Jun 28, 2010
Heres a hypothetical question;
Your church is suffering, there is lots of money coming in to it but none being spent on the church and your church is suffering because of it, but your leader, who does not work in a worldly Job, has a nice car, nice house and a nice bank account...
What would you do?
Thanks for taking the time to write. Your hypothetical presents very
interesting and valid points. Let's look at it again: the church is
suffering financially, even though money is coming in. The leader, who
does not have a secular job, has a nice car, nice house and nice bank
account. You say we need to see the "wrong in that and ... not support
it." The "wrong" obviously is not the leader having nice things, but must
be how he or she got them, with the conclusion being that the leader has
either misappropriated church funds or has set up the church for his or her
personal benefit. If there's proof of misconduct, then certainly action
should be taken consistent with church by-laws. However, we must be
careful not to jump to conclusions, which is often the case. The point of
the video is to caution members from speaking on things without an adequate
basis. This happens far too often and it brings the member out of God's
will, causes divisions and confusion, and often leads to disastrous
results. What if there is proof of misconduct at play? Even here, members
must be careful in what they say. Saul was "wrong" for trying to kill
David and for how he was running the nation. Still, David would not speak
against him or raise his sword against him even when he had the chance.
Why? Because David recognized that Saul was still anointed by God as
leader, and he trusted God to handle Saul's iniquity in His timing. David
didn't stay around and support Saul, but neither did he put his mouth or
his hand upon him. There are valuable lessons to be learned in that. - Min. Jeff


Jun 28, 2010
I do understand what you mean..
We do have to be careful.. I just wanted to also make it clear that what Paul says stands...
1 Cor 5-12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside. "Expel the wicked man from among you."

Of course, we dont just hastily do that, but its clear in the NT that we must be careful of people;
Mat 7:15 "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
Mat 7:16 "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?

What I have got out of the NT is; We need to check peoples fruit if we are in doubt..
The question I asked was more about fruit, in such a case the fruit coming about is not good, it seems to be all worldly fruit..
I know in the past, I have looked at a pastors car, I wont lie...
I noticed how blessed his church was, so I thought why not just have a look at the car he drives, well it cant be worth more than 1,000 dollars.
I dont know, I guess its hard, something that would need to be prayed about and defiantly wouldn't act on without conformation from God, but the NT does say we need to be careful of people.