PROSPERITY GOSPEL - WHAT IS IT??

Damascus said:
You forgot the other name for that doctrine, pheaae actually.
God'll pay ya a lot to love him a lot.

I suggest anyone considering the WoF movement to search the names of the pastors that promote it. Once you have that list, [Hager,Osteen, White *drives a Rolls Royce) Hinn, Duplantis, Copeland (5 private jets) , etc...] , Google Images search their homes.

Amazing luxury.

Then consider this.

Jesus was/is the king of Heaven.

During his earthly ministry he was a Shepherd. He had no place to lay his head. And he and his apostles walked everywhere they went.
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All true.

I never ever want it to be said that I was wishy washy. So let me be very clear..........In its unabashed nakedness, the prosperity gospel is a damning heresy that is not a gospel at all. It is a Ponzi scheme concocted by those at the top to prey upon the weak and vulnerable. Preachers of this false gospel use God as a genie who is dispatched to give us stuff, as a result, the gospel gets reduced to getting more stuff.
 
Prosperity Gospel in my view has the believer using God. Whereas its opposite is God using us in his service.

Likely, the faithful in the PG movement believe these passages support their beliefs.
Found here>https://ourlivingbible.com/bible-verses-about-whatever-if-you-ask-anything-in-my-name/


John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:


John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.


John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

1 John 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.


John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
 
Major said:

What are your thoughts????????????
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Hello Major;

It didn't happen overnight. My wife and I had a devotion earlier in the week and we both agree we are truly content in Christ, our marriage, ministry and God's promises which are all sufficient.

We are blessed to have been ministered in the past and today by Pastors who taught correctly true contentment from accepting Christ. I went on to teach and preach this backed by God's Word.

This is why we never gave heed to "name it and claim it" doctrines. After all, doesn't God have something to say about what we name and claim?

Contentment in God is being content. He owns and provides everything, therefore, He always knows our needs and what's best for us.

God bless you, brother, and thank you for sharing this topic.
 
Major said:
Luring people to Christ to get rich is both deceitful and deadly. Itā€™s deceitful because when Jesus himself called us, he said things like: ā€œAny one of you who does not renounce all that he has cannot be my discipleā€ (Luke 14:33). And itā€™s deadly because the desire to be rich plunges ā€œpeople into ruin and destructionā€ (1 Tim. 6:9).
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You are totally correct sister!

May I also add here at this point that the Prosperity Gospel is NOT NEW! IT has been used by unscrupulous people for thousands of years.

The prosperity gospel always adapts(Changes the meaning) of select verses from Scripture to bolster their sermons. They will often point to passages such as Malachi 3:10 to encourage generous giving, even though that passage, in context, dosen't have anything to do with church tithing. It is sad to have to say this, but this action from those taking part in it speaks to their ignorance of the Scriptures.

Most importantly, this doctrine tends to avoid the stickier parts of Scripture. Anything about judgment, sin, and needless suffering (suffering that does not end in a blessing) does not appear in prosperity gospel sermons or books.
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello Major;

It didn't happen overnight. My wife and I had a devotion earlier in the week and we both agree we are truly content in Christ, our marriage, ministry and God's promises which are all sufficient.

We are blessed to have been ministered in the past and today by Pastors who taught correctly true contentment from accepting Christ. I went on to teach and preach this backed by God's Word.

This is why we never gave heed to "name it and claim it" doctrines. After all, doesn't God have something to say about what we name and claim?

Contentment in God is being content. He owns and provides everything, therefore, He always knows our needs and what's best for us.

God bless you, brother, and thank you for sharing this topic.
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You know Robert......the old men of God were right. My grandfather always taught me....Son, when you walk through the cow pasture, keep looking down so that you do not step in something that you do not what on your shoes.;)
 
Damascus said:
Prosperity Gospel in my view has the believer using God. Whereas its opposite is God using us in his service.

Likely, the faithful in the PG movement believe these passages support their beliefs.
Found here>https://ourlivingbible.com/bible-verses-about-whatever-if-you-ask-anything-in-my-name/


John 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.


John 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

1 John 5:14 And this is the confidence that we have in him, that, if we ask any thing according to his will, he heareth us:


John 16:24 Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.


John 15:7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

1 John 5:15 And if we know that he hear us, whatsoever we ask, we know that we have the petitions that we desired of him.


John 16:23 And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;


Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Matthew 21:22 And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.

1 John 5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

Colossians 3:17 And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.

Philippians 4:13 I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

John 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Jeremiah 33:3 Call unto me, and I will answer thee, and show thee great and mighty things, which thou knowest not.
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Agreed totally!

To them, God is a cosmic Santa Clause!
 
Major said:
The "Prosperity gospel" is also known as the ā€œhealth and wealth gospelā€ or by its most popular brand, the ā€œWord of Faithā€ movement and is a teaching that claims that God rewards increases in faith with increases in health and/or wealth. In short, this means that ā€œhealth and wealthā€ are the automatic divine right of all Bible-believing Christians and may be procreated by faith as part of the package of salvation, since the Atonement of Christ includes not just the removal of sin, but also the removal of sickness and poverty.

Scary fact;
A 2006 Times poll found that 17 percent of American Christians identify explicitly with the movement, while 31 percent espouse the idea that ā€œif you give your money to God God will bless you with more money.ā€ A full 61 percent agree with the more general idea that ā€œGod wants people to be prosperous.ā€

What that says is that the level of BIBLICAL Knowledge and Spirituality in America is at an embarrassing level.

There are many reasons why this teaching is false but I will list only 5 errors of the Prosperity teaching here for you................

1. The Abrahamic covenant is a means to material entitlement.
2. Jesusā€™s atonement extends to the ā€œsinā€ of material poverty.
3. Christians give in order to gain material compensation from God.
4. Faith is a self-generated spiritual force that leads to prosperity.
5. Prayer is a tool to force God to grant prosperity.

This teaching has its roots not in the Bible but in what is called "New Thought" which is OCCULTIC. a nineteenth-century spiritual movement popular with decidedly unorthodox thinkers like Ralph Waldo Emerson and William James. Practitioners of New Thought, not all of whom identified as Christian, generally held the divinity of the individual human being and the priority of mind over matter. In other words, if you could correctly channel your mental energy, you could harness its material results......or, NAME it and CLAIM IT!

Many well meaning Christians have fallen into this false teaching with the expectation and understanding that if you are faithful God owes you something.

Throughout the twentieth century, proponents of this particularly American blend of theology envisaged God as a kind of banker, dispensing money to the deserving, with Jesus as a model business executive. Both of these characterizations were, at times, literal fact: ......
In 1936, New Thought mystic and founder of the Unity Church Charles Fillmore rewrote Psalm 23 to read = ā€œThe Lord is my banker/my credit is goodā€.

In 1925, advertising executive Bruce Bowler wrote The Man Nobody Knows to argue that Jesus was the first great capitalist. The literal money quote reads..... ā€œSome day ... someone will write a book about Jesus. Every businessman will read it and send it to his partners and his salesmen. For it will tell the story of the founder of modern business.ā€

Names of some well known "Prosperity Preachers" are.......

Kenneth Hagin. The father of the Prosperity movement.
Oral Roberts. At the height of his influence, Roberts oversaw a ministry that brought in $110 million in annual revenue.
Kenneth Copeland
T.D. Jakes
Jerry Savelle
Charles Capps
Jesse DuPlantis
Creflo Dollar
Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker
Joel Osten
Benny Hinn
Pat Robertson, and
Robert Tilton.

It should be noted that Kenneth Hagin openly denounced the Prosperity preaching done today before he died in 2003.
He wrote a brutally honest book to address his concerns. The Midas Touch was published in 2000.

The Prosperity Gospel Is Not Biblical And It's Not Real​

ā€œI believe that it is anti-Christian and unholy for any Christian to live with the object of accumulating wealth. You will say, ā€œAre we not to strive all we can to get all the money we can?ā€ You may do so. I cannot doubt but what, in so doing, you may do service to the cause of God. But what I said was that to live with the object of accumulating wealth is anti-Christian.ā€
Source - Tom Carted, ed., 2,200 Quotations from the Writings of Charles H. Spurgeon

What are your thoughts????????????
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The prosperity gospel is a heresy founded upon human greed and the idea that God is a puppet who must perform according to human commands/desires.
 
Well, if anyone knows if any of these pastors of these prosperity gospel churches takes size 3ā€™s and handbags let me know and they can come and collect them for the poor.

I am working 50 hours this week and by the looks of it, they have more than enough spare time and jets to deliver them.

Just wonderingā€¦
 
bobinfaith said:
Hello Major;

It didn't happen overnight. My wife and I had a devotion earlier in the week and we both agree we are truly content in Christ, our marriage, ministry and God's promises which are all sufficient.

We are blessed to have been ministered in the past and today by Pastors who taught correctly true contentment from accepting Christ. I went on to teach and preach this backed by God's Word.

This is why we never gave heed to "name it and claim it" doctrines. After all, doesn't God have something to say about what we name and claim?

Contentment in God is being content. He owns and provides everything, therefore, He always knows our needs and what's best for us.

God bless you, brother, and thank you for sharing this topic.
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Bob...........many years ago one of my professors, when I asked him what direction did he think I should go, theologically speaking, looked me in the eye and said........ IS HELL REAL?????

To which I said......Yes Sir I do! He then said.........You have your answer young man, now go and preach that like your parents never heard it! I did and have never looked back.

Every day I thank those old men who stuck with what God said and not what they thought God said!

Men like DL Moody, Oliver B. Breen, J Vernon MaGee, Adrian Rogers, Billy Sunday, W.A. Criswell, John Walvoord, to name just a few.
 
Hi, I used to believe in the prosperity gospel and looking back, I believe that the false teaching thrives on four things.

1. The love of money.
I wanted to be rich and so do many others.

2. Lack of knowledge of the bible.
This is made worse because of believing that since pastors have spent years in theological schools studying the bible and have being reading the bible for many years, they understand it better and therefore I thought that I could not rely on my interpretation.

3. Believing that all pastors have your best interest.
Many Christians believe that all pastors are the men of God and do not think that they will intentionally deceive others. Some churches bring people to provide false testimonies about their rags to riches story as proof that the teaching is true. I read an article from the newspaper where a whistleblower exposed that some of these pastors pay actors to provide these false testimonies. This explains why some of these people are those who have never attended the church. šŸ˜

4. Looking at the number of congregants in the church.
These prosperity preachers have thousands of church members and when the Holy Spirit would tell me that their teaching was incorrect. I would think it was not the Holy Spirit and brush the thought off and think to myself, "How is it possible that so many people are deceived and believe this teaching. There are too many of them, it must be true"

It took a few years to realize that I was deceived; it did not happen overnight. Reading the bible over and over again helped me to see the deception.
What also helped is that some of their scandals were being exposed by the media. I also watched YouTube videos that showed that some of these prosperity preachers are Freemasons. This caused me to doubt that they that they could be trusted.
Then finally, their teaching did not work. I did not become rich, no matter how much I gave.
 
Faith First said:
Hi, I used to believe in the prosperity gospel and looking back, I believe that the false teaching thrives on four things.

1. The love of money.
I wanted to be rich and so do many others.

2. Lack of knowledge of the bible.
This is made worse because of believing that since pastors have spent years in theological schools studying the bible and have being reading the bible for many years, they understand it better and therefore I thought that I could not rely on my interpretation.

3. Believing that all pastors have your best interest.
Many Christians believe that all pastors are the men of God and do not think that they will intentionally deceive others. Some churches bring people to provide false testimonies about their rags to riches story as proof that the teaching is true. I read an article from the newspaper where a whistleblower exposed that some of these pastors pay actors to provide these false testimonies. This explains why some of these people are those who have never attended the church. šŸ˜

4. Looking at the number of congregants in the church.
These prosperity preachers have thousands of church members and when the Holy Spirit would tell me that their teaching was incorrect. I would think it was not the Holy Spirit and brush the thought off and think to myself, "How is it possible that so many people are deceived and believe this teaching. There are too many of them, it must be true"

It took a few years to realize that I was deceived; it did not happen overnight. Reading the bible over and over again helped me to see the deception.
What also helped is that some of their scandals were being exposed by the media. I also watched YouTube videos that showed that some of these prosperity preachers are Freemasons. This caused me to doubt that they that they could be trusted.
Then finally, their teaching did not work. I did not become rich, no matter how much I gave.
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Hello Faith First;

I loved your testimony and I find your most important points is number 2 and 3. I used to be intimidated by the Bible because it was hard to understand. I was attempting to grasp it on my own but learned there are Scriptures - Proverbs 4:7, Psalm 119:34, Isaiah 11:2 and more throughout that teach about transcending all understanding, knowledge, wisdom and discernment. Through the Holy Spirit these disciplines aid believers to diffuse confrontation and false beliefs, replaced by the increase of love for one another and our spiritual growth, daily.

Your other point is not all pastors have our best interest, unfortunately, but this doesn't mean we dismiss those who do and accept their own confession of flaws and imperfections; constantly working to discipline their calling in sustaining the Truth in 1 Timothy 3:1.

Ephesians 4:29, 29 Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear.

Thank you for sharing, Faith First, and may God bless you and your family.
 
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