It’s not for you

Major said:
As always, it is a blessing to speak with you.

All I am saying is that Paul demanded ORDER. I would guess that anyone and everyone could contribute whatever gift that they had, but it had to be in ORDER so that everyone would know what was being said or done.

Keep up the good work!
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And I appreciate you too, Major, in that you bring out some typicalities (is that a real word?) in discussion that are worthy of addressing. Almost everyone who has never experienced a church service where EVERYONE is allowed to share, most assume that it must have been chaos, and that such cannot be allowed, therefore the programmatic god applied to keep everyone in line and silent.

In another thread, I shared about such an organization where everyone was allowed to openly share whatever was on their hearts. It never got out of order. Chaos never did erupt. All us adults functioned as...adults. We waited for the other to finish, or we joined in with another when asked, or we would step in and contribute when we deemed it necessary, and when moved by Holy Spirit.

This irrational fear of openness on the basis of potential chaos, no. I'm not saying you have that, but most who own the position of that pulpit DO harbor that fear in their mean-spirited, beating hearts. Frank once told me that if ever I encountered another pastor who would dare say there was no inclination toward pride in being the guy who owns and controls that pulpit, then I was to set up a meeting between him and that other pastor so that he could call that pastor a liar to his face.

So, the status quo is that institutionalism routinely sacrifices fellowship on the altar of "order" as if it were a proper and necessary death, and thus placing the cart before the proverbial horse, which fails to get to the desired destination.

This is part and partial as to why "it's not for me." 🤠

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
Skipper, you're the only one thus far who as assumed disdain in my words. Who are these "people" may I ask? Nobody else accused me of disdain, pride or condescension in this thread or any other when this topic came up.

I can see there's no resolution to this, so I will, as I had indicated, bow out from conversation in this thread with you since it seems to be a sore spot.

MM
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I’m not sure why my previous response to this was deleted but I’ll point it out again that you yourself used the plural word “others” thus implying multiple people. Your words, not mine.

And I would still like to know what you mean by “true fellowship” and how it differs from other fellowships people engage in.
 
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Skipper said:
We all have preferences; likes and dislikes. I’m guessing I’m not alone in letting my likes and dislikes sometimes bleed into my opinion of a church service.

I don’t like this song. The music is too slow. The music is too fast. The music is too loud. I feel like I want to sit down. They’re singing ANOTHER song?!?

Why is the pastor talking about this? I wish the pastor would hurry up. I can’t relate to this message at all. Why doesn’t the pastor do a better job of ______?

If you ever find yourself thinking along these lines, try to remember four simple words - it’s not for you.

If you don’t like a particular song or message, consider the possibility that it wasn’t for you. It was for a brother or sister in Christ in the congregation. Just because you didn’t like it or couldn’t relate doesn’t mean it didn’t serve a purpose or have an impact on someone else in the room.

And for THAT, give joy! Even if you didn’t particularly care for it, give joy that it reached someone else who needed to hear it. We all have songs and sermons that may not be our cup of tea just as we have all had songs and sermons that feel like they’re being given specifically to us individually. Maybe today’s sermon wasn’t it for you but give praise to God that someone else heard what they needed to hear!
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Agreed the sermon the song or the music may not be in keeping with ones flavour of the day. But for others it be more important & meaningful to whom and wherever the Holy Spirt touches & reveals.
 
Musicmaster said:
And I appreciate you too, Major, in that you bring out some typicalities (is that a real word?) in discussion that are worthy of addressing. Almost everyone who has never experienced a church service where EVERYONE is allowed to share, most assume that it must have been chaos, and that such cannot be allowed, therefore the programmatic god applied to keep everyone in line and silent.

In another thread, I shared about such an organization where everyone was allowed to openly share whatever was on their hearts. It never got out of order. Chaos never did erupt. All us adults functioned as...adults. We waited for the other to finish, or we joined in with another when asked, or we would step in and contribute when we deemed it necessary, and when moved by Holy Spirit.

This irrational fear of openness on the basis of potential chaos, no. I'm not saying you have that, but most who own the position of that pulpit DO harbor that fear in their mean-spirited, beating hearts. Frank once told me that if ever I encountered another pastor who would dare say there was no inclination toward pride in being the guy who owns and controls that pulpit, then I was to set up a meeting between him and that other pastor so that he could call that pastor a liar to his face.

So, the status quo is that institutionalism routinely sacrifices fellowship on the altar of "order" as if it were a proper and necessary death, and thus placing the cart before the proverbial horse, which fails to get to the desired destination.

This is part and partial as to why "it's not for me." 🤠

MM
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MM.....I would love to have "Frank" stand in front of me!

I can tell you with all honesty that I would be that one man. I am not saying that there is not some of what you are saying present, but isn't that the case in ALL professions!!!! What Doctor do you go to that does not have a diploma on the wall.
What auto mechanic does not display his credentials as a mechanic? IF a professional of any kind did not take pride in his work in his profession........honestly, would you give him your confidence. THINK about a heart surgeon!!!!!

Now as for me, I knew with all my heart that God had placed me in the position and He could remove me at any time. In fact, as God is my witness, I did everything so as to not draw attention to me. I even had the chairman of deacons open in prayer and the head usher also said the prayer before an offering and at the close of the service I asked someone in the audience. I usually had one of our youth read the Scriptures for the sermon.

I also had a dear seminary professor who one told us all that Humility is the true key to success. Successful people lose their way at times. They often embrace and overindulge from the fruits of success. Humility halts this arrogance and self-indulging trap. Humble people share the credit and wealth, remaining focused and hungry to continue the journey of success.

I always wanted to be the least of the bunch because I knew that I was not qualified to be doing what I was doing!
 
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