King James ONLY Controversy

[Major]

The KJV Only Bible promoters insist that the only acceptable Bible translation is the King James Version.

The King James Only controversy is essentially a conspiracy theory that claims that all modern translations of Scripture are based on tainted manuscripts and that their translators are driven by a liberal Protestant or Roman Catholic (or even one-world government) agenda. This theory manifests itself in various forms, some of which are more extreme than others.

KJV Only Arguments but are not limited to........

1. The King James Version is based on the “Majority Text” over against the modern versions that are based on the corrupt “Alexandrian Texts.”

2. The modern translations attack the deity of Christ by removing references to his lordship.

3. Heretics, occultists and homosexuals were on the translation committees of modern versions.

4. The modern translations delete verses from the Bible.

5. The 1611 Authorized Version is the preserved Word of God in English.

6. The modern translations promote a “works-salvation.”

7. The newer versions include footnotes which offer different renderings of certain words or verses.

Do YOU have a preference on these arguments or do YOU have a different one to support your own personal opinion?

My personal observation, having dealt with this topic over the years is like with anyone who expounds any conspiracy theory, it is usually fruitless to try to reason with the KJV Only crowd.

So what do we do???? Argue? Confront? Dismiss?

IMHO, we should, we must seek to prod these brothers and sisters to a correct understanding with love and patience, realizing that most efforts will be spurned and may turn out in vain. That does not dismiss our attitude to try.

 

[In Awe of Him]

So what do we do???? Argue? Confront? Dismiss?

IMHO, we should, we must seek to prod these brothers and sisters to a correct understanding with love and patience, realizing that most efforts will be spurned and may turn out in vain. That does not dismiss our attitude to try.

Well... since I seem to have contracted a wee bit of an "ATTITUDE" this morning.... I would go with ALL of the ABOVE. HA

 

[In Awe of Him]

Major .... So... help me out here.

I get stuck here... as in REALLY stuck... I have such a difficult time with BAD ATTITUDES... with those who think they know it all and refuse to humble themselves.

If I do not appreciate someone... I keep AWAY from them... I do not confront or argue... but I do DISMISS... and I think this is sometimes the BEST thing we can do.

What is the purpose of prodding/challenging someone who almost 100% will not be receptive to correction or healthy debate? It seems what is left when someone does not desire to play right or fairly is to defend ourselves or continue to walk away= dismiss.

The KJV Only Bible promoters insist that the only acceptable Bible translation is the King James Version.

How on earth do you prod someone on an issue like this??? Is it worth the headache??

I have a hard enough time just staying out of trouble. GOOD GRIEF.... I have a problem understanding PATIENCE and TOLERANCE of others. I really do.

 

[Major]

Major .... So... help me out here.

I get stuck here... as in REALLY stuck... I have such a difficult time with BAD ATTITUDES... with those who think they know it all and refuse to humble themselves.

If I do not appreciate someone... I keep AWAY from them... I do not confront or argue... but I do DISMISS... and I think this is sometimes the BEST thing we can do.

What is the purpose of prodding/challenging someone who almost 100% will not be receptive to correction or healthy debate? It seems what is left when someone does not desire to play right or fairly is to defend ourselves or continue to walk away= dismiss.

How on earth do you prod someone on an issue like this??? Is it worth the headache??

I have a hard enough time just staying out of trouble. GOOD GRIEF.... I have a problem understanding PATIENCE and TOLERANCE of others. I really do.

Most of the time it is not a matter of prodding or challenging anyone on their beliefs. Things happen, conversation pop up in strange place like Bible study classes etc. When that happens we are commanded by the Scriptures to give an answer.

1 Peter 3:15.......
"but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,"

Now of course, context demands that the "Hope that is in s: is Jesus the Christ. However, IMHO, we as believers should be prepared to give answers to questions when asked about those things in life which prompted the question to begin with.

 

[In Awe of Him]

Most of the time it is not a matter of prodding or challenging anyone on their beliefs. Things happen, conversation pop up in strange place like Bible study classes etc. When that happens we are commanded by the Scriptures to give an answer.

1 Peter 3:15.......
"but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,"

Now of course, context demands that the "Hope that is in s: is Jesus the Christ. However, IMHO, we as believers should be prepared to give answers to questions when asked about those things in life which prompted the question to begin with.

Thank you and I like what you said. I need to learn this...

 

[LearningToLetGo]

It's a silly argument. One could better defend a Greek only version.

 

[BibleLover]

The KJV Only Bible promoters insist that the only acceptable Bible translation is the King James Version.

The King James Only controversy is essentially a conspiracy theory that claims that all modern translations of Scripture are based on tainted manuscripts and that their translators are driven by a liberal Protestant or Roman Catholic (or even one-world government) agenda. This theory manifests itself in various forms, some of which are more extreme than others.

KJV Only Arguments but are not limited to........

1. The King James Version is based on the “Majority Text” over against the modern versions that are based on the corrupt “Alexandrian Texts.”

2. The modern translations attack the deity of Christ by removing references to his lordship.

3. Heretics, occultists and homosexuals were on the translation committees of modern versions.

4. The modern translations delete verses from the Bible.

5. The 1611 Authorized Version is the preserved Word of God in English.

6. The modern translations promote a “works-salvation.”

7. The newer versions include footnotes which offer different renderings of certain words or verses.

Do YOU have a preference on these arguments or do YOU have a different one to support your own personal opinion?

My personal observation, having dealt with this topic over the years is like with anyone who expounds any conspiracy theory, it is usually fruitless to try to reason with the KJV Only crowd.

So what do we do???? Argue? Confront? Dismiss?

IMHO, we should, we must seek to prod these brothers and sisters to a correct understanding with love and patience, realizing that most efforts will be spurned and may turn out in vain. That does not dismiss our attitude to try.

My church is KJVO, but I'm not. During my seminary studies, I learned how to differentiate between a good translation and a bad one. That being said, I can respect and tolerate KJVO people based on what Paul taught on how to accept a weaker brother.

 

[LearningToLetGo]

It's appropriate for a church to pick a version. That facilitates reading along and formal study. That's a far cry from saying only one version is legitimate, however.

 

[forgiven61]

i own a kjv i use kjv its what i cut my teeth on.. But k,j.v is not the authorized version...tyndale lost his life translating the Bible so others could read it for them selves

 

[LearningToLetGo]

I prefer KJV since it "feels" old, and age lends legitimacy to things. But that's an emotional response. I also own ESV and NIV. I find they are easier to read. In the end, the language is secondary to the meaning, and only a means to an end. It's the meaning that matters, nor the words.

 

[In Awe of Him]

I am a NKJV gal ( as far as favourite ) for the same reason that LearningToLetGo stated... I love the old language... but I don't think I have ever read the KJV.... Is there a huge difference between these two??

 

[BibleLover]

I am a NKJV gal ( as far as favourite ) for the same reason that LearningToLetGo stated... I love the old language... but I don't think I have ever read the KJV.... Is there a huge difference between these two??

There is little significant difference between the KJV and the NKJV. The NKJV text uses the same Greek and Hebrew texts that the KJV translators used. The differences lie in the fact that the NKJV translators consulted all available original language texts when doing their translation and placed variants in marginal notes, not in the actual Bible text. Also, the English language of the NKJV has been updated, so unfortunately, it lacks the poetic eloquence found in the KJV, making it less conducive to ease of memorization.

 

[In Awe of Him]

BibleLover ... So... I'm assuming that those words were are guessing the meaning of are NOT in the NKJV???

 

[Origen]

I have no desire to address all of the arguments.

KJV Only Arguments but are not limited to........

1. The King James Version is based on the “Majority Text” over against the modern versions that are based on the corrupt “Alexandrian Texts.”

Both claims are are factually wrong.

First, the KJV is based upon the textus receptus not the majority text. The majority text differs from the textus receptus in over 1,800 difference places.

Second, modern version follow an eclectic text. That is a text compiled from multiple sources such as papyri, manuscripts, church fathers, and early translations of the Greek New Testament.

4. The modern translations delete verses from the Bible.

So does the majority text.

5. The 1611 Authorized Version is the preserved Word of God in English.

I believe that. I also believe the same is true of the ESV, NRSB, NIV, NLT etc.

I agree with the Preface of the KJV:
"Now to the latter we answer; that we do not deny, nay we affirm and avow, that the very meanest translation of the Bible in English, set forth by men of our profession, (for we have seen none of theirs of the whole Bible as yet) containeth the word of God, nay, is the word of God."

In 1611, the word "meanest" most commonly meant lowest in rank, status, or importance.

7. The newer versions include footnotes which offer different renderings of certain words or verses.

Guess what? The 1611 KJV had margin notes. It had 7,342 margin notes.

An exhaustive listing of the marginal notes of the 1611 edition of the King James Bible – Literatura Bautista

It is the follow claim that sents chills down my spine and is a real threat.

Did you hear what he said?

 

[Naaman]

Major .... So... help me out here.

I get stuck here... as in REALLY stuck... I have such a difficult time with BAD ATTITUDES... with those who think they know it all and refuse to humble themselves.

If I do not appreciate someone... I keep AWAY from them... I do not confront or argue... but I do DISMISS... and I think this is sometimes the BEST thing we can do.

What is the purpose of prodding/challenging someone who almost 100% will not be receptive to correction or healthy debate? It seems what is left when someone does not desire to play right or fairly is to defend ourselves or continue to walk away= dismiss.

How on earth do you prod someone on an issue like this??? Is it worth the headache??

I have a hard enough time just staying out of trouble. GOOD GRIEF.... I have a problem understanding PATIENCE and TOLERANCE of others. I really do.

I am just like you. A Proverbs 20:3 type person when it comes to arguments like this. Better to just walk away.

And a lack of humility is my biggest red flag when talking to someone.




I read from NKJV only because that is what my church/pastor preach from.

 

[BibleLover]

It is the follow claim that sents chills down my spine and is a real threat.

Did you hear what he said?

What's most frightening is that he has a sizable church full of people eating up what he says.

Based on the level of ignorance he displayed, he's either lying about his education; he got a substandard education from some KJVO school such as Pensacola Christian College, Crown College, or Hyles-Anderson Bible College. If that's not the case, there's a servant of Satan in the pulpit.

 

[Major]

My church is KJVO, but I'm not. During my seminary studies, I learned how to differentiate between a good translation and a bad one. That being said, I can respect and tolerate KJVO people based on what Paul taught on how to accept a weaker brother.

Agreed. brother.

 

[Major]

Major .... So... help me out here.

I get stuck here... as in REALLY stuck... I have such a difficult time with BAD ATTITUDES... with those who think they know it all and refuse to humble themselves.

If I do not appreciate someone... I keep AWAY from them... I do not confront or argue... but I do DISMISS... and I think this is sometimes the BEST thing we can do.

What is the purpose of prodding/challenging someone who almost 100% will not be receptive to correction or healthy debate? It seems what is left when someone does not desire to play right or fairly is to defend ourselves or continue to walk away= dismiss.

How on earth do you prod someone on an issue like this??? Is it worth the headache??

I have a hard enough time just staying out of trouble. GOOD GRIEF.... I have a problem understanding PATIENCE and TOLERANCE of others. I really do.

All we can do is explain why we think that WE are correct. It will do no good to tell someone that they are wrong. That will completely close the door and they will become defensive.

The same thing happens when witnessing to a lost person. You will never will a lost man by telling him that he is a bad sinner.

We have to explain to the lost man what Jesus has done for US after we accepted him as our Lord. It works better when we tell the lost man that once....."I" was an alcoholic or a drug abuser or once "I" was a thief...but NOW "I" have no desire to live in or take part in sin.

Now then, yes.....there comes a time in any conversation when walking away is the best part of valor. I am sure you have seen it right here on this forum. I have had to dismiss myself from conversations simply because the person I was talking to was absolutely positive that they knew more than anyone else on a topic. At that point.....to eliminate confrontational arguments over nothing, walk away.

 

[In Awe of Him]

All we can do is explain why we think that WE are correct. It will do no good to tell someone that they are wrong. That will completely close the door and they will become defensive.

The same thing happens when witnessing to a lost person. You will never will a lost man by telling him that he is a bad sinner.

We have to explain to the lost man what Jesus has done for US after we accepted him as our Lord. It works better when we tell the lost man that once....."I" was an alcoholic or a drug abuser or once "I" was a thief...but NOW "I" have no desire to live in or take part in sin.

Now then, yes.....there comes a time in any conversation when walking away is the best part of valor. I am sure you have seen it right here on this forum. I have had to dismiss myself from conversations simply because the person I was talking to was absolutely positive that they knew more than anyone else on a topic. At that point.....to eliminate confrontational arguments over nothing, walk away.

Thank you for this Major. I agree with you. This was written very well.

Sometimes I get stuck on wanting to have the last word.

 

[Major]

Thank you for this Major. I agree with you. This was written very well.

Sometimes I get stuck on wanting to have the last word.

I know that you have read a lot of the posting between people. I believe that you have observed that "Getting the last word" is the main reason for a lack of civility. It just happened recently to me.

There are several reasons for that. Most all of them spring from a phycological problem.

1. Getting the last word for some means....."See, I was right all along".
2. It shows dominance over others. Dominance = I am smarter than you so you must respect me.
3. Validation of a perceived opinion as fact. The last word confirms what the person thought in that --I need to be recognized!

To me.....all of those are pretty much integrated and are hard to differ from one another.