Original Sin, Again and Again

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LearningToLetGo

The strawman says, "why should I be held accountable for Adam's sin? I wasn't even born! It's not my fault."

The truth is the strawman rejects God every day in everything he does, from jealousy through greed or vanity. He commits his own sin, again and again, fully without Adam's help.

Let's knock the strawman down, but first let's acknowledge the strawman for who he is, since he is us.
 
Romans 7:15 ESV

"For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate."

The strawman thinks his actions are good, and just, but they are wicked and perverted for one simple reason: The strawman thinks himself the arbiter of right and wrong. Thus he does the very thing he hates, which is he turns away from God.
 
bobinfaith said:
Good morning, LearningToLetGo;

I can see you're on to something here. May I ask, what is meant by the strawman?!?

God bless you, Jason.

Bob
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A strawman is the term given to a kind of logical fallacy where one creates an artificial opponent then proceeds to refute him while then applying this rebuttal to other, possibly unrelated, opponents.
 
LearningToLetGo said:
The strawman thinks his actions are good, and just, but they are wicked and perverted for one simple reason: The strawman thinks himself the arbiter of right and wrong. Thus he does the very thing he hates, which is he turns away from God.
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The essence of the fall is Adam and Eve gained 1) the capacity to experience good and evil and 2) the capacity to determine what was good and what was evil. In other words, to be like God. In effect they said, "We don't need you. We can do it ourselves", and we all know that's false.

But many to this day think the same thing. The fall is not past-perfect but continues even to right now.
 
I have a question ( RAISING HAND)

We are all born with the original sin... When we become Christians.... Is our ORIGINAL sin REMOVED from us BEFORE death or is it something we all die with? I understand that we are all forgiven of our sins by the blood of Christ... just wondering about the original sin title.

My brain is not thinking too well today... so if I have asked an OBVIOUS question... sorry.
 
In Awe of Him said:
When we become Christians.... Is our ORIGINAL sin REMOVED from us
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romans 4
7Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.


8Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.
What does impute mean in the Bible?


The verb “impute” is a technical term that means “to charge or account something to a person which that person did not previously have, to reckon as yours something you did not previously possess


the moment we are saved our sins are forgiven another word is justified declared righteous aka just as if we had never sinned.


i sometimes think man likes to make up terms ; Original sin is the Christian theological doctrine that all humans are born with a sinful nature inherited from the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, due to their disobedience in the Garden of Eden.

see romans 3:23 says all have sinned and fell short of the Glory we inherited a sin nature due to the fall if you will notice it started in the garden passed on to cain who slew able . we see king david saw Bashebba bathing lusted in his heart sent for her had a affair ..strike one she became with child he tried to cover it prob strike 2 he couldnt cover it by bringing her husband home from war.. so he had him sent to the front to be killed in a act of war. strike 3 .david son Absalom rebeled conspired against his dad do you see the pattern .


its up to each one of us the break the sin pattern.. we do this through repentance and through the blood i john 1:7 &9

the sin nature can be called the old man
 
LearningToLetGo said:
Our sin is never removed while we live but is forgiven when we die.
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12As far as the east is from the west,
So far has He removed our transgressions from us.

Psalm 103:12 2 corithians 5:17 A new creation in Christ old things passed away all things become new God no longer sees the sins of my past they been removed with out the shedding of Blood there is no remission on sin , granted we can sin after salvation but the good news to that is we have a advocate so i have disagree with you our sins have been removed cast in to the sea of forgetfulness and i am forgiven by the Grace of God​

 
forgiven61 said:
i sometimes think man likes to make up terms ; Original sin is the Christian theological doctrine that all humans are born with a sinful nature inherited from the first man and woman, Adam and Eve, due to their disobedience in the Garden of Eden.

see romans 3:23 says all have sinned and fell short of the Glory we inherited a sin nature due to the fall if you will notice it started in the garden passed on to cain who slew able . we see king david saw Bashebba bathing lusted in his heart sent for her had a affair ..strike one she became with child he tried to cover it prob strike 2 he couldnt cover it by bringing her husband home from war.. so he had him sent to the front to be killed in a act of war. strike 3 .david son Absalom rebeled conspired against his dad do you see the pattern .


its up to each one of us the break the sin pattern.. we do this through repentance and through the blood i john 1:7 &9

the sin nature can be called the old man
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This was so very well stated.... Thank you forgiven61

It never dawned on me to consider that the title of original sin was simply a disclaimer of WHO we are at birth.... and that our LIFE journey hopefully crosses paths with CHRIST so that we can begin our new life journey. Accepting CHRIST is truly the BEGINNING of LIFE. It's such an AWESOME thing to behold.

I understand that we are all sinners...saved by HIS GRACE. There is some really WONKY teaching out there on things like "sinless perfection"
and some extreme forms of legalism.... which leads to guilt ... shame... judgement.... hypocrisy. Legalism is what my relatives practice and it is very sad because there is NO JOY in them.

I love this scripture
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty [emancipation from bondage, true freedom].
 
In Awe of Him said:
I have a question ( RAISING HAND)

We are all born with the original sin... When we become Christians.... Is our ORIGINAL sin REMOVED from us BEFORE death or is it something we all die with? I understand that we are all forgiven of our sins by the blood of Christ... just wondering about the original sin title.

My brain is not thinking too well today... so if I have asked an OBVIOUS question... sorry.
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I thought I would try to explain this topic. Original sin is NOT removed from us before we meet death.
Our Sin Nature is also NOT removed when we come to Christ and is with us until we die.

Are they one in the same???? NO! .........Similar but different.

"Original sin" is the doctrine that explains WHY WE ARE BOEN SINNERS.
We do not deserve to be born a sinner but since the guilt and condemnation of Adam's sin was charged against all humanity in Adam, we were born guilty and deserved to be born a sinner due to Adam's sin.

"The sinful nature" is the RESULTS OF ORIGINAL SIN. It means that as soon as a child is able to make a moral decisions it will be an evil one. As soon as a human knows right from wrong a human will do what is wrong. In other words as soon as a baby knows what it is to love God, the baby will not love God with it's whole heart.

It is actually the old.....cause and effect. Because we are born with "Original Sin" we all will suffer the results of our choices due to our "Sin Nature".

Learningtoletsgo's" op is very correct.

If we think it through we can see that Although each one of us did not personally eat from the forbidden tree, each person confirms Adam’s choice through one’s own independent acts of sin.

Romans 3:23 states, .....
“for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”

In other words, even if Adam had not sinned, everyone else eventually would, because each person exercises free will and confirms the same rebellion on a personal level. Adam just gets the blame because he was the 1st of us to be tested and the 1st to fail = Federal Headship! = Accountability!
 
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In Awe of Him said:
"sinless perfection"
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the only sinless perfection is when we make it to heaven we get a glorified body . all of our sins before we got saved is completely erased vanished

1 john 3 :
Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.


2Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


3And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.


4;Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.


5;And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.


6;Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.


7;Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.


8;He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.


9;Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.



one thing should be made perfectly Clear you cant live like hell 24/7 and still be a child of God if we have our fathers nature .. we should come to our senses ..much like the prodigal son
 
bobinfaith said:
Good morning, LearningToLetGo;

I can see you're on to something here. May I ask, what is meant by the strawman?!?

God bless you, Jason.

Bob
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Term refers to when someone is attacking a doctrine held by others, but are using misunderstanding of what the doctrine actually teaches.
For example, some will in their zeal state that those who are not KJVO see it as being now a bad translation, no. we rather see it as being good but neither perfect nor inspired as they do
 
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