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A while back we went to visit 'The Ark' in Kentucky. What impressed me the most was the size, and I believe they did a good job on dimensional construction. But when I went through it I was disappointed. They depicted the animals in cages with feeding and watering systems they even suggested the Ark had a ventilation system built into it. If we remember when God called His children out of Egypt their shoes did not wear out and their needs were met. I believe when God called all His creation to gather in the Ark He also sustained and looked after them. I don't believe cages were necessary and somehow the environment in the Ark was sustained. Even considering the work that it would take to operate the implied maintenance, Noah and his family would never have been able to manage it. Another point, as said the size of the ship and the weight of the materials required, no way could you have some guy with an axe and saw prep and handle those materials. I understand that the civilization during that time was highly developed and utilized 'modern means and materials' to build according to God's instruction.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
But I thought it a well worthwhile visit.
I'm interested to hear other opinions.
 
2404 said:
A while back we went to visit 'The Ark' in Kentucky. What impressed me the most was the size, and I believe they did a good job on dimensional construction. But when I went through it I was disappointed. They depicted the animals in cages with feeding and watering systems they even suggested the Ark had a ventilation system built into it. If we remember when God called His children out of Egypt their shoes did not wear out and their needs were met. I believe when God called all His creation to gather in the Ark He also sustained and looked after them. I don't believe cages were necessary and somehow the environment in the Ark was sustained. Even considering the work that it would take to operate the implied maintenance, Noah and his family would never have been able to manage it. Another point, as said the size of the ship and the weight of the materials required, no way could you have some guy with an axe and saw prep and handle those materials. I understand that the civilization during that time was highly developed and utilized 'modern means and materials' to build according to God's instruction.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
But I thought it a well worthwhile visit.
I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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Excellent questions.

Believe it or not, Perhaps no other single question concerning the existence of God will more quickly bring out the atheist’s sneers and the believer’s fears than, “Were dinosaurs on the ark?”

In the animal kingdom, and in the Bible the behemoth (Job 40:15-24) and leviathan (Job 41:1-34) are said to be dinosaurs. However, most commentators suggest the behemoth is either the elephant or hippopotamus and that leviathan is the crocodile.

While it is possible that God made miraculous provisions for the daily care of these animals, it is not necessary—or required by Scripture—to appeal to miracles.

The real question however is......what did the "carnivorous Dinosaurs eat".

There is room in the Ark for approx. 16,000 animals and those who say that man lived with the dinosaurs admit that those animals were on the Ark.

It all comes back to ...."Old Earth or Young Earth".
 
What did they eat?
I'm thankful the answers are not critical to our salvation but only fun to talk about.
I understand the 'old earth' would imply lucifer's fall to be eons ago. It would seem that the carnivorous nature of some of the dinosaurs could only be a result of the fall. Perhaps Adam's appearance on the scene was also one to restore order? And perhaps ( as science dates dinosaurs) is close to correct. Whatever the case I think that the Lord provides extraordinary circumstances to meet extraordinary times. And however the condition on the Ark were handled God had it under control.
I guess we will just have to wait and see...
 
Gen. 1:30 30 And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creepeth upon the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.
If God gave them vegetation to eat before the fall of man He could have fed them the same way. Noah and his family would need to be provided for as well. Whatever the answer, God had a plan that obviously worked.
 
2404 said:
A while back we went to visit 'The Ark' in Kentucky. What impressed me the most was the size, and I believe they did a good job on dimensional construction. But when I went through it I was disappointed. They depicted the animals in cages with feeding and watering systems they even suggested the Ark had a ventilation system built into it. If we remember when God called His children out of Egypt their shoes did not wear out and their needs were met. I believe when God called all His creation to gather in the Ark He also sustained and looked after them. I don't believe cages were necessary and somehow the environment in the Ark was sustained. Even considering the work that it would take to operate the implied maintenance, Noah and his family would never have been able to manage it. Another point, as said the size of the ship and the weight of the materials required, no way could you have some guy with an axe and saw prep and handle those materials. I understand that the civilization during that time was highly developed and utilized 'modern means and materials' to build according to God's instruction.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
But I thought it a well worthwhile visit.
I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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Hi 2404,

Now remember that people before the fall lived very long lives. Thus, they would have been `super,` strong compared to us today. eg. 969 to 70 plus. Big difference there. Just imagine the strength, the health, the body`s ability to function that long. (Gen. 5: 27 Methuselah)
 
Marilyn C said:
Hi 2404,

Now remember that people before the fall lived very long lives. Thus, they would have been `super,` strong compared to us today. eg. 969 to 70 plus. Big difference there. Just imagine the strength, the health, the body`s ability to function that long. (Gen. 5: 27 Methuselah)
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Hello Marilyn
I don't believe there is a direct relationship between physical strength and longevity. The rate of decline (death setting in) is a meter established by God and it doesn't have to be tied to physical strength. . Granted, they had more time to complete the task but I don't think that eight people could have managed it as it was portrayed. If you would check it out I thing you would see what I mean.
 
2404 said:
Hello Marilyn
I don't believe there is a direct relationship between physical strength and longevity. The rate of decline (death setting in) is a meter established by God and it doesn't have to be tied to physical strength. . Granted, they had more time to complete the task but I don't think that eight people could have managed it as it was portrayed. If you would check it out I thing you would see what I mean.
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`The days of our lives are 70 years; and if by reason of strength they are 80 years...` (Ps. 90: 10)
 
2404 said:
A while back we went to visit 'The Ark' in Kentucky. What impressed me the most was the size, and I believe they did a good job on dimensional construction. But when I went through it I was disappointed. They depicted the animals in cages with feeding and watering systems they even suggested the Ark had a ventilation system built into it. If we remember when God called His children out of Egypt their shoes did not wear out and their needs were met. I believe when God called all His creation to gather in the Ark He also sustained and looked after them. I don't believe cages were necessary and somehow the environment in the Ark was sustained. Even considering the work that it would take to operate the implied maintenance, Noah and his family would never have been able to manage it. Another point, as said the size of the ship and the weight of the materials required, no way could you have some guy with an axe and saw prep and handle those materials. I understand that the civilization during that time was highly developed and utilized 'modern means and materials' to build according to God's instruction.
Anyway, just my thoughts.
But I thought it a well worthwhile visit.
I'm interested to hear other opinions.
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2404 We have no way of knowing the finer details of the inner workings of the Ark. only in how we as humans would organise such a food chain, cages and sanitation on such a scale. There certainly must have been air ventilation or no one would have survived. Unlike the gods who do not need oxygen but us mere mortals all need oxygen to survive.IMG_4094.jpeg 2404 of course there be the matter of the dinosaurs 🦖 of which some protest as a impossibility due to the improbability of some being carnivorous and of some others with their gigantic size to be side by side with humans. So that they propose a gap theory instead of trusting solely in what the word of God tells us. When looking upon these supposed insurmountable problems are they really so problematic. firstly did the dinosaurs go in as fully grown adults . Probably not as most likely with many other animals they went in as youths, more so when thinking upon storage space. Now there be the matter of some animals being carnivorous such as the tiger the lion and Kuncota dragon and many other animals of like minded cravings and not only just the Dino 🦖 . Are all those other carnivorous animals now disqualified from the ark for being rather carnivorous too ???. The thinking is rather faulty when we evaluate deeper. And of course you are quite right correct in mentioning the children of Israel whose soles did not wear out and whose needs were always met. 2404 its what is classified as MIRACLE of which our Bible does attest from beginning to end. Now there be some here that bring Atheists up as some kind of bench mark to evaluate our Bible and what it should mean. The problem being with such people is that MIRACLE doesn’t even enter their scientific vocabulary for of a atheist IMG_4094.jpeg. And finally there be the matter of food supply. The Ark was upon the sea for around a year according to Genesis 8: 13-18. For a human to function and survive the yearly requirements come to a 137 pounds of grain per year be that of varying grains of your choosing ( rice , corn , oats etc ) the animal rations would sometimes be far above that and sometimes far below that depending on the size of the animals. And that be may be some problematic with the capacity of the ark. That is something I have yet to study deeper into. But even if so this would not pose a problem. Simply because there be the matter of hibernation of which bears, turtles and snakes habitually do. Perhaps many of the animals were placed into hibernation mode by God himself to ride out much of the journey. 2024 My thoughts on the matters of the Ark for now. Yours Prim 👩🏻‍💼
 
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2404 said:
What did they eat?
I'm thankful the answers are not critical to our salvation but only fun to talk about.
I understand the 'old earth' would imply lucifer's fall to be eons ago. It would seem that the carnivorous nature of some of the dinosaurs could only be a result of the fall. Perhaps Adam's appearance on the scene was also one to restore order? And perhaps ( as science dates dinosaurs) is close to correct. Whatever the case I think that the Lord provides extraordinary circumstances to meet extraordinary times. And however the condition on the Ark were handled God had it under control.
I guess we will just have to wait and see...
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Agreed.

Just as a matter of conversation.......The only way to understand this situation is to lean toward the Old Earth belief. IMHO.

I have always found it very, very difficult to accept the 6000 year old Young Earth teaching. There has to be another dichotomy that we are just not aware of or that we do not want to accept.
 
2404 said:
Hello Marilyn
I don't believe there is a direct relationship between physical strength and longevity. The rate of decline (death setting in) is a meter established by God and it doesn't have to be tied to physical strength. . Granted, they had more time to complete the task but I don't think that eight people could have managed it as it was portrayed. If you would check it out I thing you would see what I mean.
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Yep.

Gen. 7:6........
“Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.”

This is reiterated in verse 11. The flood lasted about a year, and in Genesis 8:13 we find that “by the first day of the first month of Noah’s six hundred and first year, the water had dried up from the earth.” Genesis 9:28–29 sums it up: “After the flood Noah lived 350 years. Noah lived a total of 950 years, and then he died.”

After the flood, the ages to which people lived began to drop precipitously. Genesis 11 gives another list of men after the flood, and, by the time of Abraham, the average was around 200 years, which is still incredibly long by today’s standards. Abraham lived to be 175 (Genesis 25:7).

Over the years, the average life expectancy reduced even further in many parts of the world due to disease and warfare. Today, in developed nations, the average life expectancy has increased and is now somewhere in the 80s.
 
Marilyn C said:
Hi 2404,

Now remember that people before the fall lived very long lives. Thus, they would have been `super,` strong compared to us today. eg. 969 to 70 plus. Big difference there. Just imagine the strength, the health, the body`s ability to function that long. (Gen. 5: 27 Methuselah)
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Marilyn......I understand your thoughts on this, however....there is no Biblical validation that men were "super strong" compared to man today.

A longer life span would allow men to accomplish more tasks but I do not know that there are Scriptures that say men were "stronger".
I do not say that to argue, only to give my "opinion". You may be right but not that we can say the Scriptures support it.

Also, I think it is wise to understand that the accuracy of the chronologies in Genesis 5 and 11 has been greatly debated over the years.
 
if i were to guess and any thing is speculation on the animals in the ark .. i would say God put them into a sleep a type hibernation . once again we dont know so its pure speculation . God had it all under control
 
2404 said:
Hello Marilyn
I don't believe there is a direct relationship between physical strength and longevity. The rate of decline (death setting in) is a meter established by God and it doesn't have to be tied to physical strength. . Granted, they had more time to complete the task but I don't think that eight people could have managed it as it was portrayed. If you would check it out I thing you would see what I mean.
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There certainly must be a relationship between physical strength and longevity. In the new world our strength is on the wain, they do say by our 50’s. In today’s society anyone who makes it over the hundred mark, almost all of their strength is depleted. Our bodily functions will not see us past the 150 yr mark. Whereas in the old world with a completely different environment before the flood their bodies are functioning up to the thousand year mark. Very few after the flood see it past the 200 hundred year mark though there are recorded cases throughout our histories of some reaching over that age. But generally in todays world we be in vegetable mode should you reach the 120 mark your strength is gone.. The search for the elixir of eternal youth and eternal life does continue through the ages that was forbidden our first parents.
 
When I think of the Ark, I think the Parting of the Red Sea, I think the miracles Jesus performed.
In other words. I try and look past human responses and feelings when I think about the Ark.
As it surely was not the work of man, even though the Ark was built by man.
Like for me is always easier to grip the words in the bible, when I realize they were meant for man.
Not created by him.
 
Major said:
Agreed.

Just as a matter of conversation.......The only way to understand this situation is to lean toward the Old Earth belief. IMHO.

I have always found it very, very difficult to accept the 6000 year old Young Earth teaching. There has to be another dichotomy that we are just not aware of or that we do not want to accept.
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Major not all are so inflexible with the young earth’s creationists claim of 6000 yrs. We could go 7000 yrs or 8000 yrs or even stretch the possibility to 10:000 yrs at the max. But your not promoting flexibility when you claim old age earth doctrine because your claiming unprovable ages of millions of yrs. If we go with your proposal along with the dinosaurs not roaming our Adamic world but becoming extinct some 60 to 70 million years prior. Than death did not originate in our world through Adam & Eve. And it weakens immensely the salvation message of the gospel of a mere 7 -10,000 yrs ago when compared to the vast ages of 70 million yrs of death prior to the biblical account Which begs the question. Did all those bygone ages have a redeemer too ??? Or was it just 70 million yrs of continuous conflict and destruction???
 
Prim90 said:
There certainly must be a relationship between physical strength and longevity. In the new world our strength is on the wain, they do say by our 50’s. In today’s society anyone who makes it over the hundred mark, almost all of their strength is depleted. Our bodily functions will not see us past the 150 yr mark. Whereas in the old world with a completely different environment before the flood their bodies are functioning up to the thousand year mark. Very few after the flood see it past the 200 hundred year mark though there are recorded cases throughout our histories of some reaching over that age. But generally in todays world we be in vegetable mode should you reach the 120 mark your strength is gone.. The search for the elixir of eternal youth and eternal life does continue through the ages that was forbidden our first parents.
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Without a doubt, exercise that increases our strength improves our longevity.

Prim, as far as I can see, the Bible does not state explicitly why God would ordain that early mankind would live so long, but I think if we ponder what the Bible says about why our lives are so short, we will get a clue as to why the early generations lived so long.

We know from the story of creation in Genesis 1–3 and in Rom. 5:12-14 that death was not intended to be a part of the perfect world before sin entered the world — and with it, death. Death was threatened by God as a penalty for disobedience as stated in Gen. 2:17.

In other words, those long lives testify that death was not part of the perfect creation. God ordains as a lesson to us that the force of life be preserved for hundreds of years in very long lives in those early centuries to show that life, not death, was his design and our portion in creation at the beginning. So, the long lives of those first humans stand as a testimony of how utterly short our lives are and how God’s design at the beginning and his design in the future is life — indeed, eternal life.
 
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