Revelation

Cosia said:
Although it was happening before our time, I believe these things happennow too. That us why I find them helpful.
Gpd is gracious. He tells us what He is not happy with and what to do about it.
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YES mamn.

Although the seven letters in the Rev. are tailored to the named churches, these churches and their stated deficiencies symbolize all churches in one respect or another. The instruction given to Revelation’s congregations, therefore, is valuable to Christian congregations today.
 
REVELATION 2:18-29.........
And unto the angel of the church in Thyatira write; These things saith the Son of God, who hath his eyes like unto a flame of fire, and his feet are like fine brass;
19 I know thy works, and charity, and service, and faith, and thy patience, and thy works; and the last to be more than the first.
20 Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto idols.
21 And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not.
22 Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
23 And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto every one of you according to your works.
24 But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak; I will put upon you none other burden.
25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.
26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:
27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.
28 And I will give him the morning star.
29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

This church is commended for their work, faith and service.

Then they are rebuked for allowing a certain WOMAN named "Jezebel" to teach the false doctrine of Balaam. We discussed in the past section and it is again....a teaching which marries fornication with idoltery.

This begs this question. Should women be pastors of churches today?????
Now if you are a woman, and want to post a response please read this before you post something that will embarrass you.
Now remember, I teach the BIBLE not opinions and what I WANT TO BELIEVE.

1 Timothy 3:1-5.......
"This is a faithful saying: If a man desires the position of a bishop, he desires a good work. 2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach; 3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous; 4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence 5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?); "

In the Greek.....all the highlited are "Masculine" and can not be interpreted as HUMANITY.

This was the "Corrupt" church.

It is the the least important of all the churches. It was deep in the OCCULT.

OCCULT = Fortune telling/divination/ witchcraft.

It is the prophetic time frame of the Roman Emperor Constitine who declared himself the 1st Catholic Pope!!!!

The word CATHOLIC = Universal!

In verse #20, the word "seduce" means a departure from BIBLICAL truth where rituals and tradition took the place of personal faith in Christ.

This was the beginning of the worship of the Virgin Mary and her child.

It was in this church that the 1st Mass was given for the dead.

Power and authority rule was in the hands of the POPE. It was when the Roman Inquisition began which led to the death of approx. 22 million people.

Of all the church's, the most severe warning given to any of the churchs was given to this one.

Do you think that this church listened to Christ's warning??????????
 
Dave F. said:
Based on the little I know about the Catholic church today I would say they have not heeded the warning.
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Well.......in my past, I did several productions for the SBC on "Cults". Now I do not want to get in trouble with our wonderful moderators or anyone here on the forum, so allow me to say to you that the Catholic church does not promote "BIBLE Christianity. "
 
This will be a minority position here, and although I am not RC, I still feel sad whenever I see this begin.

That is, the "Body of Christ" those who have "heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit" then attack itself and start to chew off its own foot, literally and figuratively.

If one reads the news we see there are recognized failures in most, if not all assemblies, whatsoever their excuses may be. Admittedly, human failures abound, and so this is not a persuasive argument in itself, but I come to this:

1 Corinthians 12-27
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Now perhaps I have painted a target on my back, but I believe the greatest danger is from outside of all assemblies of the Body and if we continue to work mischief from within then all the Advisory needs do is to be patient.

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I was not suggesting that all Catholics are lost, however, those who believe they can go and sin and then confess to a priest, say a hail Mary or 2 and kiss the rosary and all is forgiven are indeed lost. I am referring to blatant willful sin such as some of the mobsters of old and drug lords of today.
 
blueskies
I concur !
We do not have the ability to read hearts, only God does. Just as Jesus said to the Jews when he ministered," I have sheep of another fold that ye know not of". We know he referenced the Gentiles of which the Jews thought of as dogs.

There are many from different denominations that some claim are not saved, HOW DO THEY KNOW?
I have learned to listen to what other denoms say and compare what the individual says opposed to what their denominations state. Why ?

Some ppl have no choice of the church they attend when they are under their parents authority. I do believe many have come OUT of certain denominations and have seen the TRUTH. Somewhere in their heart the Spirit planted a desire to KNOW God, whatever church they were in.

This again is why I hate for ppl to identify and label themselves such and such instead of saying they are children of God or any of the many of identifying terms with Him.

I recently spoke with a lady who gave me a copy of her creed or statement of faith.
There were 25 statements there. After reading through them I told her that most likely I could worship with her. The 2 I could not agree on was the importance they placed on another human.

We must let God keep his body and we must love one another
 
blueskies said:
I still feel sad whenever I see this begin.

That is, the "Body of Christ" those who have "heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit" then attack itself and start to chew off its own foot, literally and figuratively.
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If one reads the news we see there are recognized failures in most, if not all assemblies, whatsoever their excuses may be. Admittedly, human failures abound, and so this is not a persuasive argument in itself, but I come to this:
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Perhaps in part due to...

For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
(1Co 11:18-19)

and...

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
(1Jn 2:19)

Anecdotally, I have found those who are adept at 'Church politics' are able to push their agenda..which may not coincide with God's agenda/will.
 
blueskies said:
This will be a minority position here, and although I am not RC, I still feel sad whenever I see this begin.

That is, the "Body of Christ" those who have "heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit" then attack itself and start to chew off its own foot, literally and figuratively.

If one reads the news we see there are recognized failures in most, if not all assemblies, whatsoever their excuses may be. Admittedly, human failures abound, and so this is not a persuasive argument in itself, but I come to this:

1 Corinthians 12-27
12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.

15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?

17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?

18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.

19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?

20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.

22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:

23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

24 For our comely parts have no need: but God hath tempered the body together, having given more abundant honour to that part which lacked.

25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.

26 And whether one member suffer, all the members suffer with it; or one member be honoured, all the members rejoice with it.

27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Now perhaps I have painted a target on my back, but I believe the greatest danger is from outside of all assemblies of the Body and if we continue to work mischief from within then all the Advisory needs do is to be patient.

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You are correct.

But we must understand what it is that we are talking about.

I actually agree and for the 1st Baptist church to go to war with the Assembly of God or the Methodist's is not what we/I are talking about.

What I am saying is that if a Church calls itself "Christian", and says that along with faith in Jesus Christ to be saved, a man must also accept MUFASA the Lion King------do we accept that as a Bible Christian denomination????

Consider the Church of Jesus Christ, The Latter Day Saints.
Do we accept their position as claiming to be a Christian denomination simply because they say so????
Should we investigate? Know what they teach? Challenge any Bible errors? Or do we just sit back and allow them to continue because they say they are IN THE BODY?

ARE THEY?

Or do we identify it as something else altogether????

NO TARGETS! Just proposing logical responses to a great post my friend.
 
crossnote said:
Perhaps in part due to...

For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
(1Co 11:18-19)

and...

They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
(1Jn 2:19)

Anecdotally, I have found those who are adept at 'Church politics' are able to push their agenda..which may not coincide with God's agenda/will.
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And of course..........AMEN!
 
Dave F. said:
I was not suggesting that all Catholics are lost, however, those who believe they can go and sin and then confess to a priest, say a hail Mary or 2 and kiss the rosary and all is forgiven are indeed lost. I am referring to blatant willful sin such as some of the mobsters of old and drug lords of today.
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Agreed!
 
Dave F. said:
I was not suggesting that all Catholics are lost, however, those who believe they can go and sin and then confess to a priest, say a hail Mary or 2 and kiss the rosary and all is forgiven are indeed lost. I am referring to blatant willful sin such as some of the mobsters of old …
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Dear Dave, I did not intend to call you out in particular.
Thank you for your response.
In regards to your response I do feel that the idea that one can sin all week and receive absolution on Sunday is not a RC view but rather endemic in the Body as a whole.
Thank you again.
D3vot3d2G0d said:
We must let God keep his body and we must love one another
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Yes, that is how I interpret His message also. Bless you.
crossnote said:
For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.
(1Co 11:18-19)
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This is interesting is it not. I can interpret this as an admonition as much as an endorsement.
But that is the glory and greatness of scripture, it has levels within levels and multiple viewpoints.
Thank you for your answer.
Major said:
What I am saying is that if a Church calls itself "Christian",
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Dear Major, I understand, we should be skeptical for our own walk, however who among us is so pure as to take up the task of judgement. Additionally, and more to the point, I am more concerned about how they will live their life than what they profess. We’ve had fellowship and prayed with LDS, JW and other groups I personally would not endorse or advocate for, but still, there was a coming together in Christ.

I guess I place a great deal of importance on were we connect and less on where we diverge. I trust, as I know you do, that Almighty Father will sort things out in His time and way.

Lastly, I had no desire to de-rail your work and will step back now.
Thank you for the thoughtful response and your patience.
God Bless us all.
 
blueskies said:
Dear Dave, I did not intend to call you out in particular.
Thank you for your response.
In regards to your response I do feel that the idea that one can sin all week and receive absolution on Sunday is not a RC view but rather endemic in the Body as a whole.
Thank you again.

Yes, that is how I interpret His message also. Bless you.

This is interesting is it not. I can interpret this as an admonition as much as an endorsement.
But that is the glory and greatness of scripture, it has levels within levels and multiple viewpoints.
Thank you for your answer.

Dear Major, I understand, we should be skeptical for our own walk, however who among us is so pure as to take up the task of judgement. Additionally, and more to the point, I am more concerned about how they will live their life than what they profess. We’ve had fellowship and prayed with LDS, JW and other groups I personally would not endorse or advocate for, but still, there was a coming together in Christ.

I guess I place a great deal of importance on were we connect and less on where we diverge. I trust, as I know you do, that Almighty Father will sort things out in His time and way.

Lastly, I had no desire to de-rail your work and will step back now.
Thank you for the thoughtful response and your patience.
God Bless us all.
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No de-railment seen BLUE. Only discussion that is opened by the Holy Spirit. That is what Bible study is all about.

My thoughts are that "Ecumenicalism" can be dangerous if one is not careful. Remember.........when you pray with and talk theologically with LDS and JW they are not doing it out of love for you or the Lord Jesus Christ.

You see.......they are "Committed" to their faith and they actually grow in status by RECRUITING YOU! That is their purpose!
They are NOT Christians and do not have the love of Christ in them. The LDS are focused on Joseph Smith and the JW deny the diety of Christ and the Holy Spirit altogether.

If you are witnessing to them the gospel so that they will have the opportunity to come to Christ and be saved, then yes, but one must be alert because they are specifically trained to respond to your efforts.
 
My thoughts:
What is our walk here on earth about ?
Mk.13:10 ( context 8-11 )
And the GOSPEL must first be published among ALL NATIONS.
1Cor.9:19 ( context 16-19)
For though I be free from all men,yet have I made myself servant unto ALL, that I might gain the more.

Are we NOT the light bearers of Jesus Christ and his salvation ?
1 Cor.6:2 ( context 1-3 )
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behold NOW is the accepted time;
behold, NOW is the day of salvation.

Hasn't he TOLD us EXACTLY to whom to share the word with?
Jn.3:17 ( context 15-18)
For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

Are we to fear others or their designs or rather to love ?
1 Jn.4:18 ( context 16-19 )
There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

We cannot be contaminated by others by association. We sin when we are drawn away of our own lust.
 
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