List of Totally and Partially Omitted Passages in the Modern Translations

[Prim90]

Should we pay any heed to the Jesus Seminar? The ones who used color coded tags to vote as to what was actually God's Word and what wasn't.

Should we pay any heed to the Jesus Seminar ? Well once all those colour coded tags are handed in and the vote decided. Those poisonous pens just don’t remain idle but become very active in the world of biblical academia. Their ideology was already very well entrenched and has been for quite a time prior to the founding of the Jesus Seminar. Enter the late Kurt Aland once chief editor of the Nestles text. Adored around the world by many for the many continuing Nestles editions. And also for many the final authority on what belongs where in the world of dating manuscripts. The only problem was that Kurt Aland was a heretic who believed that the epistles shouldn’t even be in the New Testament and that the most of the New Testament was spurious. He also believed that the New Testament was written well after the apostolic era just as the people of the Westar institute did. And we now know what he was capable of to protect that position destroying the reputation of two highly respected papyrologists who had deciphered papyrus from the Dead Sea scrolls pertaining to verses from 6 books of the New Testament. And of course you know what that would have meant. Putting to sleep once and for all the allegations that the New Testament was written well after the apostolic age Thats when all hell broke loose with Kurt Aland and his propaganda arm denouncing the discovery as false. So Yes Crossnote we should always heed the dangers of such organisations such as with the Jesus seminar and other like minded people like them who always seem to be in high places of authority within the biblical world. One must always evaluate the hand that rocks the cradle.

 

[crossnote]

Should we pay any heed to the Jesus Seminar ? Well once all those colour coded tags are handed in and the vote decided. Those poisonous pens just don’t remain idle but become very active in the world of biblical academia. Their ideology was already very well entrenched and has been for quite a time prior to the founding of the Jesus Seminar.

Yes, since the late 19th Century, theological liberals have been deeply entrenched in Academia.

The only problem was that Kurt Aland was a heretic who believed that the epistles shouldn’t even be in the New Testament and that the most of the New Testament was spurious.

Do you have a citation for this allegation? If true, I wonder where he thought the NT Epistles belonged, maybe in the OT?

He also believed that the New Testament was written well after the apostolic era just as the people of the Westar institute did. And we now know what he was capable of to protect that position destroying the reputation of two highly respected papyrologists who had deciphered papyrus from the Dead Sea scrolls pertaining to verses from 6 books of the New Testament

Once again, source please?
Also who were the two papyrologists?

 

[Prim90]

Yes, since the late 19th Century, theological liberals have been deeply entrenched in Academia.

Do you have a citation for this allegation? If true, I wonder where he thought the NT Epistles belonged, maybe in the OT?

Once again, source please?
Also who were the two papyrologists?

Crossnote sadly yes. Theological liberals breed like flies and have been happily corrupting students from many of our traditional Universities and bible seminaries for well over a hundred years now. Do I have reference of my allegations about Mr Kurt Alands Heretical beliefs . Yes you find in his own books ( The problem of anonymity and pseudonymity in Christian literature of the first two centuries) also ( The problem of the New Testament cannon ) It seems that Mr Aland never changed his outlook fast forward a few decades later as we find the same outlook in his 1980 or his 1985 English translation publication ( the history of Christianity ) where he shockingly and disdainfully uses his higher criticism upon the books of James, Jude, 1st & 2nd Peter. Besides that he did not believe in the inerrancy and infallibility of Gods word. He did not believe in the Apostolic authority of the 4 gospels along with many of the epistles. Actually he believed many of the NewTestament books were forgeries written by others at a latter date. He also believed that the bible must be changed and other books added to accommodate a more unified one world church. Is it wise to look up to such men Kurt Aland and others just like him to guide us with the trust worthiness of our manuscripts translations and Bibles ? Crossnote the two papyrologists were Dr Jose O’ Callaghan and Dr Carsten Peter Thiede who latter defended and verified Dr O’ Callaghan’s findings. Both were highly respected in their fields At the same time they were on a collision course with critics like Kurt Aland who held to the belief that there was no apostolic witness account of the New Testament from Pre 70AD

 

[Origen]

"The Gnostic Gospels completely detached Jesus from Israel and the history of Israel with God. The God of the Old Testament, as described by the Gnostic Gospels, categorize Him as evil and Judaism as totally lost. -Wikipedia

It's difficult to find much evidence other than from trusted Bible scholars like the ones I use for 20 years now; of which I already mentioned in my posts from David Otis Fuller, D.D. . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Otis_Fuller#:~:text=Fuller dedicated much of his,Center in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

Example: "Within the first hundred years after the death of the Apostles, Irenaeus said concerning Marcion the Gnostic, 'Wherefore also Marcion and his followers have betaken themselves to mutilating the Scriptures, not acknowledging some books at all, and curtailing the Gospel according to Luke and the Epistles of Paul, they assert that these alone are authentic which they themselves have shortened."

Here is a sample of one popular ancient scholar who wrote evil manuscripts in the 2nd century":

Marcion

www.earlychristianwritings.com

You have change topic. No one denies Gnostics wrote their own Gospels but that was not your original point. In post 12 you were speaking of New Testament manuscripts and who created them. Let me remind you.

Just to be accurate though concerning "original manuscripts," there are no known extant autographs of the Biblical writers, thus all are copies of copies. Also, there were some Gnostic scholars that hand a hand in the 3 manuscripts they use,

The part in bold is what I was addressing.

So I ask again, please names those Gnostic and cite primary sources proving your claim.

The detractors of the modern translations omitted this passage. If there were not Greek manuscript evidence for this verse they would have not included it.

You have provide zero evidence for this claim.

If you are using the three sources of the Minority Text you will not find this anywhere in those false manuscripts!

The CT used more than just 3 manuscripts. This claim is false and very easy to disprove. Here is page 58 from Novum Testamentum Graece Nestle–Aland 27 edition.

Notice the heading: Consistently Cited Witnesses in the Gospel. Clearly there are more than 3 manuscripts listed.

The first star list all the papyri know at that time (i.e. 95). That number has grown to 141. All of them are consistently cited as witnesses. By the way, the number 141 is more than 3.

List of New Testament papyri - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The second, third, fourth, and fifth stars show witnesses for each of the four Gospels. Again, clearly more than 3 witnesses are cited.

Also note these two points:
(1) This is not a comprehensive list of the all the manuscripts cites. Many others are also cited just not as often.
(2) The above list concerns only manuscripts. Other sources such as Church Fathers, early versions of the New Testament, and lectionaries are also cited as witnesses.

No one should never rely on unsubstantiated claims. Always ask for concrete evidence.

 

[crossnote]

Crossnote sadly yes. Theological liberals breed like flies and have been happily corrupting students from many of our traditional Universities and bible seminaries for well over a hundred years now. View attachment 9526 Do I have reference of my allegations about Mr Kurt Alands Heretical beliefs . Yes you find in his own books ( The problem of anonymity and pseudonymity in Christian literature of the first two centuries) also ( The problem of the New Testament cannon ) It seems that Mr Aland never changed his outlook fast forward a few decades later as we find the same outlook in his 1980 or his 1985 English translation publication ( the history of Christianity ) where he shockingly and disdainfully uses his higher criticism upon the books of James, Jude, 1st & 2nd Peter. Besides that he did not believe in the inerrancy and infallibility of Gods word. He did not believe in the Apostolic authority of the 4 gospels along with many of the epistles. Actually he believed many of the NewTestament books were forgeries written by others at a latter date. He also believed that the bible must be changed and other books added to accommodate a more unified one world church. Is it wise to look up to such men Kurt Aland and others just like him to guide us with the trust worthiness of our manuscripts translations and Bibles ? View attachment 9527View attachment 9529View attachment 9528View attachment 9526 Crossnote the two papyrologists were Dr Jose O’ Callaghan and Dr Carsten Peter Thiede who latter defended and verified Dr O’ Callaghan’s findings. Both were highly respected in their fields At the same time they were on a collision course with critics like Kurt Aland who held to the belief that there was no apostolic witness account of the New Testament from Pre 70AD View attachment 9530

Maybe you should help Netch answer some of Origen 's inquiries, since you seem to have material at hand.

 

[netchaplain]

The CT used more than just 3 manuscripts. This claim is false and very easy to disprove. Here is page 58 from Novum Testamentum Graece Nestle–Aland 27 edition.

These two sources use the Westcott/Hort (which were professing occultists) text which heavily reliy on the Minority Text corrupted codices; making all the modern translations short of much Scripture (Mat 4:4); and they all use interpolations and transpositions to change many of the thought lines of the original manuscripts that once existed, which are kept unchanged due to faithful scribes and copiers.

 

[crossnote]

These need to be referenced with a modern translation by comparing them.


Totally Omitted Passages
Matthew 17:21
Matthew 18:11
Mat 23:14
Mark 7:16
Mark 9:44
Mark 9:46
Mark 11:26
Mark 15:28
Luke 23:17
Acts 24:7


List of omitted Bible phrases
3 Matthew 1:25
4 Matthew 5:22
5 Matthew 5:44
6 Matthew 6:4
7 Matthew 6:6
8 Matthew 6:13
9 Matthew 6:18
10 Matthew 9:13
11 Matthew 15:8
12 Matthew 15:6
13 Matthew 16:3
14 Matthew 16:20
15 Matthew 18:35
16 Matthew 19:9
17 Matthew 19:17
18 Matthew 20:7
19 Matthew 20:16
20 Matthew 20:22, 23
21 Matthew 21:12
22 Matthew 22:13
23 Matthew 23:4
24 Matthew 23:8
25 Matthew 23:19
26 Matthew 24:7
27 Matthew 25:13
28 Matthew 26:28
29 Matthew 26:60
30 Matthew 27:24
31 Matthew 27:35
32 Matthew 27:64
33 Matthew 28:2
34 Matthew 28:6
35 Matthew 28:9
36 Mark 1:2
37 Mark 1:14
38 Mark 1:31
39 Mark 3:15
40 Mark 4:24
41 Mark 5:36
42 Mark 6:33
43 Mark 6:11
44 Mark 6:51
45 Mark 7:8
46 Mark 8:26
47 Mark 9:23
48 Mark 9:29
49 Mark 9:45
50 Mark 9:49
51 Mark 10:21
52 Mark 10:24
53 Mark 11:10
54 Mark 12:23
55 Mark 12:29-30
56 Mark 12:33
57 Mark 13:8
58 Mark 13:33
59 Mark 13:14
60 Mark 14:22
61 Mark 14:27
62 Mark 14:68
63 Mark 14:70
64 Luke 1:28
65 Luke 2:33
66 Luke 2:40
67 Luke 2:43
68 Luke 4:8
69 Luke 4:4
70 Luke 4:18
71 Luke 4:41
72 Luke 5:38
73 Luke 6:10
74 Luke 7:31
75 Luke 8:43
76 Luke 8:48
77 Luke 8:54
78 Luke 9:10
79 Luke 9:54
80 Luke 9:55
81 Luke 9:56
82 Luke 9:57
83 Luke 10:19
84 Luke 11:2
85 Luke 11:11
86 Luke 11:29
87 Luke 11:44
88 Luke 11:54
89 Luke 12:31
90 Luke 12:39
91 Luke 17:3
92 Luke 17:9
93 Luke 18:24
94 Luke 19:45
95 Luke 20:13
96 Luke 20:30
97 Luke 20:33
98 Luke 21:4
99 Luke 22:31
100 Luke 22:64
101 Luke 22:68
102 Luke 23:23
103 Luke 23:38
104 Luke 23:42
105 Luke 24:1
106 Luke 24:42
107 Luke 24:49
108 Luke 24:53
109 John 1:14
110 John 1:18
111 John 1:27
112 John 3:13
113 John 3:15
114 John 3:16
115 John 4:42
116 John 5:16
117 John 6:11
118 John 6:47
119 John 8:9
120 John 8:59
121 John 9:35
122 John 11:41
123 John 12:1
124 John 16:16
125 John 17:12
126 John 19:16
127 John 20:29
128 Acts 2:30
129 Acts 2:31
130 Acts 3:11
131 Acts 3:26
132 Acts 7:30
133 Acts 7:37
134 Acts 9:5,6
135 Acts 10:6
136 Acts 9:29
137 Acts 10:21
138 Acts 10:30
139 Acts 15:18
140 Acts 15:24
141 Acts 15:37
142 Acts 16:31
143 Acts 17:5
144 Acts 18:17
145 Acts 18:21
146 Acts 20:15
147 Acts 20:24
148 Acts 20:25
149 Acts 20:32
150 Acts 21:8
151 Acts 21:22
152 Acts 21:25
153 Acts 22:9
154 Acts 23:9
155 Acts 24:6
156 Acts 24:8
157 Acts 24:15
158 Acts 24:26
159 Acts 25:16
160 Acts 26:30
161 Acts 28:16
162 Romans 1:16
163 Romans 8:1
164 Romans 9:28
165 Romans 10:15
166 Romans 11:6
167 Romans 13:9
168 Romans 14:6
169 Romans 14:21
170 Romans 15:29
171 1 Corinthians 2:4
172 1 Corinthians 4:6
173 1 Corinthians 6:20
174 1 Corinthians 7:29
175 1 Corinthians 10:28
176 1 Corinthians 11:24
177 1 Corinthians 11:29
178 1 Corinthians 15:47
179 1 Corinthians 16:22-23
180 2 Corinthians 4:4
181 2 Corinthians 4:10
182 Galatians 3:1
183 Galatians 4:7
184 Galatians 5:21
185 Galatians 6:15
186 Ephesians 3:9
187 Ephesians 3:14
188 Ephesians 5:30
189 Ephesians 6:10
190 Philippians 3:16
191 Colossians 1:2
192 Colossians 1:14
193 Colossians 2:2
194 Colossians 2:18
195 Colossians 3:6
196 1 Thessalonians 1:1
197 1 Thessalonians 5:27
198 2 Thessalonians 1:8
199 1 Timothy 3:16
200 1 Timothy 4:12
201 1 Timothy 5:16
202 1 Timothy 6:5
203 2 Timothy 1:11
204 2 Timothy 2:9
205 2 Timothy 4:22
206 Philemon 1:12
207 Titus 1:4
208 Hebrews 1:3
209 Hebrews 2:7
210 Hebrews 7:21
211 Hebrews 10:9
212 Hebrews 10:30
213 Hebrews 10:34
214 Hebrews 11:11
215 Hebrews 11:37
216 Hebrews 12:20
217 1 Peter 1:22
218 1 Peter 4:1
219 1 Peter 4:14
220 1 Peter 5:5
221 1 Peter 5:10-11
222 2 Peter 1:21
223 2 Peter 2:17
224 2 Peter 3:10
225 1 John 1:7
226 1 John 2:7
227 1 John 4:3
228 1 John 4:9
229 1 John 4:19
230 1 John 5:7,8
231 1 John 5:13
232 2 John 1:9
233 Jude 1:25
234 Revelation 1:8
235 Revelation 1:11
236 Revelation 1:20
237 Revelation 2:13
238 Revelation 2:15
239 Revelation 5:14
240 Revelation 6:1,3,5,7
241 Revelation 11:17
242 Revelation 12:12
243 Revelation 12:17
244 Revelation 14:5
245 Revelation 15:2
246 Revelation 16:17
247 Revelation 18:20
248 Revelation 20:9
249 Revelation 20:12
250 Revelation 21:24
251 Revelation 22:19

The list is long, but do you see any of these passages that change major doctrines or fortify heretical positions?

 

[netchaplain]

The list is long, but do you see any that change major doctrines or fortify heretical positions?

Glad you asked, and thanks for your site labors in the Lord Jesus! There's none most wouldn't consider too significant, but considering Christ's admonition to "live by every Word" is highly significant (Mat 4:4), esp. if it's a lot--and it is.

A simple sample of a multitude of changes, but the reader that doesn't read much won't notice: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." The thought line is that "the angel and a multitude of the heavenly host" wished upon "all" men good will, which is only what will bring peace.

All the modern translations (which have same readings for all their Bibles because they all come from the same corrupt manuscripts--primarily only three ancient codices) have “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!" Here they are restrict the angel's blessing of of good will only to those God is pleased with; big difference to me and it is an interpolation of adding words not found in most manuscripts (Majority Text, so named because it involves most of all manuscript copies which the Minority Text doesn't go by).

Another error is "no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." The words "which is in heaven" is omitted in all these false Bibles, which detracts from the Deity of Christ's omnipresence, being in heaven while on earth.

These are examples of hundreds of changed phrases that could be used to encourage and enlighten the reader.

 

[crossnote]

Glad you asked, and thanks for your site labors in the Lord Jesus! There's none most wouldn't consider too significant, but considering Christ's admonition to "live by every Word" is highly significant (Mat 4:4), esp. if it's a lot--and it is.

A simple sample of a multitude of changes, but the reader that doesn't read much won't notice: "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." The thought line is that "the angel and a multitude of the heavenly host" wished upon "all" men good will, which is only what will bring peace.

All the modern translations (which have same readings for all their Bibles because they all come from the same corrupt manuscripts--primarily only three ancient codices) have “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!" Here they are restrict the angel's blessing of of good will only to those God is pleased with; big difference to me and it is an interpolation of adding words not found in most manuscripts (Majority Text, so named because it involves most of all manuscript copies which the Minority Text doesn't go by).

Another error is "no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven." The words "which is in heaven" is omitted in all these false Bibles, which detracts from the Deity of Christ's omnipresence, being in heaven while on earth.

These are examples of hundreds of changed phrases that could be used to encourage and enlighten the reader.

Ok, thank you. I asked because the way some represent the manuscript differences, you’d think there was a sinister underground conspiracy to covertly change the text to lead the Church down the path of eternal error.
But apparently they aren’t doing a very good job (so far) since there are no major shifts in doctrine due to the more recent manuscript findings.

 

[Prim90]

Ok, thank you. I asked because the way some represent the manuscript differences, you’d think there was a sinister underground conspiracy to covertly change the text to lead the Church down the path of eternal error.
But apparently they aren’t doing a very good job (so far) since there are no major shifts in doctrine due to the more recent manuscript findings.

Crossnote conspiracy’s happen everyday. You don’t think there might just be a few conspiracy’s against the word of God. You think their doing a bad job. Maybe because they’ve still have that old black & white Authorised version to keep them in check. I wonder how quickly things might accelerate once that old King James Bible is finally out of the way . You might be in for the shock of your life. Were Westcott & Horts intentions honourable, NO Were Count Tiscehdorfs intentions honourable. NO. But we do know they all had a deep resentment against the King James Bible. They simply wanted change . Tiscendorfs entire mission was to seek out older or whatever manuscripts he could find or maybe even fakes. The question we must ask ourselves was there really anything wrong with the King James Bible doctrinally to warrant such change A whole new translation. NO

 

[netchaplain]

Ok, thank you. I asked because the way some represent the manuscript differences, you’d think there was a sinister underground conspiracy to covertly change the text to lead the Church down the path of eternal error. But apparently they aren’t doing a very good job (so far) since there are no major shifts in doctrine due to the more recent manuscript findings.

There has been a sinister plot against the spiritual growth of the Christian (this issue can't effect one's salvation, only growth from it) since Satan began his first attack on God's Word by saying, "Ye hath God said" (Gen 3:1). The translation issue can't effect your salvation, but the lack in reading Scripture will effect your spiritual growth.

The recent discovery of corrupt manuscripts (Vaticanus and Sinaiticus) has made quite a change in many of their passages of their translations.

One sample of many corrupted passages is "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." This is an angels blessing to all people to have peace and good will toward all.

The corrupted translations all say “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!" This is not only changing the genuine thought line but limiting the angels blessing to only those who please God, and not to all. Pretty big mistake, which is only one of very many passage changes like this one.

Another significant change is in Jn 3:13, which is supposed to read, "no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven." In the modern translations omit the phrase "which is in heaven," which detracts from the Deity of Christ's omnipresence, being in heaven while on earth.

None of the modern translations can lay claim to containing the plenary inspiration of Scripture; they have hundreds of omissions of the Word (Jn 3:13).



Nestle-Aland, who uses the false manuscripts to derive their source from the works of Westcott and Hort, who published their source from 1853-1881, were occultists.

"Along with Bishop Edward White Benson, Westcott and Hort founded the Ghostly Guild. This club was designed to investigate ghosts and super- natural appearances. The club was based upon the idea that such spirits actually exist and appear to men. According to The Encyclopedia of Occultism and Parapsvchologv, the members of the Ghostly Club would "relate personal experiences concerned with ghosts.

This club would eventually become the Society for Psychical Research. According to James Webb in The Occult Underground and W.H. Solter, The S.P.R. - An Outline of It's History, this club became a major factor in the rise of spiritualism among the elite of English society in the late 1800's. Many leading occult figures belonged to the Society." part XI, 3rd and 4th paragraph

The Westcott and Hort Only Controversy

 

[crossnote]

One sample of many corrupted passages is "Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men." This is an angels blessing to all people to have peace and good will toward all.

The corrupted translations all say “Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!" This is not only changing the genuine thought line but limiting the angels blessing to only those who please God, and not to all. Pretty big mistake, which is only one of very many passage changes like this one.

Luke 2:14 KJV
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Luke 2:14 NKJV
"Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!"


Luke 2:14 ESV
"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!"

Luke 2:14 NASB95
"Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."

Luke 2:14 CSB
Glory to God in the highest heaven, and peace on earth to people he favors!

Luke 2:14 NLT
"Glory to God in highest heaven, and peace on earth to those with whom God is pleased."

Luke 2:14 BSB (Berean Standard Bible)
“Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests!”

Luke 2:14 LSB
“Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”

Luke 2:14 AMPC
Glory to God in the highest [heaven], and on earth peace among men with whom He is well pleased [men of goodwill, of His favor].

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I guess I just don't see where it would stunt my growth, nor do I see a conspiracy behind any of the translations (newer or older).

 

[crossnote]

Crossnote conspiracy’s happen everyday. You don’t think there might just be a few conspiracy’s against the word of God. You think their doing a bad job. Maybe because they’ve still have that old black & white Authorised version to keep them in check. I wonder how quickly things might accelerate once that old King James Bible is finally out of the way . You might be in for the shock of your life. Were Westcott & Horts intentions honourable, NO Were Count Tiscehdorfs intentions honourable. NO. But we do know they all had a deep resentment against the King James Bible. They simply wanted change . Tiscendorfs entire mission was to seek out older or whatever manuscripts he could find or maybe even fakes. The question we must ask ourselves was there really anything wrong with the King James Bible doctrinally to warrant such change A whole new translation. NO

Many unbelievers do have a deep resentment against Scripture, but I find no proof of a conspiracy of academics, just a lot of ad hominem attacks against individuals by Christians, which I would leave to the academicians to check one another's translational work.

 

[netchaplain]

Luke 2:14 KJV
Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men.

Luke 2:14 NKJV
"Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace, goodwill toward men!"


Luke 2:14 ESV
"Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace among those with whom he is pleased!"

Luke 2:14 NASB95
"Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased."

Luke 2:14 CSB
Glory to God in the highest heaven, and peace on earth to people he favors!

Luke 2:14 NLT
"Glory to God in highest heaven, and peace on earth to those with whom God is pleased."

Luke 2:14 BSB (Berean Standard Bible)
“Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace to men on whom His favor rests!”

Luke 2:14 LSB
“Glory to God in the highest, And on earth peace among men with whom He is pleased.”

Luke 2:14 AMPC
Glory to God in the highest [heaven], and on earth peace among men with whom He is well pleased [men of goodwill, of His favor].

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I guess I just don't see where it would stunt my growth, nor do I see a conspiracy behind any of the translations (newer or older).

The readings are presented much differently. One wishes peace to all people and the other doesn't.

 

[crossnote]

The readings are presented much differently. One wishes peace to all people and the other doesn't.

MK

 

[Prim90]

Many unbelievers do have a deep resentment against Scripture, but I find no proof of a conspiracy of academics, just a lot of ad hominem attacks against individuals by Christians, which I would leave to the academicians to check one another's translational work.

You say ( Many unbelievers do have a deep resentment against Scripture) Very true. Especially the chaff that lives amongst the wheat or amongst the Church. As to ( ad hominem ?attacks against individuals by Christians ) you think you’ll leave that up to academics to evaluate each other’s translational work. Well plenty of chaff amongst the academic world too. You find no proofs of a conspiracy. Conspiracy’s encompass our world from time immemorial. The Bolshevik uprising, the French Revolution all the way back to the Lucifian conspiracy in the garden and also in heaven. No proofs of the possibility of a biblical conspiracy according to Crossnote : ) Well talk about proofs of a conspiracy. A very famous book I do recall .

 

[Origen]

These two sources use the Westcott/Hort

First, modern scholars\translators do not use the WH text. They use the Novum Testamentum Graece, Nestle–Aland 28 edition and\or The Greek New Testament, United Bible Society 5th edition.

Second, they discuss\examine more than two sources. Pages xii-lii covers manuscripts, early version, patristic sources, and they even note printed editions.

The New Testament in the original Greek : Westcott, Brooke Foss, 1825-1901 : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

cii p., 1 l., [1], 3-539, 3-539, [1] p. 22 cm

archive.org

(which were professing occultists)

Your claim is just an another example of the fallacy poisoning the well. The evidence for such claims is down right dishonest.

Westcott and Hort Resource Centre - FAQs

Westcott and the Ghostlie Guild

Reprinted from Target

I have actually track primary down sources in order to check the veracity of the claims against theses men. Have YOU? Never mind, we both know the answer to that.

You could start here:

Life and letters of Brooke Foss Westcott : Arthur Westcott : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

archive.org

and they all use interpolations and transpositions to change many of the thought lines of the original manuscripts that once existed, which are kept unchanged due to faithful scribes and copiers.

Again. as I have point out, the Majority omits word, phrases, and verses. The MJ and TR are not identical. The TR has material not found in the MT. Often the CT and the MT agree with each and against the TR.

In other words, the same type of things happen in the MT and TR. Yet when I provide examples you simply ignore those facts.

 

[Origen]

Another significant change is in Jn 3:13, which is supposed to read, "no man hath ascended up to heaven, but He that came down from heaven, even the Son of Man which is in heaven." In the modern translations omit the phrase "which is in heaven," which detracts from the Deity of Christ's omnipresence, being in heaven while on earth.

I have a question. Why is this a problem for you but Acts 8:37 (a verse missing from the Majority Text) is not a problem for you?

Verse 37, Philip said, “If you believe with all your heart, you may.” He answered, “I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.”, is missing from the Majority Text.

 

[Origen]

Many unbelievers do have a deep resentment against Scripture, but I find no proof of a conspiracy of academics, just a lot of ad hominem attacks against individuals by Christians, which I would leave to the academicians to check one another's translational work.

I agree 100%. And that is just what academics do. We don't have to trust Wescott and Hort nor Nestle and Aland. It is possible to check the reading of dozens and dozens and dozens of manuscripts online.

https://manuscripts.csntm.org/

Moreover, there are numerous evangelical scholars\translators who are believers. One would have to believe that every scholar\translator who had a hand in a modern translation is either lying or incompetent.

 

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Moreover, there are numerous evangelical scholars\translators who are believers. One would have to believe that every scholar\translator who had a hand in a modern translation is either lying or incompetent.

Or is part of a greater conspiracy.