Recognition of faith

[Via dolarossa]

I love treehouses!
I can recognize a tree house.
I've never experienced one though. But I can visualise me being in one.
I've climbed a tree, without being in a treehouse.
I want to live and own a treehouse.
I've no skills as a carpenter, yet I can imagine being in one when I get all comfy in bed and meditate on it.
Believing I've got a treehouse is part of the faith I need to bring it to Fruitation. Check.

It may take money, time, land and skills to bring this into fruitation.
Is that Gods Will, the How?

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for and not yet seen.

Must I go about my daily business with a feeling ( I'm pressed on thinking faith is is a feeling please correct me if I'm wrong) That Im living in a treehouse and when ever I get a free moment, and not otherwise engaged, to remember to imagine that I'll soon be going home to my new found treehouse and to rejoice in the Lord.

Is faith akin to feeling? What is the difference between belief and feeling it real?

 

[sandpiper]

I love treehouses!
I can recognize a tree house.
I've never experienced one though. But I can visualise me being in one.
I've climbed a tree, without being in a treehouse.
I want to live and own a treehouse.
I've no skills as a carpenter, yet I can imagine being in one when I get all comfy in bed and meditate on it.
Believing I've got a treehouse is part of the faith I need to bring it to Fruitation. Check.

It may take money, time, land and skills to bring this into fruitation.
Is that Gods Will, the How?

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for and not yet seen.

Must I go about my daily business with a feeling ( I'm pressed on thinking faith is is a feeling please correct me if I'm wrong) That Im living in a treehouse and when ever I get a free moment, and not otherwise engaged, to remember to imagine that I'll soon be going home to my new found treehouse and to rejoice in the Lord.

Is faith akin to feeling? What is the difference between belief and feeling it real?

"Is faith akin to feeling?" What an interesting question that is! I am not sure if I quite understand what you are saying here; but I will point this out all the same regarding faith and feelings. We believe with our minds, however, and feelings can surely follow or even proceed our faith. But, mainly it is good not to count on feelings alone because sometimes you can feel really down and yet your faith is strong. In fact, that often happens when circumstances are trying and difficult. We are whole beings...body, soul, and spirit. Feelings are part of the package. Not to be denied, but faith goes beyond that as shown in the scripture below which you also quoted..

Hebrews 11:1: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."

Just sayin...My husband and son actually built a tree house, not as an escape, but a place for our three kids to play out at our lake cabin years ago. (no longer have that place). I think the fun part was my husband and son working together to build that tree house. In time my son grew up (He's now in his 50's) and became a proficient specialty contractor ...in woodworking projects, etc.) following in the footsteps of his cabinet making, house building, dad.

Once the tree house was built they didn't use it much at all. I think their joy was found in building it. That speaks to me, somehow. Sometimes the joy is found in what we are building when we are building what ever it is. Perhaps that is the way it is with faith. As faith builds we feel the joy or not..but we continue building...project after project as we learn of the Lord though His Word and grow in grace, wisdom, and maturity.

 

[Cturtle]

I love treehouses!
I can recognize a tree house.
I've never experienced one though. But I can visualise me being in one.
I've climbed a tree, without being in a treehouse.
I want to live and own a treehouse.
I've no skills as a carpenter, yet I can imagine being in one when I get all comfy in bed and meditate on it.
Believing I've got a treehouse is part of the faith I need to bring it to Fruitation. Check.

It may take money, time, land and skills to bring this into fruitation.
Is that Gods Will, the How?

Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for and not yet seen.

Must I go about my daily business with a feeling ( I'm pressed on thinking faith is is a feeling please correct me if I'm wrong) That Im living in a treehouse and when ever I get a free moment, and not otherwise engaged, to remember to imagine that I'll soon be going home to my new found treehouse and to rejoice in the Lord.

Is faith akin to feeling? What is the difference between belief and feeling it real?

First off faith should never be based upon feelings. However with that said.... we can have a quickening (an excitement in our spirit), about something (a vision or Word) that God gives us.... Our pastors when on the way to their new church home got really excited and they had not yet seen the property that God showed them yet.

It seems to me that what your experiencing is God's grace. Something He gives us, to help us hang onto a dream or desire that we have. It's like it's so real, you begin to "feel" like your already in the future, living or doing what God is planning for you.

Keep thanking God for your house and future hubby. Ask God to give you a Scripture to go with your vision. So that you know specifically it's from Him. And commit your thoughts and plans and desires to Him... and He will cause your thoughts to line up with His will so that all your plans will be established and succeed (proverbs 16:3 ampc)

 

[Egraine]

I think faith is a mental assurity of something that you have no doubt about at all. It is often referred to as a spiritual gift, because not everyone possesses 100% faith - many still have little nagging doubts about their beliefs. I am spiritually gifted with faith. I can't really say that it is a feeling in the way that an emotion is a feeling. It is more this unshakeable knowledge that my beliefs are real, that God is real, and that He works in my life every day. It is a belief with doubts. I am fortunate to possess this gift - when those around me find their faith faltering, I am able to use the strength of my faith to bolster theirs.

I'm sorry I cannot describe it any better than this, but this is the best way I can describe it at this moment.

 

[Annie]

Is faith a feeling?

For me, faith started like a feeling. A feeling that I needed to be somewhere and do something. Like a seed planted in the grounded. It started to grow, then stuff happened, like trouble (a cold winter for my little seed), and I started to falter. Then God put 'fertiliser!' in my life, and it kick-started me back on the track.

Many times I've faltered, and many times I've been put right. I hope Cturtle doesn't mind being referred to as 'fertiliser', but that is one huge thing she did. She helped me grow in moments when I was floundering.

For me, faith starts as a feeling, and becomes faith, solid faith. It's no longer just a feeling, but a knowing, a solid knowing that God will provide.

Many blessings Via dolarossa and thank you for starting this interesting and informative thread.

X

 

[Peter Luke]

I love treehouses!...
...Believing I've got a treehouse is part of the faith I need to bring it to Fruitation. Check....

True faith is different to how most people understand the law of attraction.
It only works if God wants it to work. That is, if Truth is to be manifested, it will not if you want it to, because of the origin of the 'want' (much like the story of Adam and Eve), is for false-self and not Truth.
Faith is a want/need (a truth) without wanting or needing (claiming) it. On the surface it sounds paradoxical, but at a deeper level it becomes clear, though difficult to articulate.
Faith makes a void for whatever is true to fill it. You cannot imagine or feel a void and think that you created it, because that is a result of wanting/needing (and claiming it).

It may take money, time, land and skills to bring this into fruitation.
Is that Gods Will, the How?

Whatever is true comes from God. That is, whatever truth you find in gaining money and land, and using time and skills to build yourself a treehouse.
However, here is a thought: A rock, as it is is true, but as soon as we shape it into a brick the rock is no longer true, neither is the brick.

Is faith akin to feeling? What is the difference between belief and feeling it real?

Imagination is akin to reality because both use the mind to make sense of it. Feelings, and trusting (faith) in those feelings, only enhances the experience of what is imagined or sensed as real (by the mind).
Faith is stepping out of the way for God / Truth to take over. But this does not require belief.
Belief is that God / Truth will take over after I step out of the way. But this requires faith.

 

[Smiler]

True faith is different to how most people understand the law of attraction.
It only works if God wants it to work. That is, if Truth is to be manifested, it will not if you want it to, because of the origin of the 'want' (much like the story of Adam and Eve), is for false-self and not Truth.
Faith is a want/need (a truth) without wanting or needing (claiming) it. On the surface it sounds paradoxical, but at a deeper level it becomes clear, though difficult to articulate.
Faith makes a void for whatever is true to fill it. You cannot imagine or feel a void and think that you created it, because that is a result of wanting/needing (and claiming it).

Whatever is true comes from God. That is, whatever truth you find in gaining money and land, and using time and skills to build yourself a treehouse.
However, here is a thought: A rock, as it is is true, but as soon as we shape it into a brick the rock is no longer true, neither is the brick.

Imagination is akin to reality because both use the mind to make sense of it. Feelings, and trusting (faith) in those feelings, only enhances the experience of what is imagined or sensed as real (by the mind).
Faith is stepping out of the way for God / Truth to take over. But this does not require belief.
Belief is that God / Truth will take over after I step out of the way. But this requires faith.

"True faith is different to how most people understand the law of attraction."

Now, that is something that intrigues me. I can't believe that Manifesting really works as wonderfully as it is claimed. In what is the faith founded ?

I am confused.
Am I right in understanding that one demands (rather than humbly asks) absolutely anything (without limit) and then completely forgets about it (impossibly) until it is surprisingly (?) received. There seems to be no requirement or suggestion of thanksgiving, and there is an acceptance that it will be something to life's advantage.
Is there any real comparison with Christian hope, faith, prayer, and salvation ?

Is the law of attraction in any way comparable to the acceptance of The Holy Spirit ?

 

[Fish Catcher Jim]

I am confused.
Am I right in understanding that one demands (rather than humbly asks) absolutely anything (without limit) and then completely forgets about it (impossibly) until it is surprisingly (?) received.

Hi Smiler,
James 4:6
But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.

To throw away humble for demand would leave one on their own.
Demand would be proud, self seeking or self Righteous and God Resist these.
So that means God would not be in it.

Faith does not "demand" for faith needs "Love" to work and Love does not demand or insist on its own way.

Galatians 5 : 6
For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

1 Corinthians 13:4-7

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud.
5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs.
6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth.
7 it always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

Now Faith is...
Hebrews 11 : 1
Faith means ·being sure [the assurance; or the tangible reality;or the sure foundation] of the things we hope for and ·knowing that something is real even if we do not see it [the conviction/assurance/evidence about things not seen].

When it is true Biblical Faith then nothing can sway you, you know, believe, see it deep within your Spirit.
Blessings
FCJ

 

[Peter Luke]

"True faith is different to how most people understand the law of attraction."

Now, that is something that intrigues me. I can't believe that Manifesting really works as wonderfully as it is claimed. In what is the faith founded ?

I am confused.
Am I right in understanding that one demands (rather than humbly asks) absolutely anything (without limit) and then completely forgets about it (impossibly) until it is surprisingly (?) received. There seems to be no requirement or suggestion of thanksgiving, and there is an acceptance that it will be something to life's advantage.
Is there any real comparison with Christian hope, faith, prayer, and salvation ?

Is the law of attraction in any way comparable to the acceptance of The Holy Spirit ?

Hello Smiler.
First of all, I do not follow what most people think or believe about the laws of attraction. That is, most exploit it in serving self and not what is true.

Secondly, I never said anything about demanding (let alone requesting), for absolutely anything. It is about knowing you might have a need but not needing it - and that creates the void. Example, I may be dying and have a need to be well, but I know I am still okay regardless if I am dying, so I have no need for being well. It is leaving the need to God / Truth. If the need is true, then its truth will manifest. for God/Truth still has plans for me to remain truthful on earth. If the need is not true, then I am still okay with dying and I die, because God/Truth has other plans for me.

Regarding thanksgiving; a Christian is in praise on a daily basis (as far as I know what a Christian does). Whatever we do in truth is done with praise, not because of gaining something, but because we are doing something in truth. It is the expression of being true (liberated, salvation, genuine, and realistic as God /truth wants us to be). So while I may have a need and yet not needing it, I am already in praise for whatever happens, because to walk with God/Truth is to accept everything unconditionally.

Regarding comparability to the Holy Spirit; the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth. What I have been talking about is about Truth. If I did not accept the Holy Spirit then I am not talking about Truth, but being deceptive.
Discern (listening to the Spirit of Truth) whether what I say is true or not.

 

[Smiler]

Thank you both, Jim and Peter Luke, for your contributions.
It was just that the law of attraction was mentioned, and that to me conjured up all the unreasonable things I had heard and read about the demanding and expectation of the supply of wants rather than needs, and it is the association of any faith with the process which eludes me.
I have made a copy of this page and shall study it intently. Many thanks and Blessings.

 

[Cturtle]

Thank you both, Jim and Peter Luke, for your contributions.
It was just that the law of attraction was mentioned, and that to me conjured up all the unreasonable things I had heard and read about the demanding and expectation of the supply of wants rather than needs, and it is the association of any faith with the process which eludes me.
I have made a copy of this page and shall study it intently. Many thanks and Blessings.

Here is a Scripture for you to add my friend...

For His divine power has bestowed upon us all things that [are requisite and suited] to life and godliness, through the [full, personal] knowledge of Him Who called us by and to His own glory and excellence (virtue).
2 Peter 1:3 AMPC
http://bible.com/8/2pe.1.3.AMPC

Everything we need/want has already been set aside by God for us... we just have to withdraw it from our heavenly bank account by faith in His ability to provide it, and His desire for us to have it

Blessings to you, young man