How do you view Oneness Pentecostals then?

In Awe of Him said:
YEP.... You get me. :D

When I read HEAVY and sometimes simply CIRCULAR arguments... I can feel myself getting anxious and literally EXHAUSTED.
On the other hand.... I remember listening to the apologist Ravi Zacharias.... I could have listened to that man ALL day long. I was
heart-broken on a level that I can't even EXPRESS when his legacy became RUINED with SCANDAL.

I know that I DON"T understand MANY things about CHRISTIANITY and I also know that I purposely KEEP things SIMPLE... and that is because there are so MANY misunderstandings about almost EVERYTHING within the realm of Christian circles. BAD DOCTRINE seems to be the NORM in CHRISTIANITY TODAY.

THIS is WHY I stick to the ATTRIBUTES of GOD. This is WHY I spend as much time as I can simply PRAISING and WORSHIPPING GOD for WHO HE IS...... those things are NOT DEBATABLE. GOD's nature and the I AM's fill my soul to overflowing with PEACE and JOY.
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You are OK sister! Most of us feel the very same way so dont be distressed. BAD Doctrine is now seen in all phases of Christianity. Its roots are in "Liberalism". Liberalism means.........maybe God said that and maybe He didnt!

Remember and You have seen it right here in front of you that there are many well versed Bible students here who stick to what God has said. You have also seen that there are those who come and with them bring an "Agenda".

An "Agenda" always, without fail, requires a manipulation of Bible doctrine to fit a specific personal bias or agenda.
 
BibleLover said:
No, there is a significant difference between the two. Oneness views all three members of the trinity as divine, albeit not as distinct persons but as three different modes or faces of one God rather than as a trinity. Unitarianism assigns divinity only to the Father, viewing Jesus as not divine and the Holy Spirit not as a person but as a divine force. Unitarianism not only denies the trinity but also denies that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit as not only not God but also not even a person.
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So oneness would see one God who manifests Himself as 3 different Persons in history, but still really same God, not 3 separate and distinct persons as in the Trinity?
 
bobinfaith said:
Good morning, YeshuaFan, LearningToLetGo and cocoa;

Most of us go back years and it's ok to have this discussion keeping in mind the Friendly Christian Forum. This can lead to productive constructiveness, meaning we learn more about people who truly love the Lord, those who love the Lord but may be misguided, or those who pretend to love the Lord with ulterior motives. I feel the members in this forum have seen it all in our zeal for the Lord.

I consider LearningToLetGo as a Corinthian, which is a good thing. He loves the Lord and remains inquisitive, especially many parts of the Bible that leave him sharing philosophical quotes (new quotes that I learn.) Does this mean I stay away from him? NO! Because I know our brother believes in Him but exercises his right to ask questions. I respond to him keeping in mind 2 Timothy 2:14-19. How he receives or reacts is up to him. But I also trust Jason won't throw darts or arrows back at me but simply make his comment, then take a step back. This kind of disposition is one that I want to emulate.

Why do we have to single out specific groups? Jesus knew very well the "groups," especially the Pharisees, Sadducees, etc...regardless Jesus loved on them as a whole without categorizing them.

Which brings us to the mix of Oneness, Pentecostals, Charismatics, whatever, in my circle and community of friends and acquaintances. When I talk with them, they are just men and women.

We attended a few Pentecostal services. I've witnessed Pentecostals who spoke in "spiritual tongues and got fidgety" during service. At the end they exclaimed that they had "such a wonderful experience with the Holy Spirit!" A week later I'll remind them and they totally forgot about it and went on with their lives. This is not what the Scriptures teaches regarding Spiritual tongues reference Acts 2:4, 1 Corinthians 12 and 14. I'll share the Gospel to them and if they stick to what they believe and will continue to do, I get out of God's way and let them go.

One family believes in "name it and claim it", another believe that all Christians have the prophecy of healing. One very close friend of 30 years claimed himself healed from type II diabetes and stopped taking insulin, pills and ate whatever he wanted. 4 years later he died because of neglect of organ failure from diabetes. Another family accumulated new cars, a home, and lots of goodies, in the name of Jesus, only to file bankruptcy.

Many Oneness Pentecostal Churches are Oneness / Unitarian, others are Trinitarian. Their doctrinal foundation leaves a lot of questions while remaining set in stone. So, how do we continue to coexist with our brothers and sisters who go to this Church but don't even realize which doctrine?

How about overall Protestantism and Catholicism, where most believe and worship the Trinity? We all have some knowledge of each other's denomination and can easily point them out. But are we taking the time in prayer, and how God can guide each one of us to love on each other?

I don't have the solution, but we can start by accepting in God's unconditional love for each of us and our desire to love one another, continuously. God's Love does break down the walls of indifference and God's guidance can bring us in one accord, in His time.

God bless you.

Bob
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The problem with Oneness theology though is that by denying the trinity, they have for themselves a different God, not the One of the sacred scriptures
 
forgiven61 said:
name it claim it is not a correct belief... you dont proclaim your self healed and stop all medical care .. with out test results showing.. God gave the medical personel the knowledge .. Jesus is the great physician all healing comes from him..but imo can be channelled through medicine .. diabetes is not to be played with. as per sudden wealth i heard a money preacher on the radio station say if he wanted a new car . all he had to do is lay hands on it claim it...
the Bible says we have a unction that we may know all things.. we have so much fantasy world teaching . we should proceed with caution . i am very picky on my ones i listen to for extra feeding.

when a man will proclaim God going take him home.. if he dont get xx amount of $$ . and a dog track racer where they gamble on Dogs .. provides the money ..i know a church who took money from a alcohol distributing business owner. if not mistaken he was a member .. red flags
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What is interesting is that nearly all of those in so called name it and claim it theology still experience poor health, many into affairs of sexual and financial types, and basically have nothing to prove their claims to being some kind of "super saints"
 
Major said:
Absolutely correct and in fact Modalism was condemned as heretical as early as the second century A.D.

In addition to those facts.....Oneness Pentecostalism teaches that baptism is a required act of salvation, also that the "sign gifts" given to the Apostles are still active today.
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By adding that one MUST be water baptism JUST in the name of Jesus only, and one MUST speak forth in tongues to be saved, its clearly another gospel
 
YeshuaFan said:
The problem with Oneness theology though is that by denying the trinity, they have for themselves a different God, not the One of the sacred scriptures
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YeshuaFan said:
What is interesting is that nearly all of those in so called name it and claim it theology still experience poor health, many into affairs of sexual and financial types, and basically have nothing to prove their claims to being some kind of "super saints"
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Good morning, YeshuaFan;

Yes, and this is why it's important for us to understand and grow daily in the True Word of God, especially the Triune. You and I believe yet have our own personal health issues, but for those who don't believe, we share the Gospel with them.

What matters is when we develop whatever common ground (sports topics, landscaping, family, work, etc..) leading to the opportunity to share our Christian faith.

God bless you, YeshuaFan.

Bob

 
bobinfaith said:
Good morning, YeshuaFan;

Yes, and this is why it's important for us to understand and grow daily in the True Word of God, especially the Triune. You and I believe yet have our own personal health issues, but for those who don't believe, we share the Gospel with them.

What matters is when we develop whatever common ground (sports topics, landscaping, family, work, etc..) leading to the opportunity to share our Christian faith.

God bless you, YeshuaFan.

Bob

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Building a common ground is always a two way road.
 
YeshuaFan said:
What is interesting is that nearly all of those in so called name it and claim it theology still experience poor health, many into affairs of sexual and financial types, and basically have nothing to prove their claims to being some kind of "super saints"
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Yes.

Oral Roberts wore glasses......One has to ask WHY?

The only people who get rich in the Wealth Gospel are the preachers who fleece and rob their flocks of the last dollar.

I always told my church, IF...IF you give any money to any TV Healing ministry instead of YOUR own church, when you are in the hospital......you better call Benny, Kenneth, or Oral or Richard because I aint coming!
 
YeshuaFan said:
So oneness would see one God who manifests Himself as 3 different Persons in history, but still really same God, not 3 separate and distinct persons as in the Trinity?
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The classic Biblical statement of Trinitarian doctrine is that there is One God who exists eternally in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. However, the Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the same person as the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son. The word Trinity is never used in the Bible, but Trinitarian doctrine is a summary of the teaching about God found in the New Testament.

However.......Oneness advocates resemble Unitarians in that they both deny the Trinity. Unitarians believe in one God who exists as one person, God the Father. The Son is not God but rather a man. Perhaps He was a man who was more fully in tune with God than any other, but a man nonetheless. The Holy Spirit is not thought of as a person but rather as the power of God.
 
YeshuaFan said:
So oneness would see one God who manifests Himself as 3 different Persons in history, but still really same God, not 3 separate and distinct persons as in the Trinity?
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Oneness is Modalist--1 God putting on 3 faces. According to them, heaven was empty while Jesus was on the earth because the Father brcame the Son, and every time Jesus prayed, he prayed to himself. According to this reasoning, while Jesus was in the tomb, God was dead, leaving the creation ungoverned for 3 days. Now, according to Oneness reasoning, God the father is now the Holy Spirit, so, at present, the throne in heaven is vacant. Now, do you see how stupid Oneness Modalism is?
 
BibleLover said:
Oneness is Modalist--1 God putting on 3 faces. According to them, heaven was empty while Jesus was on the earth because the Father brcame the Son, and every time Jesus prayed, he prayed to himself. According to this reasoning, while Jesus was in the tomb, God was dead, leaving the creation ungoverned for 3 days. Now, according to Oneness reasoning, God the father is now the Holy Spirit, so, at present, the throne in heaven is vacant. Now, do you see how stupid Oneness Modalism is?
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in this are they are growing there out in the highways and byways . i have a great nephew saved at westpoint which is apostolic. i also have other family there.to me it seem alot of emotions there good people buttt that is all i can say ..
 
YeshuaFan said:
What is interesting is that nearly all of those in so called name it and claim it theology still experience poor health, many into affairs of sexual and financial types, and basically have nothing to prove their claims to being some kind of "super saints"
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yes i know
 
YeshuaFan said:
What is interesting is that nearly all of those in so called name it and claim it theology still experience poor health, many into affairs of sexual and financial types, and basically have nothing to prove their claims to being some kind of "super saints"
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Major said:
Yes. Oral Roberts wore glasses......One has to ask WHY? The only people who get rich in the Wealth Gospel are the preachers who fleece and rob their flocks of the last dollar. I always told my church, IF...IF you give any money to any TV Healing ministry instead of YOUR own church, when you are in the hospital......you better call Benny, Kenneth, or Oral or Richard because I aint coming!
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forgiven61 said:
name it claim it is not a correct belief... you dont proclaim your self healed and stop all medical care .. with out test results showing.. God gave the medical personel the knowledge .. Jesus is the great physician all healing comes from him..but imo can be channelled through medicine .. diabetes is not to be played with. as per sudden wealth i heard a money preacher on the radio station say if he wanted a new car . all he had to do is lay hands on it claim it... the Bible says we have a unction that we may know all things.. we have so much fantasy world teaching . we should proceed with caution . i am very picky on my ones i listen to for extra feeding. when a man will proclaim God going take him home.. if he dont get xx amount of $$ . and a dog track racer where they gamble on Dogs .. provides the money ..i know a church who took money from a alcohol distributing business owner. if not mistaken he was a member .. red flags
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BibleLover said:
No, there is a significant difference between the two. Oneness views all three members of the trinity as divine, albeit not as distinct persons but as three different modes or faces of one God rather than as a trinity. Unitarianism assigns divinity only to the Father, viewing Jesus as not divine and the Holy Spirit not as a person but as a divine force. Unitarianism not only denies the trinity but also denies that Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit as not only not God but also not even a person.
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Here's my additional thoughts. In my conversations with other people's faith, their "assigned names" (like the ones mentioned) include a certain lifestyle accordingly.

Then when their belief falls short an explanation is dug deeper to justify why God hasn't delivered them or is just delaying.

What I find sad are the "assigned names" as human forms of faith in God, as if the name will move them ahead or faster into Eternal life.

One year my wife and I attended a church as guests of friends. When we walked in the narthex (lobby) we were welcomed but then they suddenly separated my wife from me. They directed her to sit on the right side of the pews, all women, and led me to sit on the left side, all men.

The sanctuary was filled with members and guests but it felt eerie. The minister preached that Jesus was a good man, possibly a prophet and the holy spirit does not exist, only in the minds of some believers, he added, "think of yoga."

At the end there was a Q&A for the guests. I thought this was odd but went with the flow. Anyway, the guests would put a piece of paper with their question or comment in a hat. The minister read them all and then ended with, "did anyone not have their question addressed?"

My wife spoke out calmly, "you didn't read my question" which he replied, "Oh, sorry, here's one more piece of paper in the hat" 🤨?!?

My wife's question was, "does your church believe in the Trinity?" "No, was his reply, "The word Trinity is not in the Bible, therefore, there is only 1 god."

Though the visit was something we never experienced before, we remained respectful as guests in this church. A couple of weeks later I wrote a letter to the minister and refuted his argument opposing the Triune and provided Scriptures, Genesis 1:26, Isaiah 48:16-17, Matthew 3:16-17, 28:19, 2 Corinthians 13:14, John 1:1-5, 1 John 5:7.

This thread is important to understand for each of us. It's so important not to leap before looking, instead, ask God to lead us where He wants us to worship Him, guide us and receive sound doctrine of teaching and preaching of His inerrant Word.

God bless you all.

Bob
 
BibleLover said:
Oneness is Modalist--1 God putting on 3 faces. According to them, heaven was empty while Jesus was on the earth because the Father brcame the Son, and every time Jesus prayed, he prayed to himself. According to this reasoning, while Jesus was in the tomb, God was dead, leaving the creation ungoverned for 3 days. Now, according to Oneness reasoning, God the father is now the Holy Spirit, so, at present, the throne in heaven is vacant. Now, do you see how stupid Oneness Modalism is?
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So when the Father spoke from heaven stated that Jesus was His beloved Son, was Jesus throwing his voice?
 
forgiven61 said:
in this are they are growing there out in the highways and byways . i have a great nephew saved at westpoint which is apostolic. i also have other family there.to me it seem alot of emotions there good people buttt that is all i can say ..
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TD Jakes probably most famous advocate for that theology
 
Major said:
The classic Biblical statement of Trinitarian doctrine is that there is One God who exists eternally in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God. However, the Father is neither the Son nor the Holy Spirit. The Son is not the same person as the Father or the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son. The word Trinity is never used in the Bible, but Trinitarian doctrine is a summary of the teaching about God found in the New Testament.

However.......Oneness advocates resemble Unitarians in that they both deny the Trinity. Unitarians believe in one God who exists as one person, God the Father. The Son is not God but rather a man. Perhaps He was a man who was more fully in tune with God than any other, but a man nonetheless. The Holy Spirit is not thought of as a person but rather as the power of God.
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Sounds like Judaism and islam for Unitarian religions
 
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