How would you define heresy and Acceptable theology then?

Major said:
Hyer-calvists do not teach evangelism. There is no need to pray for the lost ITO.
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Indeed, as was in a church visiting with a friend and asked why no missionary board showing who they supported, and they stated had no budget for missions
Major said:
I do not understand....."Biblically divorced"!
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They would say if they were married say before saved, and the wife was not saved and departed, would fit biblical guidelines, or if she was commiting active adultery and refused to repent was biblcal grounds for a divorce , and would mean still qualified to be a Pastor or Elder
 
YeshuaFan said:
They would say if they were married say before saved, and the wife was not saved and departed, would fit biblical guidelines, ...
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This, I believe, is closer to biblical guidelines when it comes to divorce...

Matthew 19:8 NKJV
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
 
crossnote said:
This, I believe, is closer to biblical guidelines when it comes to divorce...

Matthew 19:8 NKJV
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
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Think that the biblcal grounds for a divorce would be desertion by a spouse, unconfessed/independent adultery, and even those can be forgiven and grace of God to save the marriage IF they choose to, but if not
 
crossnote said:
This, I believe, is closer to biblical guidelines when it comes to divorce...

Matthew 19:8 NKJV
He said to them, "Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.
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Funny fact. One of my long time married deacons used that very same Scripture to argue that a Deacon can not be divorced.

Absolutely, marriage without divorce is the plan of God.

That Scripture does not mean that divorce is never allowed. The context here was that the Pharisees were divided amongst themselves about what qualified as "indecent" enough to divorce one's wife. Was it only marital infidelity or was it anything the husband simply did not like about her?

Jesus now answers them in that Moses allowed divorce because of the hardness of the Israelites' hearts. This means that God created a set of rules limiting the damage which divorce might cause. Jesus adds that it was not so from the beginning. In other words, God's intention in creation was that all human marriage between man and woman should be lifelong.
 
YeshuaFan said:
Think that the biblcal grounds for a divorce would be desertion by a spouse, unconfessed/independent adultery, and even those can be forgiven and grace of God to save the marriage IF they choose to, but if not
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Perhaps 'from the beginning', quoted by Jesus could be meant?...

Genesis 2:21-24 NKJV
And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall on Adam, and he slept; and He took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh in its place. [22] Then the rib which the LORD God had taken from man He made into a woman, and He brought her to the man. [23] And Adam said: "This is now bone of my bones And flesh of my flesh; She shall be called Woman, Because she was taken out of Man." [24] Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh.

I believe that would qualify as 'from the beginning', does expresses God's design for no divorce.
 
Major said:
Funny fact. One of my long time married deacons used that very same Scripture to argue that a Deacon can not be divorced.

Absolutely, marriage without divorce is the plan of God.

That Scripture does not mean that divorce is never allowed. The context here was that the Pharisees were divided amongst themselves about what qualified as "indecent" enough to divorce one's wife. Was it only marital infidelity or was it anything the husband simply did not like about her?

Jesus now answers them in that Moses allowed divorce because of the hardness of the Israelites' hearts. This means that God created a set of rules limiting the damage which divorce might cause. Jesus adds that it was not so from the beginning. In other words, God's intention in creation was that all human marriage between man and woman should be lifelong.
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See my take #46.
 
Major said:
Funny fact. One of my long time married deacons used that very same Scripture to argue that a Deacon can not be divorced. Absolutely, marriage without divorce is the plan of God. That Scripture does not mean that divorce is never allowed. The context here was that the Pharisees were divided amongst themselves about what qualified as "indecent" enough to divorce one's wife. This means that God created a set of rules limiting the damage which divorce might cause. Jesus adds that it was not so from the beginning. In other words, God's intention in creation was that all human marriage between man and woman should be lifelong.
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Hello Major;

On a personal thought. After reading this whole discussion, Hazel and I just celebrated our 40th anniversary on June 1. In the early years I'm not proud of the problems we had early in marriage, the unwholesome talk that came about of my mouth reference Ephesians 4:29, and the unwise life decisions we / I made.

In the mid 90's I was deeply surprised when my former Pastor had me ratified as a Deacon, later an Elder by definition of assisting my Pastor and my role in the Church.

In both ministries my wife and I were married as one man and one woman though I am aware of Pastors who were divorced, remarried, Deacons who never married and a former prisoner from Pelican Bay who went on to become a Pastor.

Had my situation been different as far as broken or divorced marriage, I don't know if I would have gone into the Pastoral ministry but no doubt I would have been serving in some other capacity such as the music ministry, ushers committee or evangelism team.

Having known and been forgiven for my past sins, I was asked in an interview vetting process, "why would God call you to become a Pastor?" I answered, "I know I don't deserve it." After the vetting process I was ordained as a planting Church Pastor, my first Church. After all the bonehead mistakes I still made, mostly with people, I still wonder why I was called.

I learned the hard way. I would go to my wife at the end of the day with my most pressing challenges (people problems) in the Church. But I would learn this was not fair to her. So I started sharing with my mentors (senior pastors 30 - 40 years) in the ministry.

God bless you, brother.

Bob
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello Major;

On a personal thought. After reading this whole discussion, Hazel and I just celebrated our 40th anniversary on June 1. In the early years I'm not proud of the problems we had early in marriage, the unwholesome talk that came about of my mouth reference Ephesians 4:29, and the unwise life decisions we / I made.

In the mid 90's I was deeply surprised when my former Pastor had me ratified as a Deacon, later an Elder by definition of assisting my Pastor and my role in the Church.

In both ministries my wife and I were married as one man and one woman though I am aware of Pastors who were divorced, remarried, Deacons who never married and a former prisoner from Pelican Bay who went on to become a Pastor.

Had my situation been different as far as broken or divorced marriage, I don't know if I would have gone into the Pastoral ministry but no doubt I would have been serving in some other capacity such as the music ministry, ushers committee or evangelism team.

Having known and been forgiven for my past sins, I was asked in an interview vetting process, "why would God call you to become a Pastor?" I answered, "I know I don't deserve it." After the vetting process I was ordained as a planting Church Pastor, my first Church. After all the bonehead mistakes I still made, mostly with people, I still wonder why I was called.

I learned the hard way. I would go to my wife at the end of the day with my most pressing challenges (people problems) in the Church. But I would learn this was not fair to her. So I started sharing with my mentors (senior pastors 30 - 40 years) in the ministry.

God bless you, brother.

Bob
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Well said brother. My wife and I will be married 57 years this Sept.

May I say to you that admitting that you and your wife had your problems is NOT NEWS. Anyone who says that they have the perfect marriage and has never had an argument or conflict with their mate is lying! It is impossible to do that!!!!!

To this day i ask why God called me to preach and teach. I never asked for it and even ran from it. I just could not out run the Lord.
 
Major said:
Well said brother. My wife and I will be married 57 years this Sept.

May I say to you that admitting that you and your wife had your problems is NOT NEWS. Anyone who says that they have the perfect marriage and has never had an argument or conflict with their mate is lying! It is impossible to do that!!!!!

To this day i ask why God called me to preach and teach. I never asked for it and even ran from it. I just could not out run the Lord.
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My wife and I will celebrate our 27 tthis Month, just young pups compared to you 2!
 
Major said:
Well said brother. My wife and I will be married 57 years this Sept. May I say to you that admitting that you and your wife had your problems is NOT NEWS. Anyone who says that they have the perfect marriage and has never had an argument or conflict with their mate is lying! It is impossible to do that!!!!! To this day i ask why God called me to preach and teach. I never asked for it and even ran from it. I just could not out run the Lord.
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YeshuaFan said:
My wife and I will celebrate our 27 tthis Month, just young pups compared to you 2!
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Good morning, Major and YeshuaFan;

Praise God and congrats to both of you. A young couple married 5 years shared with me marriage has been the hardest time "being together day in and day out."

I told them the next 5 would get better. lol! They didn't seem very encouraged.

I believe the 9 fruit of spirit in Galatians 5:22-23 are good qualities applied to all relationships especially in a marriage, thus good, sound doctrine. This is one key foundation for a Godly man and woman joined together for life. Whereas heresy opposes good Christian values and can misdirect people's lives.

I feel Godly wives have this ability to sense the high versus the low road in God's direction for their husband.

Bob
 
bobinfaith said:
Good morning, Major and YeshuaFan;

Praise God and congrats to both of you. A young couple married 5 years shared with me marriage has been the hardest time "being together day in and day out."

I told them the next 5 would get better. lol! They didn't seem very encouraged.

I believe the 9 fruit of spirit in Galatians 5:22-23 are good qualities applied to all relationships especially in a marriage, thus good, sound doctrine. This is one key foundation for a Godly man and woman joined together for life. Whereas heresy opposes good Christian values and can misdirect people's lives.

I feel Godly wives have this ability to sense the high versus the low road in God's direction for their husband.

Bob
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Honestly, marriage is hard.......Life is hard!

Just yesterday my wife went to the doctor with me on a regular visit. I have had a few heath issues in the last 10 years and I have had the same dr.

My wife quizzed my doctor so hard I felt bad for him. She asked why this and why that and why haven't YOU done this test and that test????? He took it really well and later that night I that my wife. I told her how blessed I was to have a wife that after almost 60 years together she would be so concerned about me that she would act like a mother BEAR!
 
YeshuaFan said:
That is why I make a distinct between "classic" Pentecostal theology, such as AOG, as while disagree with their views on the Person and work of the Holy Spirit, to me the theology of WoF and Prosperity/Dominion would push into Heresy beyond misunderstands and bad theology into outright heresy
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Agreed!
 
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