I find it very sad (but not surprising) to hear about your quite bad experiences with those calling themselves Christians, but who were apparently just church-goers. I do use the words "real" or "true Christians" in my Messages, to distinguish those who ARE real from those who are simply nominal Christians. You said, "If christians were defined by how they act, and if their words match their actions, there would be few "real christians", I`m afraid! Once again, with deep sadness, I have to totally agree.Nice of you to say that you would save this choking atheist`s life.......
But I do have the nagging question in the back of my head if all of you really would.
Nothing personal, I don`t know any of you.
Just relating to my lifelong struggle as an evangelical/fundie who spent many years in churches and was rarely honestly welcome there.
Now I am an ex-churchian trying to heal from lots of trauma.
The terms "real christian" or "true christian" give me the creeps, because I have witnessed just too many christians behave unbelievably cruel toward others who are not "their kind". This cruelty also extends well into inter-denominational power fights.
To add insult to injury, christian abusers are simply declared "not real christians" by other christians. The reasoning being that "true christians" never act cruel or hateful!
If christians were defined by how they act, and if their words match their actions, there would be few "real christians", I`m afraid!
I find one of those few every now and then, they are a blessing to get to know!
As for the masses of "real christians", I have learned the hard [and very painful] way to stay clear of them........unfortunately it took me decades to figure out that I was not created to be other folks` doormat [or less].
I am able to separate man made organizations and institutions from Creator Jesus.
And I would, as I have in the past, help anyone in need as much as I can.
Christian, non-christian, atheist, dominator.......doesn`t matter who they are and if they like me or hate me. If they are in need and I can do something about it, I will [and have].
But it was nice to read what you said next: "I find one of those few every now and then, they are a blessing to get to know! That's so wonderful to hear!! You could so easily (and understandably) be totally 'turned off', cynical, angry, etc., etc . I honour you for the fact that you are not!!
May I enquire if by "trying to heal from lots of trauma," you mean getting over what you've experienced in churches? (it sounds like it may be). My beloved wife and I have been seriously harmed by a particular church. It took Beloved maybe 7 years to recover from it, and probably even longer. It sure tends to make you rather wary, doesn't it.
It made me go back to the Scriptures to read it APART FROM MAN'S TEACHINGS, but rather asking the Holy Spirit to TEACH ME what they really say!! What I've learned has utterly changed and revolutionised my life, given me insight that still stuns me, brought me to Scriptural maturity I'd never ever sought - and you can read the results of my journey in The Inner Room (see Sig. below).
I've been here virtually every day for nearly 2 years now, and can assure you that there are a considerable number of really true Believers on this forum!! (At age 71 and over 50 years seriously with the Lord, I can tell the true from those who aren't.) What utterly amazes me though is the number of people who come each day to read my "condensed sermons" as I sometimes call them! *lol!* (Nearly 140 visits per day average. Coming to read about true Practical Christian living. How astonishing!)
I hope you'll stay, find the real Christians, and maybe even read what I write. (I think this is the first time I've ever "plugged" the IR (as we refer to it) in posts outside of my threads - but your post both intrigued and 'got' me so much, that, well, I've now done it!!!)
May the Lord God heal all the harm that's been done. May you find those who will truly love you here. May your life ultimately be transformed - as I totally believe it can be!!
Much love and blessings from
- BM (with his Lady)