Loving God But Hating "some" Others?

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Is it possible to Love God yet hate others?
no it is not possible.

Are those prayers getting past the ceiling?
prayers are all heard. But some prayers are not answered because they were asked with wrong intentions.

Is it possible this is what Jesus was referring to when He said; "Depart from Me you who practice lawlessness."?
no it is not what Jesus talks about
Matt 7:21 is talking about people who use his name, go to church, heal people, drive out demons etc will be denied!
The only way to be accepted is to obey his commands- read your bible and do what it says.

the person you know is very devoted just like me. But no point in her just reading the bible 24/7 without DOING what it says.
How can one read bible like Matthew 5 teachings how Jesus instructed us to love our neighbours or not to point out a fault in a brother's eye? If the person does not do these things therefore he is not obeying the commands!


and many of the scriptures you posted do not relate to what you are talking about.


but to answer the main question.
No it is not possible to hate others if you love God because God is love.
In fact I used to love country cultures and things.
But since I was saved, I love people more!

but your definition of HATING others may vary in context.
could it be-
*hating people who dress like hoes?
*hating people who cause others to stumble?
*hating terrorist who kill mass people?
etc

it is better not to hate.
Let us all just keep asking Father to forgive us our sins.
it is the same many of us constantly judge to some extent. Even though judging is a sin and the measurement of how we judge others will be done to us too.
 
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but your definition of HATING others may vary in context.
could it be-
*hating people who dress like hoes?
*hating people who cause others to stumble?
*hating terrorist who kill mass people?
Actually, according to the bible, hatred is indifference and we see this with absalom and amnon.
2 Samuel 13:22
And Absalom spake unto his brother Amnon neither good nor bad: for Absalom hated Amnon, because he had forced his sister Tamar.


the person you know is very devoted just like me. But no point in her just reading the bible 24/7 without DOING what it says.
What are His commands?
Agape God and agape people.

and many of the scriptures you posted do not relate to what you are talking about.
Actually everything i posted is either in direct context or subcontext to the subject matter of the post.

Blessings,

His servant

PS It might be a good idea to give your opinion rather than tell others what their opinions are or what they mean.
Just a thought.
 
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What are His commands?
everything Jesus and God commanded!

*love your God with your heart
*love your neighbour
*those 2 are part of 10 commandments therefore we are to obey 10 commandments
*obey Jesus teachings in his ministries from all 4 Gospel
 
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everything Jesus and God commanded!

*love your God with your heart
*love your neighbour
*those 2 are part of 10 commandments therefore we are to obey 10 commandments
*obey Jesus teachings in his ministries from all 4 Gospel
Not so.

John 13:34
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "

We as Christians are to be known for our love, not the keeping of the 10 Commandments.

Ephesians 2:8-9.....
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast."
 
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Not so.

John 13:34
"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. "

We as Christians are to be known for our love, not the keeping of the 10 Commandments.

Ephesians 2:8-9.....
"For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, 9 not of works, lest anyone should boast."
i know.
in the end...obeying the word from the bible is acknowledging the new command Jesus gave.

I mean didn't Jesus say
"if you love me you will obey my commands"
or
"if you follow my teachings you are really my disciples"
 
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no it is not possible.


prayers are all heard. But some prayers are not answered because they were asked with wrong intentions.


no it is not what Jesus talks about
Matt 7:21 is talking about people who use his name, go to church, heal people, drive out demons etc will be denied!
The only way to be accepted is to obey his commands- read your bible and do what it says.

the person you know is very devoted just like me. But no point in her just reading the bible 24/7 without DOING what it says.
How can one read bible like Matthew 5 teachings how Jesus instructed us to love our neighbours or not to point out a fault in a brother's eye? If the person does not do these things therefore he is not obeying the commands!


and many of the scriptures you posted do not relate to what you are talking about.


but to answer the main question.
No it is not possible to hate others if you love God because God is love.
In fact I used to love country cultures and things.
But since I was saved, I love people more!

but your definition of HATING others may vary in context.
could it be-
*hating people who dress like hoes?
*hating people who cause others to stumble?
*hating terrorist who kill mass people?
etc

it is better not to hate.
Let us all just keep asking Father to forgive us our sins.
it is the same many of us constantly judge to some extent. Even though judging is a sin and the measurement of how we judge others will be done to us too.

I will have to question Xino's comment of ........................
"no it is not what Jesus talks about
Matt 7:21 is talking about people who use his name, go to church, heal people, drive out demons etc will be denied!
The only way to be accepted is to obey his commands- read your bible and do what it says."

With all due respect to you Xino.........Matt. 7:21-23 IS NOT REFERRING to believers today.
Every believer, living or dead will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air.

NONE will hear the Lord say, "Depart from me".

This passage has particular referrence to the Great Tribulation Period and the Millennium. This is the place to suggest that the Sermon on the Mount will have a particular meaning for the remnant during the Great Trib.

Also, I would add that there is a needed warning here for professing church members, in fact for all believers. People talk enthusiastically about certain so called miracle workers today and say.................

"You can tell that God is with them".

In light of the verse in question, can we be sure of that??????

The name of Jesus is on the lips of many people who are leaders of cults and false religions and "ISMS".
Just to use the name of Christ and the Bible is not proof that a certain system is in fact genuine. It is not the outward profession but the inward relationship to a crucified but living Savior that is important.
 
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i know.
in the end...obeying the word from the bible is acknowledging the new command Jesus gave.

I mean didn't Jesus say
"if you love me you will obey my commands"
or
"if you follow my teachings you are really my disciples"
John 14:15 says..............
“If you love me, keep my commands".

John 8:31......................
"Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed".

Yes He did. BUT keep in mind that Jesus was not speaking there of the Law of Moses but of His own commandments which include all of His moral teachings during His earthly ministry, especially the truth expounded in the Sermon on the Mount.

WHAT THEN ARE ACTUALLY THE COMMANDMENTS OF JESUS????
His commandments are the entire revelation of His divine will. He came into the world to do the will of the Father.

Mark 11:22
"Have faith in God"

John 8:1
"Believe in Me".

Matt. 22:34
"Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart and all thy soul and with all thy mind."

Matt. 22:35
"And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as theyself".

The law of God, the will of God, yea the commandment of God is that we love Him first and best and our neighbor as ourself. When we love with that kind of love, there is no need for concern about the other commandments in either the Old or New Test.
 
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no it is not possible.


prayers are all heard. But some prayers are not answered because they were asked with wrong intentions.


no it is not what Jesus talks about
Matt 7:21 is talking about people who use his name, go to church, heal people, drive out demons etc will be denied!
The only way to be accepted is to obey his commands- read your bible and do what it says.

the person you know is very devoted just like me. But no point in her just reading the bible 24/7 without DOING what it says.
How can one read bible like Matthew 5 teachings how Jesus instructed us to love our neighbours or not to point out a fault in a brother's eye? If the person does not do these things therefore he is not obeying the commands!


and many of the scriptures you posted do not relate to what you are talking about.


but to answer the main question.
No it is not possible to hate others if you love God because God is love.
In fact I used to love country cultures and things.
But since I was saved, I love people more!

but your definition of HATING others may vary in context.
could it be-
*hating people who dress like hoes?
*hating people who cause others to stumble?
*hating terrorist who kill mass people?
etc

it is better not to hate.
Let us all just keep asking Father to forgive us our sins.
it is the same many of us constantly judge to some extent. Even though judging is a sin and the measurement of how we judge others will be done to us too.
I do not intend to be argumenitive, but doesn't God hate?????

Shouldn't we consider all the characteristics of God of as to have a clear and proper understanding?

Just asking.

1. Homosexual acts (Leviticus 18:22).
2. Bestiality (Leviticus 18:23)
3. Idols, and the materials used to make idols (Deuteronomy 7:25)
4. Blemished sacrifices (Deuteronomy 17:1)
5. Worshipping the sun, moon or stars (Deuteronomy 17:3-4)
6. Divination (Deuteronomy 18:10)
7. Astrology (Deuteronomy 18:10)
8. Enchanters (Deuteronomy 18:10)
9. Witches (Deuteronomy 18:10)
10. Charmers (Deuteronomy 18:11)
11. Wizards (Deuteronomy 18:11)
12. Necromancers (Deuteronomy 18:11)
13. Transvestitism (Deuteronomy 22:5)
14. The hire of a whore (Deuteronomy 23:18)
15. Remarriage to a former wife after she has been married to another man (Deuteronomy 24:4)
16. Dishonest scales (Deuteronomy 25:13-16)
17. Workers of iniquity (Psalm 5:5)
18. The wicked (Psalm 11:5)
19. Those who love violence (Psalm 11:5)
20. The froward [perverse] (Proverbs 3:32)
21. A proud look (Proverbs 6:16-17)
22. A lying tongue (Proverbs 6:17)
23. Hands that shed innocent blood (Proverbs 6:17)
24. A heart that devises wicked imaginations (Proverbs 6:18)
25. Feet that are swift in running to mischief (Proverbs 6:18)
26. A false witness who speaks lies (Proverbs 6:19)
27. Anyone who sows discord among brethren (Proverbs 6:19)
28. Lying lips (Proverbs 12:22)
29. The sacrifices of the wicked (Proverbs 15:8)
30. The ways of the wicked (Proverbs 15:9)
31. The thoughts of the wicked (Proverbs 15:26)
32. The proud in heart (Proverbs 16:5)
33. Those who justify the wicked (Proverbs 17:15)
34. Those who condemn the just (Proverbs 17:15)
35. Vain sacrifices (Isaiah 1:13)
36. Feasts as Israel celebrated them (Isaiah 1:14)
37. Robbery for burnt offering (Isaiah 61:8)
38. Idolatry (Jeremiah 44:2-4)
39. Evil plans against neighbors (Zechariah 8:17)
40. False oaths (Zechariah 8:17)
41. Esau (Malachi 1:1-3; Romans 9:13)
[Actually, it’s "Jacob have I loved, and Esau have I hated" -ed.]
42. Divorce (Malachi 2:14-16)
43. The deeds of the Nicolaitans (Revelation 2:6, 15)
And then also................."IS JUDGING OTHERS A SIN"??????

"Judge not, that ye be not judged?" This verse of Scripture from Matthew 7:1 is often quoted out of context by people who are terrified at the idea of someone preaching against sin or pointing out any form of error in anyone, especially in themselves.

IMO, The truth is that God Expects Us to Judge !!

Psa. 37:30................
"The mouth of the righteous speaketh wisdom, and his tongue talketh of judgment."

A righteous person will talk of judgment. He will not REFUSE to judge. He will talk judgment.

Amos 5:14-15...........
"Seek good, and not evil, that ye may live: and so the LORD, the God of hosts, shall be with you, as ye have spoken. Hate the evil, and love the good, and establish judgment in the gate: it may be that the LORD God of hosts will be gracious unto the remnant of Joseph."

How can you hate the evil and love the good if you refuse to judge? You can't. You are SINNING when you refuse to judge.

Our generation is well described in Isaiah 59:8..............
"The way of peace they know not; and there is no judgment in their goings: they have made them crooked paths: whosoever goeth therein shall not know peace."

People have refused to judge, so there is no peace.

Paul said in I Corinthians 1:10 to .........
"be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment."

Why would Paul make such a statement if judging is wrong? In I Corinthians 2:15 Paul says,.........
"But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man."

Judging is not a sin; judging is a characteristic of being a spiritual person! Satan has been lying to us, hoping that we will NOT judge, because he knows that the right kind of judgment PLEASES God and betters our lives and Christian service.

Someone says, "But should we judge PEOPLE?" Yes, we certainly should. Paul actually REBUKES the Corinthians for NOT judging.

I Cor. 6:1-5............
"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?"

If judging is wrong, then Paul needs to confess and repent for misleading these Christians! He clearly told them to JUDGE PEOPLE.

Now I do not wish to imply that we should spend all of our time judging. Sometimes people judge when they have no business doing so. In John 7:24 Jesus tells us to judge RIGHTEOUS judgment. This can only be done by following the rules that God has established in His word.
 
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@major

due respect to you too:p

on your first reply, you say many false leaders use the word Jesus on their lips.
so a question, if these people use evil source though still use the word Jesus, how can one tell by their fruits?
if it's a pastor you rarely know, how can one tell if he's legit or not?

but from my view and understanding, Matt 7:21 is for everyone, none believers and even believers. Especially for the OSAS (once saved always saved) people.

@Major reply 2

how do you know Jesus wasn't speaking of his own commands? who is Jesus? isn't Jesus God?
if he is God, didn't God gave the 10 commandments to Moses?
How do you love God? by keeping his commands. How do you love Jesus? by keeping both the commands (10 commandments) and his own teachings (which he gave in Matthew 5 to 7).

You quoted Love thy God with all your heart, mind and soul.
But that command was already in the Old Laws.

same goes to the Love your neighbour as yourself scripture, all in old laws.
They were never a new command Jesus gave.
Deuteronomy 5:10
"but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."
Deuteronomy 6:5-6
"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength. 6 These commandments that I give you today are to be on your hearts."

Leviticus 19:18
"‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbour as yourself. I am the Lord."

As you can see, those two commandments were already in the old law.
Even teachers and experts of the law came to Jesus asking him how to enter heaven or have eternal life. They listed those old law commandments, Jesus was humble and listening with the expression of "hmmm...go on".
And then he gave one of his teachings to the rich man, telling him to sell his riches and give to poor. That's an example of his teachings in Matthew 5 to Matthew 7 (matt 6: giving to the needy). Which is exactly what the disciples did in Acts 3, sharing with the poor in the church. Which was exactly what Jesus taught.
Also linking to the Beatitudes, "blessed are the poor for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven". In fact, this beatitude was already mentioned as well in old testament!

Remember, during Jesus ministry, people were quoting the bible because they used the Old Testament has their biblical times. While we use both the Old and New testament in today.



@Major reply 3

again the Judging topic is something that needs to be looked into!

there are 3 definition of judging!
one is Judging someone by heart- basically you see someone in the street by the way they dress and you start to make your judgement call by saying "he's a gaylord, he's a gangster, he's a molester" etc. Without actually talking to the person and knowing why he dressed like that.


the second judging is by account/justice- if someone has done something wrong, and in order to get justice, that person must be judged for the bad thing he did.

The third judging is when you make a judgement call based on right and wrong decision. If you are driving, you would have to make judgement calls of when to stop, break, turn etc.

Paul actually dresses on this subject, and he did encourage us to judge INSIDE the church.

but this topic of judging is another subject for me I wouldn't look too deep into. There are other important subjects I must find out first from bible.
This will be least!


and I like how you took the bible out of context, saying how can we know what is good nor evil without judging, and preceded to say we are sinning. So from your view, if we don't judge to know right/wrong, therefore it is a sin? you've got to be kidding me.

In fact I remember having this discussion at a bible study, I can't remember if it was after I made this post or before this post.

But I was saying that we do have to judge things if we want to be cautious.

LUke 6:37
"“Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven."

Like I said, 3 types of Judging meaning.
The judging of sinning that will be measured onto you is the sin judging which Luke 6:37 is talking about.

Judging of right and wrong is what Paul is talking about, the one we have to use.
Same goes to judging someone at church for justice, which Paul told us to do so.

even Jesus was trying to indicate we should use are judging in the church, this is why Jesus did not use the word "judge" not to use the judging for wrong intentions.
Matthew 18:15
"“If your brother or sister[b] sins,[c] go and point out their fault, just between the two of you. If they listen to you, you have won them over. 16 But if they will not listen, take one or two others along, so that ‘every matter may be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.’[d] 17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector."


And yes Jesus did say we should judge with right judgement, which should be FROM the heart.
Again he told us that we can only know (JUDGE) people's fruit by what they bare.


Even though the bible does not say judging is a sin. Reading the do's and don'ts in bible makes sense not to mis judge!
If you judge someone because it's not a sin, couldn't it make you a hypocrite and to condemn yourself?

Romans 2:1
"You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things."

Also it says, how ever you judge, the same measure will be judged unto you.

Romans 2:3
"So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment?"

Again...more point to prove that there are 3 types of judging.
1- judging by heart to define right/wrong
2- judging by justice
3. judging by wrong heart, hate/condemnation/hypocrisy


In the end Jesus did not want us to judge each other or kill each other because of people's wrong, because he will give us justice on Judgement Day.

For an example, if you are going to judge a brother for hating, and you do the same. It brands you a liar and hypocrite, and Jesus will use the same judging method you used against that brother on you.
Romans 14:10
"You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister[a]? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat."

romans 14:13
"Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister."

1 Corinthians 2:15
"The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,"

As you can see...point proven again! It is our spirit that allows us to make right/wrong judgements. But we cannot go around passing judgement around.
For an example, I've seen many people quickly jump the boat and guns saying "oh, your doctrine is false", "where did you get this wrong doctrine from" etc (sadly, I used to be like that).
Who are we to judge other's teaching from the bible? how do we know what we teach is even right/wrong?
these kinds of judging can condemn us.


1 corinthians 4:3
" I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself."

You can see the 2 types of judging identified here:
*judging in heart from people, which Paul didn't care what they thought about him at heart
*judging justice from court

1 corinthians 4:4-5
"My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me.5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes. He will bring to lightwhat is hidden in darkness and will expose the motives of the heart. At that time each will receive their praise from God."

As you can see...this is why it is important to really look DEEP into this subject.
Paul said we shouldn't judge, yet instructed us we should judge in church. So which should we do?
there are 3 types of judging.


This is the passage Paul encourages us to judge:
1 corinthians 5
" It is actually reported that there is sexual immorality among you, and of a kind that even pagans do not tolerate: A man is sleeping with his father’s wife. 2 And you are proud! Shouldn’t you rather have gone into mourning and have put out of your fellowship the man who has been doing this? 3 For my part, even though I am not physically present, I am with you in spirit. As one who is present with you in this way, I have already passed judgment in the name of our Lord Jesus on the one who has been doing this. 4 So when you are assembled and I am with you in spirit, and the power of our Lord Jesus is present, 5 hand this man over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh,[a][b] so that his spirit may be saved on the day of the Lord.......
What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside?13 God will judge those outside. “Expel the wicked person from among you."

This judging Paul encourages us to do is the justice. Which Jesus told us to do so about a brother committing a sin at church and you should take witnesses.

This is an example of judging right/wrong
1 corinthinas 11:13
" Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?"

Example of judging with bad heart
"4 have you not discriminated among yourselves and become judges with evil thoughts?"

Again:/
James 4:11
"Brothers and sisters, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against a brother or sister[a] or judges them speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it."

James 4:12
"There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?"







As you can see...in the end.
Judge meaning:
  1. A public official appointed to decide cases in a court of law
  2. A person who decides the results of a competition
  3. An official at a sports contest who watches for infractions of the rules
  4. A person able or qualified to give an opinion on something
    • she was a good judge of character
1. You judge someone in the court for a crime
2.3. You judge by what is right and wrong
4. You judge based on opinion without having right/wrong or fact/justice.


what does the bible say about Judging?
*Yes we are to judge the world and things around us what is right or wrong.
Make your judgement if you should celebrate Halloween, if it's right or wrong
or Make your judgement to watch a violent/sexual movie, if t's right or wrong

*Yes we are to judge ONLY what it is our church based on court law.
If a brother/sister is spreading false Gospel and bad things about church, you have to consult with witnesses, if that person doesn't listen. Take the matter to whole church. If that person doesn't listen, then everyone will be held accountable for the right judging to expel that person off the church.

*No we are NOT to judge brothers/sisters/others/world based on the things they do!
You see an unbeliever who fornicate all the time, we have no right to judge them or call them sinners, because we are and once were in that position.
You see a brother to likes to admiral women's body, you have no right to judge him of what he does. What about you? do you think of sexual things in your head?


So it's easy.
Judge what is right and wrong.
Judge when brother/sister is causing problem in the church
do not judge a brother on things they do, how they read the bible or how they worship on certain days.
 
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Xino............

I will shorten my responce to your post.

1.
Through TIME and by reading the Word of God and the Holy Spirit in us. I have never been deceived by a Pastor/Preacher. When I hear something non-Biblical spoken as truth, I ask questions.
If they do not preach the Word of God then they are preaching their own words and through TIME those errros will become evident to anyone who is looking for the truth to be spoken.

2.
I understand your thinking and the fact is that it is a very common thinking my friend. BUT, it is also joining Law with Grace.

Now you asked......"How do I know Jesus was speaking of a new command?'

Because He said so.


3.
You said............
"and I like how you took the bible out of context, saying how can we know what is good nor evil without judging, and preceded to say we are sinning. So from your view, if we don't judge to know right/wrong, therefore it is a sin? you've got to be kidding me."

Are you sure I said that???

But, what that says is correct my friend. EVERTHING we do in life is a judgment is it not?????

I encourage you to think this out a little bit more.
 
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Xino stated about judging.........................

what does the bible say about Judging?
*Yes we are to judge the world and things around us what is right or wrong.
Make your judgement if you should celebrate Halloween, if it's right or wrong
or Make your judgement to watch a violent/sexual movie, if t's right or wrong

IT seems we in fact agree don't we. Our lives are all about judgments and you just confirmed what I said. Now we can call them "choices" but there are in fact judments.

*Yes we are to judge ONLY what it is our church based on court law.
If a brother/sister is spreading false Gospel and bad things about church, you have to consult with witnesses, if that person doesn't listen. Take the matter to whole church. If that person doesn't listen, then everyone will be held accountable for the right judging to expel that person off the church.

Again we are in agreement. That once again is an act of judgment.

*No we are NOT to judge brothers/sisters/others/world based on the things they do!
You see an unbeliever who fornicate all the time, we have no right to judge them or call them sinners, because we are and once were in that position.
You see a brother to likes to admiral women's body, you have no right to judge him of what he does. What about you? do you think of sexual things in your head?

NOPE, I can not agree with this. It is just the opposite.

John 12:46...........
"I am come a light into the world that whosoever believeth on me SHOULD NOT ABIDE IN DARKNESS."

You said..............
"If we observe an unbeliever in fornication, we have no right to judge them or call them sinners."

So what do we do then.......ignore their sin?????

John 9:39....
"And Jesus said....For JUDGMENT I am come into this world that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind".

Verse 41,,,,
"Jesus said unto them....If ye were blind ye should have no sin; but now ye say, we see, therefore your sin remains".

Your advice then is to ignore the sin and let the sinner go on his way. IF a man is not convicted or told about his sin condition, how will he then be saved?

2 Tim. 4:2
"Preach the Word, be instant in season, out of season, reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine".

Now, do I think of sexual things? I am a man so the answer is YES, just as is your answer. BUT that is why I married my wife my good friend, and because I am saved, God forgives me of any lustful thought that creep into my mind which is outside of the bond of marriage.
 
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1. So you haven't come across a time someone has preached something wrong?
ok how about this.
i believe the baptism people/churches are practising today are all John's baptism of repentance.
John baptised in water and Jesus baptised with Holy Spirit. Yet people are baptising others in water which is basically John's.
what do you think?:p

2. Because he said so? no it's an assumption with no evidence. Jesus is God, therefore if he is God, the commandments he gave Moses are to be abided.
Seriously what is the point in even having the bible of Old Testament if people claim we don't have to follow it? completely retarded to me if you ask me :confused:. (i meant no offence).
It's like going to school and you are giving a school journal planner, and teachers tell you that you don't need to use it. So what's the point in giving them out, or us needing them?


@Major reply #2
yes I agree that we have to make judgement calls based on decision, but like I said, there are 3 definition of judging so it depends. Just like how there are different forms of baptism, just because bible uses the word baptism doesn't mean it is always related to water immersion.

You said..............
"If we observe an unbeliever in fornication, we have no right to judge them or call them sinners."

So what do we do then.......ignore their sin?????
Major, this is exactly what Jesus was talking about, about the speck in the eye of a brother and one big one in yours. We are to first remove the big speck in our eyes BEFORE removing a brother's speck.
My example was straight forward and clear. If a brother (doesn't have to be a bro from church, can be from the street) watches a woman walking by and starts to think of sexual thoughts. Before telling that brother what he does is wrong, do you do anything similar? do you watch porn? do you masturbate? do you look at women lustfully?
if all NO, then you can correct and rebuke that brother.
It's just like me, I saw my brother using Jesus name in vain and I told him not to do that because it's a sin. I told him before I don't do it and I dislike it.

Your advice then is to ignore the sin and let the sinner go on his way. IF a man is not convicted or told about his sin condition, how will he then be saved?
who are we to judge what others do? it would mean we are a hypocrite if we warn 1 brother and ignore the 99%.
If you are going to tell a brother the sins he does is wrong, shouldn't you start telling everyone else the same?
this is another form of hypocrisy.
For an example, 2 brothers were playing in the sand and throwing sand at people. The father comes and tells older brother not to throw sand at people, and father walks off. Obviously the older brother will complain to the father so that he should say the same to the younger brother.

This is also called equality.

Jesus is the one that will judge the ones who do wrong, we are not to be the one to judge or condemn. We only do so IN the church.
Being gay is wrong, if you tell one brother is it wrong to be gay, therefore you should and must tell everyone you see that being gay is wrong.
 
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@Major

1. So you haven't come across a time someone has preached something wrong?
ok how about this.
i believe the baptism people/churches are practising today are all John's baptism of repentance.
John baptised in water and Jesus baptised with Holy Spirit. Yet people are baptising others in water which is basically John's.
what do you think?:p

2. Because he said so? no it's an assumption with no evidence. Jesus is God, therefore if he is God, the commandments he gave Moses are to be abided.
Seriously what is the point in even having the bible of Old Testament if people claim we don't have to follow it? completely retarded to me if you ask me :confused:. (i meant no offence).
It's like going to school and you are giving a school journal planner, and teachers tell you that you don't need to use it. So what's the point in giving them out, or us needing them?


@Major reply #2
yes I agree that we have to make judgement calls based on decision, but like I said, there are 3 definition of judging so it depends. Just like how there are different forms of baptism, just because bible uses the word baptism doesn't mean it is always related to water immersion.



Major, this is exactly what Jesus was talking about, about the speck in the eye of a brother and one big @ss one in yours. We are to first remove the big speck in our eyes BEFORE removing a brother's speck.
My example was straight forward and clear. If a brother (doesn't have to be a bro from church, can be from the street) watches a woman walking by and starts to think of sexual thoughts. Before telling that brother what he does is wrong, do you do anything similar? do you watch porn? do you masturbate? do you look at women lustfully?
if all NO, then you can correct and rebuke that brother.
It's just like me, I saw my brother using Jesus name in vain and I told him not to do that because it's a sin. I told him before I don't do it and I dislike it.



who are we to judge what others do? it would mean we are a hypocrite if we warn 1 brother and ignore the 99%.
If you are going to tell a brother the sins he does is wrong, shouldn't you start telling everyone else the same?
this is another form of hypocrisy.
For an example, 2 brothers were playing in the sand and throwing sand at people. The father comes and tells older brother not to throw sand at people, and father walks off. Obviously the older brother will complain to the father so that he should say the same to the younger brother.

This is also called equality.

Jesus is the one that will judge the ones who do wrong, we are not to be the one to judge or condemn. We only do so IN the church.
Being gay is wrong, if you tell one brother is it wrong to be gay, therefore you should and must tell everyone you see that being gay is wrong.

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I didn't say I had not heard someone preach error. I said, "I havent been deceived." I have heard a lot of preachers say wrong things which is different than being fooled to believe them.

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IMO we make a lot more than just 3 judgments, and I will leave it at that as I have already spoken to that situation.

3.
This is not the Dr. Phil show. The truth is NO< NO NO!

But that is not the point at all. We make judgments because we are human beings, and it has nothing to do with equality IMO. Being fair has nothing to do with it.

I sugest reading 1 Tim.5:19-21.
"Them that sin REBUKE BEFORE ALL that others also may fear. I charge thee before Jesus Christ snf the elect angels that thou observe these things without preferring one before another doing nothing by partiality."