'And because iniquity shall abound,Since agape love only applies to believers, then what are we being saved from. Does wax cold mean to quench. Are we being saved from war. - ATP
So the believers who aren't enduring to the end experience the wrath of God? The agape love in Matt 24:12?So the gospel message if it is to be effective, must include the warning of the wrath of God also, for that is what what we, who have entered the obedience of faith, are saved from:-
The first church did not lose its first love it LEFT it.Since agape love only applies to believers, then what are we being saved from. Does wax cold mean to quench. Are we being saved from war. - ATP
Believing Jews are Christians which make them part of the Bride of Christ which is the church. Therefore as a part of the church they would be Raptured as well as all the other believers who make up the Church.Maybe the OP scripture is speaking about believing Jews being saved from the destruction of Jerusalem. - ATP
Hi there, @ATP,So the believers who aren't enduring to the end experience the wrath of God? The agape love in Matt 24:12?
The Olivet Discourse in Matt 24 is about Israel in the tribulation. It has nothing to do with the church.Believing Jews are Christians which make them part of the Bride of Christ which is the church. Therefore as a part of the church they would be Raptured as well as all the other believers who make up the Church.
Does that help you???
That is true. However, your original question was.....The Olivet Discourse in Matt 24 is about Israel in the tribulation. It has nothing to do with the church.
Excellent answer my sister!Hi there, @ATP,
This has nothing to do with salvation, as we know it.
Remember, that the gospel whereby you and I were saved, had not been given when the prophecy of Matthew 24:12 was spoken by our Lord. The preaching of the Lord Jesus Christ concerned the Kingdom.
'From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say,
"Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."'
The restitution of the kingdom to Israel was the hope in view, and the reign of the Messiah. As it was later, after 40 days of teaching by the risen Christ, before His ascension, when He taught them concerning the kingdom. The question asked by His disciples was,
' ... Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?'
*This was their expectation, and their hope.
It was not until the end of the Acts period that the hope of a 'redeemed' Israel, was laid aside temporarily, because of their unbelief. By then gentiles had been grafted into the Olive tree of Israel, to make Israel jealous, and to make them desire to emulate them. Romans, Galatians, 1 & 2 Corinthians, 1& 2 Thessalonians and the book of Hebrews had been written by Paul.
It was following Israel's laying aside in unbelief that the Church of today was introduced, by God, through Paul, in the epistles written from prison. Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians, 1&2 Timothy and Titus. This is the gospel for today, built on the foundational truth of the epistle to the Romans. It concerns the Church which is His Body the fulness of Him that filleth all in all, of which He is the Head. Yet, this is the one gospel which goes unheeded, because the Word of God is not rightly-divided. The Truth made known in these later epistles of Paul is hidden among Truths (though precious) which belong to a previous dispensation.
This has gone far beyond what your question asked.
Forgive me, ATP, but this is where I stop,
I cannot mingle what God has divided.
In Christ Jesus
If you don't believe in the rapture then you have to believe Matt 24 is to us too.Where is rapture in Matt 24?
I believe in the rapture, but I'm going to be reading a book on the Olivet soon. It's complex.If you don't believe in the rapture then you have to believe Matt 24 is to us too.
I don't mind either. I do believe we will all suffer in these last days. Just not God's wrath. I don't believe any Jew who converts in the tribulation will either.
Rev 16:2 The first angel went and poured out his bowl on the land, and ugly, festering sores broke out on the people who had the mark of the beast and worshiped its image.
I am just curious as to what you believes the ''gospel of the kingdom'' that will be preached to the whole world is if Matt 24 is only to the Jews vs 14 ''And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.''