NT tithing

crossnote said:
I don't believe our 'acts' saves us, rather Jesus' perfect obedience in His death and resurrection is what saves us. Faith simply trusts that revealed fact. He is the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world.
Otherwise, how much surrender must we do in order to be saved. I just don't believe in turning 'surrender' into a work that we do, thus denigrating Christ's perfect obedience in our stead.
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Hello crossnote;

I gave some reflection on what you just said and received this Word that spoke to me. Ephesians 2:8-9, 8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and this is not your own doing, it is the gift of God— 9 not because of works, lest any man should boast. - RSV

Jesus' perfect obedience was just that, perfect obedience. How much surrender? His surrender and resurrection was only once.

There are no obstacles or hurdles to reach. My personal testimony of surrender and acceptance of Christ was straight up and only once. I don't recall having to re-surrender.

God bless you, and thank you for sharing.

Bob
 
faither said:
We faithe 100s of times all day long. Acts , based upon beliefs, sustained by confidence. The act of Faith that saves is the act, a continually surrendered life to him, based upon a belief, that he accepts the surrendered life, sustained by the confidence that he will keep and protect the surrendered life.
If we choose to surrender ourselves to something else, then the salvation journey stops, and the promises stop. not all at once. Nobody knows how long it takes to grieve the Spirit out. J
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faither said:
I respect your God given right to make your own choices crossnote. I thought maybe you had looked at my pisteuo thread and it might have persuaded you. Our acts don't save us, Grace did that. "Our acts" are the required response to that gift of Grace, and position ourselves correctly to receive that Grace. Remember, Grace "THROUGH" Faith, through pisteuo, through "A personal surrender to Him and a life inspired by such surrender." J
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faither said:
Pisteuo, or the application of Faith and Faithing towards God is this. "A personal surrender to Him, and a life inspired by such surrender." Now that you have read that, you are now held accountable for the decisions you make. Your welcome. J
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Hello faither;

I respect your intentions to share the Gospel, Pisteuo is an extension because it's discipline and instruction is aligned with God's Word.

I do respectfully, disagree with you with "lessons for learning" in your 3 posts. Please take my post as a moment to listen carefully to my testimony.

My late mother did not receive the teaching in your 3 posts above. She didn't know the difference between Pisteuo, Christianese, or theological terminology. She was not discipled as many Christians are. She did make huge mistakes in her sins, suffered times from raising 4 kids and was a Church going woman. When times were tough God came through because of her faith.

In February 2003, at a young 65 she developed leukemia. While we were at the hospital I had a face to face conversation with my Mom. I did the prayer of acceptance with her. She looked me straight in the eyes as only a mother can with her eldest child and confessed, she was saved years ago. All that my Mom went through I underestimated her and didn't know she received Christ, was forgiven of her sins, (no wonder she had this look of peace and confidence in Him,) After all, in June 1966 she did the prayer of acceptance with me as a 9 year old boy and I accepted Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior.

The next day Mom died. I have all the faith she was saved and is in the embrace of God, forever.

There are many men, women, people that I have met with that don't have the Biblical knowledge of others. But they do live a prayerful life, loving, giving, and beholding the emulations of Jesus.

So to dismiss a believer and their fate because of a "doctrine," or an "application" is wrong and I must refute you for that, brother. We who walk with Christ is understood by God that we all grow spiritually at different paces while God sees the transparent heart, for Him.

I'm not asking you to explain yourself or rebuttal, just read, receive my post in love and with a listening ear. Take some time from this NT tithing. I may be a seasoned minister but I'm not exempt from the firm lessons that I had to learn from giving an ultimatum, breaking down other believers and crushing their spirits, who may be weaker.

Years of growing God, helped me to pick up, hold up and uplift others no matter their growing pace and relationship with Jesus.

After you have given some thought, you may PM me.

God bless you, faither and your entire family.

Bob
 
faither said:
First, its plural, tithes. There are three of them. Firstfruits tithe, 10% on income, then 10 percent on any increase.

Most of us look at the tithe as something that was just OT, and isn't required after Christ.

Here's a different take, and what ive been taught.

First we must remember, the NT is enfolded into the OT, and the OT unfolds into the NT.

If we look at Pentecost, when the called out ones received the Spirit of Christ, the automatic reaction was to give away all they possessed. And after they did that, the desire was so great to give that "they begged with much begging to be able to keep doing it." That is how the Greek reads.

With that said , it's an easy step to say every called out one who thinks they have received the Spirit of Christ would have this same desire to give everything they have away. I was taught, you can't be a Christian if you don't want to give.

So with that foundation laid, does God require everything we possess, probably not. So how do we deal with this uncontrollable desire to give it all? well, that's where the Tithes come in. The tithes are not a begrudged obligation of something we must do every month, they are a governor, so we don't give away all we have. The tithes are a protection in a way, to acknowledge God and His teacher or representative.

The elephant in the room is if we in our spirit don't want to give at all, or give what we see fit.

There is an argument for those who knowing this still decide to give all, buts that would be on them.

J
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The Bible facts are that tithing, giving 10% of your income is not New Testament doctrine.

Christians who tithe do so simply because they respect the Old Testament principle and it is what they were taught at an early age, and find it a helpful place to begin in their giving.

1 Corinthians 16:2: .....“On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.”

This passage brings out four points:
1) we should give individually,
2) regularly,
3) methodically and
4)proportionately.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7 says:.....
“Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”

So the Christian can give to his church NOTHING, 1% 5% 10% or 100%. We should give to God as He has given to us and it should be on a personal level and NOT a Lawful requirement.
 
faither said:
First, its plural, tithes. There are three of them. Firstfruits tithe, 10% on income, then 10 percent on any increase.

Most of us look at the tithe as something that was just OT, and isn't required after Christ.

Here's a different take, and what ive been taught.

First we must remember, the NT is enfolded into the OT, and the OT unfolds into the NT.

If we look at Pentecost, when the called out ones received the Spirit of Christ, the automatic reaction was to give away all they possessed. And after they did that, the desire was so great to give that "they begged with much begging to be able to keep doing it." That is how the Greek reads.

With that said , it's an easy step to say every called out one who thinks they have received the Spirit of Christ would have this same desire to give everything they have away. I was taught, you can't be a Christian if you don't want to give.

So with that foundation laid, does God require everything we possess, probably not. So how do we deal with this uncontrollable desire to give it all? well, that's where the Tithes come in. The tithes are not a begrudged obligation of something we must do every month, they are a governor, so we don't give away all we have. The tithes are a protection in a way, to acknowledge God and His teacher or representative.

The elephant in the room is if we in our spirit don't want to give at all, or give what we see fit.

There is an argument for those who knowing this still decide to give all, buts that would be on them.

J
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NT tithing based upon higher principle of all that we have comes from god, and so we are to be good stewards of those possessions, and we also should be giving back based proprtionally upon how HE has blessed us, as in the body the single mom, Elderly, sick etc might not be able to give always 10 %, but those of us financially blessed cam pick up their shortage, as wealthy might have God call them to give 90 % and keep back 10 %
 
Major said:
The Bible facts are that tithing, giving 10% of your income is not New Testament doctrine.

Christians who tithe do so simply because they respect the Old Testament principle and it is what they were taught at an early age, and find it a helpful place to begin in their giving.

1 Corinthians 16:2: .....“On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income.”

This passage brings out four points:
1) we should give individually,
2) regularly,
3) methodically and
4)proportionately.

2 Corinthians 9:6-7 says:.....
“Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.”

So the Christian can give to his church NOTHING, 1% 5% 10% or 100%. We should give to God as He has given to us and it should be on a personal level and NOT a Lawful requirement.
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Should do it based upon personal conviction, for if one is persuaded its straight 10 % do it unto the Lord, but if another thinks 50 % due to really rich, do it unto the Lord
 
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