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So my Mom and I connected yesterday [it's been since last year with no contact]. I have had a chance to reach out, impart scripture and so forth with her. I got her the Experiencing God Bible that I have been studying both scripture and personal questions to address and apply the Word of God in my daily life. It has been a great tool for me. I got her one in hopes that it will encourage and give her some things to think about as she is reading the Bible [becoming solid on the foundation of God's Word].

The topic came up. Do you pray in the Spirit? I said what do you mean? She goes in tongues. Hope turned around and said Grandma, that is evil. It is occultic. She dismissed the entire bases of scripture and my Mom said no it doesn't mean that. She said oh where did you hear THAT..... Hope said Grandma the bible says it.

She is still practicing occult mixed with christianity. It grieves me SO much. Speaking in gibberish isn't biblical - she wasn't really receptive to it.

Your thoughts, your prayers and comfort is needed.

Thank you.

I have written an email but I don't want to go ahead in my flesh. But written don't want to associate with her either because of the practices she using. I pray for her daily. She still hangs around with people who still believe in New Age, witchcraft, divination and tarot cards etc.
 
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Hi TransformedinChrist
We cannot discuss speaking I'm tongues or occult or witchcraft as they are topics that are banned on CFS
This is because both topics always end up in bad feelings between the posters and people can be very insulting to each other


Anything that separates you from your mother is sad and painful. I understand that and am sorry you are suffering like this.

It has to be your decision and you are doing the right thing by praying about it. Go by what you feel God is leading you to do. It really has to be your decision TIC
This is between you and God.

You are praying about it and you want to do the right thing
Whatever you decide do not let anyone judge you.
Praying for you and your Mother.
God Bless dear Sister.
 
Cosia said:
Hi TransformedinChrist
We cannot discuss speaking I'm tongues or occult or witchcraft as they are topics that are banned on CFS
This is because both topics always end up in bad feelings between the posters and people can be very insulting to each other


Anything that separates you from your mother is sad and painful. I understand that and am sorry you are suffering like this.

It has to be your decision and you are doing the right thing by praying about it. Go by what you feel God is leading you to do. It really has to be your decision TIC
This is between you and God.

You are praying about it and you want to do the right thing
Whatever you decide do not let anyone judge you.
Praying for you and your Mother.
God Bless dear Sister.
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So sorry! You can delete it.
 
I've had some experience along that line and I feel the right thing is not to come down on your mother with a 'hammer'. If her views/beliefs are contrary to scripture (and you are firmly scripturally based) you should hear her out and cause her to consider her/your position by your christian attitude and approach. No one gets beat into true submission but love triumphs over all. If your mother comes to respect/love your fellowship she may consider what you have to say.
 
'Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times.'

Matthew 18:21-22

In matters such as these I believe we are called upon to be forgiving. Love your mother and connect with her as best you can. It's difficult for parents to accept council from their children since that upsets the fundamental balance of power between you. She is your mother, after all. ;) But you can love her and pray for her and leave the rest to God.
 
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I've had some experience along that line and I feel the right thing is not to come down on your mother with a 'hammer'. If her views/beliefs are contrary to scripture (and you are firmly scripturally based) you should hear her out and cause her to consider her/your position by your christian attitude and approach. No one gets beat into true submission but love triumphs over all. If your mother comes to respect/love your fellowship she may consider what you have to say.
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I agree. In that totally.
 
LearningToLetGo said:
'Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often will my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy-seven times.'

Matthew 18:21-22

In matters such as these I believe we are called upon to be forgiving. Love your mother and connect with her as best you can. It's difficult for parents to accept council from their children since that upsets the fundamental balance of power between you. She is your mother, after all. ;) But you can love her and pray for her and leave the rest to God.
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I agree she is my Mother. It's not about being right, it's about bringing truth, validity and entirety of the Word of God in the forefront of our lives. I want her to walk in the light of the gospel and grow in her faith on Christ. This in no way benefits me. I desire for her to truly be set free. ✨️ We do love her. ❤️ We still have to not be unequally yoked, fellowship with others who contiune to practice these things. It's how the church became infiltrated when you don't address and tip toe around various issues. Satan goes to church. I am very protective of my daughters spiritual lives. Garbage in and garbage out.

For the time we do have I am grateful but guarded.

Please contiune to pray for us. Thank you.
 
2404 said:
I've had some experience along that line and I feel the right thing is not to come down on your mother with a 'hammer'. If her views/beliefs are contrary to scripture (and you are firmly scripturally based) you should hear her out and cause her to consider her/your position by your christian attitude and approach. No one gets beat into true submission but love triumphs over all. If your mother comes to respect/love your fellowship she may consider what you have to say.
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Amen !

I wish we were able to civilly and Biblically discuss this issue but unfortunately it always digresses into personal attacks.

From where I was brought up in the Pentacostal faith........the only way to reach those who believe in what they "think and have been taught" is to educate them in what the Bible actually does say and with the power of the Holy Spirit to correct those deep seated teachings.

Hammering and argueing will not get it done, I promise you that.
 
TransformedinChrist said:
I agree she is my Mother. It's not about being right, it's about bringing truth, validity and entirety of the Word of God in the forefront of our lives. I want her to walk in the light of the gospel and grow in her faith on Christ. This in no way benefits me. I desire for her to truly be set free. ✨️ We do love her. ❤️ We still have to not be unequally yoked, fellowship with others who contiune to practice these things. It's how the church became infiltrated when you don't address and tip toe around various issues. Satan goes to church. I am very protective of my daughters spiritual lives. Garbage in and garbage out.

For the time we do have I am grateful but guarded.

Please contiune to pray for us. Thank you.
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Listen sister............I am in agreement with you!!!

I wish I could tell you a lot about this subject and if you would like to PM me I will be glad to give teach why you are Biblically correct. I have produced many study guides over the years on this subject.

But, being careful to not break the forum rules, please allow me to tell you these TWO things............
1. Speaking in tongues is not a requirement for salvation.
2. Speaking in tongues is not a sign of being more spiritual than anyone else!

My advice is to leave this subject alone when speaking with your mother. She is your mother and deserves respect and honor and just thank God that she is saved. Tell your children that even though they are Biblically correct, try and not discuss this with you mother...........UNLESS she approaches you with wanting to know what YOU think is Biblically true.

That would mean that the Holy Spirit is working on he and she is then open to be EDUCATED Biblically....not Denominationally!
 
Major said:
Listen sister............I am in agreement with you!!!

I wish I could tell you a lot about this subject and if you would like to PM me I will be glad to give teach why you are Biblically correct. I have produced many study guides over the years on this subject.

But, being careful to not break the forum rules, please allow me to tell you these TWO things............
1. Speaking in tongues is not a requirement for salvation.
2. Speaking in tongues is not a sign of being more spiritual than anyone else!

My advice is to leave this subject alone when speaking with your mother. She is your mother and deserves respect and honor and just thank God that she is saved. Tell your children that even though they are Biblically correct, try and not discuss this with you mother...........UNLESS she approaches you with wanting to know what YOU think is Biblically true.

That would mean that the Holy Spirit is working on he and she is then open to be EDUCATED Biblically....not Denominationally!
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Thank you Major. Please do PM me.
 
What do you need encouragement about?
Your mother prays in tongues...she is actually praying and reaching out to you with a question. You may not understand which tongue - to you its gibberish. But to God who understands all tongues, It's magnifying His name. (some christians do this, it is not evil - PAYING for the holy spirit is evil though)

If you don't pray in tongues it's fine. Its far better to understand what you are praying although praying isn't for your benefit only.

Occult practices though, are to be discouraged. I once worked in a bookshop that sold tarot cards. In my community, there live a lot of witches. My boss, who professes to be christian, still has them for sale. If I were the boss, I would not have them on the shelves and the witches would have to go elsewhere. But the bookshop also sells Bibles. So I could always direct witches looking for something spiritual to the Bible.

In the end I was dropped working in the bookshop but I cant dictate who comes into the bookshop or what books they will buy.

My own mother has zero spiritual practices. So that might be even harder, but I still manage to live with her. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. Her not being a Christian doesn't stop ME from being a Christian though. I have spiritual mothers I can go to (older women in Christ) who can pray for me. We do all the mother daughter things my own mum doesn't really do with me.
 
When I got out of the occult I threw a lot of occult books and paraphenalia away and stopped going to groups and those kinds of new age expos and meditation and yoga etc. But that was because I was convicted about it.

Best thing is to pray that God shows your mother what He wants and she doesn't need all the extra stuff which is divination.
You can say to your mum, your own relationship with God is based on faith not doubt and fear of the unknown. You are the one who is more mature in Christ than she is. Some people have good intentions it's not that they may use witchcraft for evil purposes but it's rebelling against God rather than trusting Him. Even the witch of Endor in the Bible, when she channeled Samuel, didn't want to do it and actually annoyed him by waking him up. Saul was in the end chastened.

So you can give that as a clear example in the Bible that God isn't pleased with it, as it opens the door to a lot of drama and spiritual entities that are NOT of God. But also let her know that God is merciful and forgiving and will help her discern. Sometimes all the spiritual practices etc are a lot of signs and wonders because people naturally demand a sign or a wonder to be convinced God still does miracles, but they overlook the miraculous things He does everyday.
 
Cosia said:
Hi TransformedinChrist
We cannot discuss speaking I'm tongues or occult or witchcraft as they are topics that are banned on CFS
This is because both topics always end up in bad feelings between the posters and people can be very insulting to each other


Anything that separates you from your mother is sad and painful. I understand that and am sorry you are suffering like this.

It has to be your decision and you are doing the right thing by praying about it. Go by what you feel God is leading you to do. It really has to be your decision TIC
This is between you and God.

You are praying about it and you want to do the right thing
Whatever you decide do not let anyone judge you.
Praying for you and your Mother.
God Bless dear Sister.
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I don't understand why most people leap to the assumption that "praying in the spirit" is a matter of speaking in tongues.

We can forget tongues! Why? Let's allow scripture to speak for itself:

1 Corinthians 14:13-15
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

BOOM!

SLAM DUNK!

There we have it. Praying WITH the Spirit, and our understanding remains intact and fruitful.

See. This has nothing to do about arguing over tongues, because Paul made it clear that praying IN the Spirit is simply a matter of praying WITH the Spirit, and in a manner that our understanding is edified, built up, enlarged in understanding of the deeper things of the Spirit.

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
I don't understand why most people leap to the assumption that "praying in the spirit" is a matter of speaking in tongues.

We can forget tongues! Why? Let's allow scripture to speak for itself:

1 Corinthians 14:13-15
13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue pray that he may interpret.
14 For if I pray in an [unknown] tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.

BOOM!

SLAM DUNK!

There we have it. Praying WITH the Spirit, and our understanding remains intact and fruitful.

See. This has nothing to do about arguing over tongues, because Paul made it clear that praying IN the Spirit is simply a matter of praying WITH the Spirit, and in a manner that our understanding is edified, built up, enlarged in understanding of the deeper things of the Spirit.

MM
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She told me tongues [since I have been raised in Pentecostal Oneness] - it wasn't an assumption. It is also the history and background personally my Mother and I have subjected to.

Now if you are taking separately to that fact. That's fine but I was addressing my situation.

I understand walking in the Spirit [fruits of the Spirit etc]. But there was no assumption on my part regarding my Mom. Just wanted to clarify that.
 
TransformedinChrist said:
She told me tongues [since I have been raised in Pentecostal Oneness] - it wasn't an assumption. It is also the history and background personally my Mother and I have subjected to.

Now if you are taking separately to that fact. That's fine but I was addressing my situation.

I understand walking in the Spirit [fruits of the Spirit etc]. But there was no assumption on my part regarding my Mom. Just wanted to clarify that.
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I was speaking expansively, not specifically to you and your mom. I addressed what "most" people believe, and that was based upon my experience with the Pentecostal groupings who pretty much believe the same along this line. I was married to a Pentecostal for 28 years before she passed on.

So, the conclusion remains that most within the charismatic flavors do see praying in tongues a matter of tongues, when in fact it's not.

In other words, I was simply bringing some clarity to the topic rather than to leave it all hanging out there in the winds of subjectivism, which defines much of the religious movement base in the world. The error in my address of this was in not narrowing down the scope of my treatise to Pentecostalism. Sorry about that. I should have been more precise.

So, that's my experience with it.

As to your personal situation with your mom...yeah, that's a tough one. The only real answer is prayer for her. The Lord breaks through when we are not able.

MM
 
What is pentecostal oneness. Is it a new age sort of christianity. Is it similar to charismatics. Or completely different. Are all pentecostal churches oneness? What is the difference between the pentecostal oneness and the other pentecostal churches.

I don't think we have them in nz, we seem to have Apostolic churches though which are something else. And I'm sure there are still Word of Faith churches teachings floating round have to be a bit wary of those. God steered me away from them for a while, I mean some of them were good but it was kind of christianity-lite for me and had extra biblical things that didn't line up with the Word I found. But then not every church is perfect, I mean some baptists can be out there, and theres all different kinds of baptists too - fundamental, independent, reformed, particular...so confusing.

I mean whatever church you go to you sort of have to keep reading the Word yourself and not get too reliant on one teaching or pet doctrine after all everyone is given different gifts so its not likely every church you go to will be all alike.
 
No not all Charismatics are that way. They are way over the limit with things labelled as the Holy Spirit. Jerking, shaking, laughing uncontrollably, screaming./crying uncontrollably [they believe this is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit] which is not as God is not the author of chaos. Like Bethel and Hillsong for example - they do grave soaking, and so much other very bizarre practices that are occultic. They believe in the NAR doctrine and kingdom now. Remember people can still read the "Word" but it has to be in context and in it's entirety. I agree we aren't all going to agree on certain but when occultic practices infiltrates the church or you start to believe in name it and claim it, word of faith, prosperity gospel, NAR and so many others - the point is Paul preaches that no other gospel is to be preached than the one they have preached. Accursed to them that preaches any other gospel. I grew up on all of that "experiential, voodoo type occultism practices within the church.

Bible warns of: Satan attacks God's program, the Church, by..
False philosophies - Colossians 2:8
False religions - 1 Corinthians 10:19
False ministers - 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
False doctrine - 1 John 2:18
False disciples - Matthew 13
False morals - 2 Thessalonians 2:7

It is very important to study all, measure it up to God's Word, test the Spirits [discernment] and see the fruits of the Spirits.
 
TransformedinChrist said:
No not all Charismatics are that way. They are way over the limit with things labelled as the Holy Spirit. Jerking, shaking, laughing uncontrollably, screaming./crying uncontrollably [they believe this is the manifestation of the Holy Spirit] which is not as God is not the author of chaos. Like Bethel and Hillsong for example - they do grave soaking, and so much other very bizarre practices that are occultic. They believe in the NAR doctrine and kingdom now. Remember people can still read the "Word" but it has to be in context and in it's entirety. I agree we aren't all going to agree on certain but when occultic practices infiltrates the church or you start to believe in name it and claim it, word of faith, prosperity gospel, NAR and so many others - the point is Paul preaches that no other gospel is to be preached than the one they have preached. Accursed to them that preaches any other gospel. I grew up on all of that "experiential, voodoo type occultism practices within the church.

Bible warns of: Satan attacks God's program, the Church, by..
False philosophies - Colossians 2:8
False religions - 1 Corinthians 10:19
False ministers - 2 Corinthians 11:14-15
False doctrine - 1 John 2:18
False disciples - Matthew 13
False morals - 2 Thessalonians 2:7

It is very important to study all, measure it up to God's Word, test the Spirits [discernment] and see the fruits of the Spirits.
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Sorry, I meant to say "praying in the spirit is not a matter of praying in tongues" in post #16 above.

Good post, TiC.

MM
 
Musicmaster said:
Sorry, I meant to say "praying in the spirit is not a matter of praying in tongues" in post #16 above.

Good post, TiC.

MM
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Yes agreed - depending where you are standing though MM. In Charismatic it is [everyone immediately retorts to speaking gibberish in tongues labeled as praying in the Spirit]. Yes I agree they are not clearly taking the scripture in context for what it means - 100% no argument there.
 
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