Ha, those were actually some of the versus I was reading before I posted.Trick question
Acts 19:2 (KJV)
He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
He is the earnest (downpayment) of our salvation:
Ephesians 1:13-14 (KJV)
In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.
So there is definitely a duality to the Holy Spirit in a Christian's life. One is our sealing of salvation. The other is in the power of God manifested here on earth. He is the same Spirit by which Jesus did all He did as man and the Spirit we too are to live by to do more than Jesus did.
Does this answer your question?
Since the Holy Spirit is the seal on a person, He is in that person for their salvation. At the same time, they didn't yet have the baptism of the Holy Spirit which is what Jesus received in the Jordan, and by Him has power to do the power of God. One is of the sealed soul the other is into the body to be manifested. Read what happened when He entered their body:Ha, those were actually some of the versus I was reading before I posted.
So for the disciples that said they had not heard of the Holy Spirit in this particular passage- Were they saved and didn't have Holy spirit? Were they saved and didn't know they had the Holy Spirit? Or were they not saved until they received the Holy Spirit.
2 Corth. 5:17.........Bible exercise - Can a person be saved and not have the Holy Spirit?
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Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)How can you tell? In what qualitative way is a believer who supposedly has the Holy Spirit different from a typical non-believer?
You know anybody who can actually do those things?Mark 16:17-18 (KJV)
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues; They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
I do not doubt you. In my experience those who are truly "servants of God" are rare. As are, in my opinion, those who actually are indwelt by the Holy Spirit.My wife was healed by someone she met only 30 seconds earlier and they didn't speak the same language. I know because I introduced them to one another and I had to translate. I didn't even know my fiance at the time had a chronic condition. She never said a word to me and they had never met before because she was Spain, they were Americans, and we were stationed in Italy. Not only did my friend hear from the Lord of her condition, but prayed for her and she got healed. I don't expect you to believe me, nor do I blame you, I would not have either had I not been present to witness it. And I consider myself one who believes in this "stuff".
I think if we stick to the original question alone, this would make a very fine discussion.. but often these topics go into a debate about of Baptism of Holy Spirit.. Which I think is not the intend here..Bible exercise - Can a person be saved and not have the Holy Spirit?
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The same way we are saved, the shed blood of Jesus Christ. They had a faith given to them by the Spirit of God similar to ours, although they did not know the exact name of the one God would send.But one thing that always puzzles.. How OT people were saved? If we are saved through faith, how about OT people? Were they saved through faith? If so, faith on what or whom? Did they have indwelling of Holy Spirit?
One scripture I know well is :But one thing that always puzzles.. How OT people were saved? If we are saved through faith, how about OT people? Were they saved through faith? If so, faith on what or whom? Did they have indwelling of Holy Spirit?
It is interesting that John the Baptist was filled with the Holy Spirit from birth, and he was the one who recognized Jesus as the lamb of God who came to take away the sins of the world. That was a huge revelation by the Spirit of God to him. John lived under the old testament. Later we find John while in prison, began to doubt weather or not Jesus really was the Christ!! So he sent his followers to ask Jesus if he really was the one, or should they look for another.But one thing that always puzzles.. How OT people were saved? If we are saved through faith, how about OT people? Were they saved through faith? If so, faith on what or whom? Did they have indwelling of Holy Spirit?