How do you view Oneness Pentecostals then?
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i doubt this goes very far my only comments is i dont agree with them i see a lot of emotions
Why are we singling out specific groups? I don't like where this is heading.
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Oneness theology is revived Modalism. Modalism is an ancient heresy that claims God isn't a trinity, but instead, operates in three different modes. That is, the Father left heaven to become the Son who, after the resurrection became the Holy Spirit. In view of that, Oneness Modalists were decided by the Church to not be members of the body of Christ.
Not Christians.
I encourage everyone to read 2 Timothy 2 and to particularly meditate on v. 14-19.
Edit: Unless someone doesn't have access to information and this oneness theology is the only "gospel" they've heard... may God have mercy.
However, those of us who do have access to informational resources let's us continue to study and show ourselves approved; working out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
I encourage everyone to read 2 Timothy 2 and to particularly meditate on v. 14-19.
Edit: Unless someone doesn't have access to information and this oneness theology is the only "gospel" they've heard... may God have mercy.
However, those of us who do have access to informational resources let's us continue to study and show ourselves approved; working out our own salvation with fear and trembling.
Their view would be basically be then unitarian?
Without getting into the JUDGEMENT part of this issue..... Above I have the image of an EGG.
This is an EGG.... and this egg has a purpose. It is defined and USED for the purpose it is meant.
If we start replacing the egg with other things and STILL calling it an EGG.... well.... folks... say goodbye to your favorite muffins.
It's very simple.... CHRISTIANITY... just like every other thing is DEFINED by certain TRAITS. PROPER CLARIFICATION is IMPORTANT. Christianity is PURE.... when perverted with other things... it becomes UN-PURE.
I have heard people call themselves Christians and they don't believe JESUS is GOD.
I have heard people call themselves Christians and they believe in REINCARNATION.
I have heard people call themselves Christians and they don't believe that GOD is TRIUNE.
If these people want to identify as CHRISTIANS.... we cannot stop them... however... for the SAKE of PROPER definition.... Major had a post that talked about CRUCIAL CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE. I believe those things are NON-NEGOTIABLE.
WE need to set boundaries and we have the RIGHT to have PROPER DEFINITION of things.
I for one... appreciate HOW HARD the staff work to ensure that we are promoting TRUTH.
This is NOT about hurting others' feelings. It's not even about judging... it's about protecting the FLOCK.
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No, there is a significant difference between the two. Oneness views all three members of the trinity as divine, albeit not as distinct persons but as three different modes or faces of one God rather than as a trinity. Unitarianism assigns divinity only to the Father, viewing Jesus as not divine and the Holy Spirit not as a person but as a divine force. Unitarianism not only denies the trinity but also denies that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit as not only not God but also not even a person.
I like your style.Without getting into the JUDGEMENT part of this issue..... Above I have the image of an EGG.
This is an EGG.... and this egg has a purpose. It is defined and USED for the purpose it is meant.
If we start replacing the egg with other things and STILL calling it an EGG.... well.... folks... say goodbye to your favorite muffins.
Good morning, YeshuaFan, LearningToLetGo and cocoa;
Most of us go back years and it's ok to have this discussion keeping in mind the Friendly Christian Forum. This can lead to productive constructiveness, meaning we learn more about people who truly love the Lord, those who love the Lord but may be misguided, or those who pretend to love the Lord with ulterior motives. I feel the members in this forum have seen it all in our zeal for the Lord.
I consider LearningToLetGo as a Corinthian, which is a good thing. He loves the Lord and remains inquisitive, especially many parts of the Bible that leave him sharing philosophical quotes (new quotes that I learn.) Does this mean I stay away from him? NO! Because I know our brother believes in Him but exercises his right to ask questions. I respond to him keeping in mind 2 Timothy 2:14-19. How he receives or reacts is up to him. But I also trust Jason won't throw darts or arrows back at me but simply make his comment, then take a step back. This kind of disposition is one that I want to emulate.
Why do we have to single out specific groups? Jesus knew very well the "groups," especially the Pharisees, Sadducees, etc...regardless Jesus loved on them as a whole without categorizing them.
Which brings us to the mix of Oneness, Pentecostals, Charismatics, whatever, in my circle and community of friends and acquaintances. When I talk with them, they are just men and women.
We attended a few Pentecostal services. I've witnessed Pentecostals who spoke in "spiritual tongues and got fidgety" during service. At the end they exclaimed that they had "such a wonderful experience with the Holy Spirit!" A week later I'll remind them and they totally forgot about it and went on with their lives. This is not what the Scriptures teaches regarding Spiritual tongues reference Acts 2:4, 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. I'll share the Gospel to them and if they stick to what they believe and will continue to do, I get out of God's way and let them go.
One family believes in "name it and claim it", another believe that all Christians have the prophecy of healing. One very close friend of 30 years claimed himself healed from type II diabetes and stopped taking insulin, pills and ate whatever he wanted. 4 years later he died because of neglect of organ failure from diabetes. Another family accumulated new cars, a home, and lots of goodies, in the name of Jesus, only to file bankruptcy.
Many Oneness Pentecostal Churches are Oneness / Unitarian, others are Trinitarian. Their doctrinal foundation leaves a lot of questions while remaining set in stone. So, how do we continue to coexist with our brothers and sisters who go to this Church but don't even realize which doctrine?
How about overall Protestantism and Catholicism, where most believe and worship the Trinity? We all have some knowledge of each other's denomination and can easily point them out. But are we taking the time in prayer, and how God can guide each one of us to love on each other?
I don't have the solution, but we can start by accepting in God's unconditional love for each of us and our desire to love one another, continuously. God's Love does break down the walls of indifference and God's guidance can bring us in one accord, in His time.
God bless you.
Bob
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name it claim it is not a correct belief... you dont proclaim your self healed and stop all medical care .. with out test results showing.. God gave the medical personel the knowledge .. Jesus is the great physician all healing comes from him..but imo can be channelled through medicine .. diabetes is not to be played with. as per sudden wealth i heard a money preacher on the radio station say if he wanted a new car . all he had to do is lay hands on it claim it...
the Bible says we have a unction that we may know all things.. we have so much fantasy world teaching . we should proceed with caution . i am very picky on my ones i listen to for extra feeding.
when a man will proclaim God going take him home.. if he dont get xx amount of $$ . and a dog track racer where they gamble on Dogs .. provides the money ..i know a church who took money from a alcohol distributing business owner. if not mistaken he was a member .. red flags
Hey forgiven;
I get you and agree with your whole post. God equips us with wisdom, knowledge and instruction. Others despise wisdom and instruction - reading the Bible, labeling Scriptures in accordance with following their own rules, is folly.
So when a group decides to follow their "own" doctrine only increases with ramifications for the future.
God bless you, Jerry.
Bob
Do you get me??????? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I know what I'll be reading tonight
Of course I get you, In Awe of Him. I don't feel you enjoy these kinds of conversations because it may hinder the Love. But you still "dip your toe in the water." At times we have to dip in, bringing God the glory, not by our own penmanship or how smart we are. With that said, keep writing!
By the way, did you know that when Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, nowhere in the poem does it say he was an egg?
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Did you know that Humpty Dumpty was written as a reference to the Roman Empire and the fall of Rome?Of course I get you, In Awe of Him. I don't feel you enjoy these kinds of conversations because it may hinder the Love. But you still "dip your toe in the water." At times we have to dip in, bringing God the glory, not by our own penmanship or how smart we are. With that said, keep writing!
By the way, did you know that when Humpty Dumpty had a great fall, nowhere in the poem does it say he was an egg?
it could be the united states if our government dont wake up
YEP.... You get me.
When I read HEAVY and sometimes simply CIRCULAR arguments... I can feel myself getting anxious and literally EXHAUSTED.
On the other hand.... I remember listening to the apologist Ravi Zacharias.... I could have listened to that man ALL day long. I was
heart-broken on a level that I can't even EXPRESS when his legacy became RUINED with SCANDAL.
I know that I DON"T understand MANY things about CHRISTIANITY and I also know that I purposely KEEP things SIMPLE... and that is because there are so MANY misunderstandings about almost EVERYTHING within the realm of Christian circles. BAD DOCTRINE seems to be the NORM in CHRISTIANITY TODAY.
THIS is WHY I stick to the ATTRIBUTES of GOD. This is WHY I spend as much time as I can simply PRAISING and WORSHIPPING GOD for WHO HE IS...... those things are NOT DEBATABLE. GOD's nature and the I AM's fill my soul to overflowing with PEACE and JOY.
Absolutely correct and in fact Modalism was condemned as heretical as early as the second century A.D.
In addition to those facts.....Oneness Pentecostalism teaches that baptism is a required act of salvation, also that the "sign gifts" given to the Apostles are still active today.