Php 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.
Eph 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with mightby his Spiritin the inner man;
Grace is our comforter, established in our hearts
Heb 13:9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
In Romans, Paul tells them that He wishes to leave them a ‘spiritual gift’ that will “establish” them and they will be ‘comforted’ by the same faith:
Rom 1:11 For I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established;
Rom 1:12 That is, that I may be comforted together with you by the mutual faith both of you and me.
This comforter..is the Holy Ghost
Act 9:31 Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied.
2Co 1:3 Blessed be God, even the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies, and the God of all comfort;
2Co 1:4 Who comforteth us in all our tribulation, that we may be able to comfort them which are in any trouble, by the comfort wherewith we ourselves are comforted of God.
Lam 1:16 For these things I weep; mine eye, mine eye runneth down with water, because the comforter that should relieve my soul is far from me: my children are desolate, because the enemy prevailed.
2Th 2:16 Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
2Th 2:17 Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.
Rom 5:5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
1Th 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
Luk 17:20 And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
Luk 17:21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.
Heb 12:28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:
Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
2Co 1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.
That is why Grace has a throne:
Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
Because the Holy Spirit is how we call Him Lord:
1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
And we have different gifts of the Spirit:
1Co 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
1Pe 4:10 As every man hath received the gift, even so minister the same one to another,
as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.
Manifold means differing in case you are wondering...
I can give you a hundred more comparisons that Grace and the Holy Spirit are interchangeable, but why do that when it is even called the Spirit of Grace in Hebrews:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
And in Zechariah:
Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
Grace is a comforter a teacher, a healer, a helper in times of need, a witness for us at that day, a promise in our hearts and much much more. We don't need both to get in, because the Holy Spirit we are born into is the same grace we are saved by.
That is why Grace is sufficient:
2Co 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Enow, I am sure you mean well, but we are not supposed to ask questions that gender strife...So lets maybe stick with some things easier to understand and more edifying to those who may read our posts.
God Bless and may true Grace be upon your heart...
T/C
