Precedent Faith

[netchaplain]

Bob...

I hold this scripture very close to my heart because for decades... I was unable to RESPOND to the love of Christ because I did not believe I was WORTHY of it. I am still not worthy of it... however... I have come to understand from scripture how DEEPLY LOVED I am. It's not about me... it's all about HIM and His WORD.

Thanks for the instructional reply! Thank God He makes us "worthy" (1Co 11:27, 29; 2Th 1:5).

 

[bobinfaith]

Hi Brother Bob! One can think they are saved, and then supposedly renounce it, but this could just be one who doesn't know what he are doing. First it has to be decided if the person is genuine in deciding for salvation or not. One could genuinely believe he is saved, and if it is true, he cannot renounce nor will ever want to reject it, because of Phl 2:13). When God works in someone, it's permanent, but without knowing this, there is only confusion; and God does this "work" in everyone who is truly saved. Everyone would be saved if we could pray that they be saved, for God wouldn't isn't prejudice (Luk 20:21; Act 10:34; Rom 2:11; Gal 2:6; Eph 6:9; Col 3:25; 1Pe 1:17). It must be one who desires to be right with God first, then He saves them. It's only fair that one must desire to believe in Him before He will save them. The concept that God, for some reason, only saves certain people, is very confusing. Since "salvation hath appeared to all men," it's up to man to desire God; which we already know that most choose to be an unbeliever (Matt 7:13, 14).

Good morning, netchaplain;

Thank you for sticking to the verb of my question and responding back.

God bless you, brother.

 

[In Awe of Him]

Ok then... I've been thinking about this all day. HA.

New Living Translation
“Not everyone who calls out to me, ‘Lord! Lord!’ will enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only those who actually do the will of my Father in heaven will enter.

That would suggest/state the obvious... that not everyone who CLAIMS to be a Christian will be accepted in heaven.

and... I guess this is the CRUX of everything.

ONLY GOD knows the ins and outs of WHICH of HIS children are truly HIS and which simply paid Him lip service.

Then there is the topic of WHAT is the unforgivable sin ( what is BLASPHEMY of the HOLY SPIRIT )?
I guess there are professing Christians that have/are committing that sin.

And then there are those who I guess were ONCE a CHRISTIAN and renounced the LORD in later years.
Does that include those who never even got out of the gate?? ( The seed that was planted and withered away? )

This has been the most thought provoking thread I think I have read ( for me anyways ).

I have gone somewhere in my brain that I don't usually go. HAHA.

Thank you for allowing me to voice my little thoughts. I do have a feeling that everyone here is on the same page... I am just late to the party. HAHA.

I guess it happens but I don't understand how someone can have TASTED and SEEN that the LORD Is GOOD and walk away. I can't wrap my brain around that.

 

[netchaplain]

ONLY GOD knows the ins and outs of WHICH of HIS children are truly HIS and which simply paid Him lip service.

True, God knows all who will choose Him, even before creating; which answers to the fact that the Book of Life has all the names of those who will be saved!

Then there is the topic of WHAT is the unforgivable sin ( what is BLASPHEMY of the HOLY SPIRIT )?

This was a sin that was done intentionally, which was against the Holy Ghost, and probably wasn't done much in the past; and not likely by anyone in the present. It has to be done knowingly and on purpose (Mat 12:31, 32).

Thank you for allowing me to voice my little thoughts. I do have a feeling that everyone here is on the same page... I am just late to the party. HAHA.

I guess it happens but I don't understand how someone can have TASTED and SEEN that the LORD Is GOOD and walk away. I can't wrap my brain around that.

I believe the decision to remain an unbeliever is mostly because of the fact that it would mean giving up sinful pleasures (2Ti 3:4). Romans 1 says all adults believe there is a God, but believing about God is different from believing in God.

 

[forgiven61]

All the discussion in the world will NOT help me to understand how it's remotely POSSIBLE to turn AWAY FROM God when you have tasted His goodness. It's not comprehendible to me.

i have studied the scriptures out both sides present as doctrine . Both sides has valid points in scriptures one thing the security of our salvation is there. we dont have to be and plead every second of the day to keep it. on the other hand scripture DOES NOT TEACH one can live as they chose if they chose of a sinful lifestyle . i am speaking of living in it never repenting. purposely sinning. one choses to be unfaithful to a spouse and still claim salvation.. i dont think so Jesus said bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance . where is the fruit ?

Jesus taught in john 15 to abide in him which is the only way to bear fruit . this is not about can you or can you not. its about Knowing that you may KNOW you have eternal life .

there has been more fights church splits over the doctrine of can or can not. at the Church i pastor . we have a over head banner that reads if your %99 saved your %100 Lost .. if we have the spirit of truth in us . when we sin and we will 2. things one He will convict us . if we say we have no conviction or ignore it.. then we are a legitimate Child .


as a true Blue Christian we will repent and we are told we have a advocate . if there is no fruit there is no salvation. i can not prove one can walk away or not. i dont plan on finding out. . this is a far as i go with the subject for if my reply goes south of context i posted ..i will leave the forum .

 

[forgiven61]

R.I.P another one bites the dust