Very well said Sister !!
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Very well said Sister !!
Nope. All our sins have been punished on Jesus. Sinners have to receive the free gift of God's grace---salvation! That is not confusion!
1 John 2:2
He himself is the sacrifice that atones for our sins—and not only our sins but the sins of all the world.
Jim, scripture teaches the opposite of what you are teaching, if the natural considers the gospel to be foolishness he wont choose it! Because Nicodemus was a natural man he rejected the preaching from the worlds best preacher.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Joh 3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
Joh 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Joh 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Joh 3:8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
Are you saying Jesus did not Atone for ALL humans, either He did or didn't, if He did their sins are dealt with and they can never end up in Hell.
If as you say, Jesus died for all sin, then how can anybody end up in Hell who's sin has been atoned for???? You are not making sense, either He Atoned for their sins or He did not.
My point is, nobody can save themselves by embracing the gospel, because they consider it to be foolishness.
1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 1Co 2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
Sorry, but scripture does not preach universal salvation.
There is no need to tell them that God loves them, because they might think everything is OK when it isn't. They need to hear that they are guilty law breakers under the wrath of God and are on their way to Hell, then hopefully they will repent.
Bump to Euphemia.
Sorry, but scripture does not teach universal salvation, if you say Jesus Atoned for the sins of ALL humans, then nobody could end up in Hell, all who preach that need to make up their minds, either He atoned for all humans (universal salvation) or He did not Atone for the sins of all humans. Please clarify to eliminate the confusion.
I have never said anything other than Jesus having paid for all sin, disease, curse, condemnation and death. Those who reject Him will have to suffer the price of their own sin...which makes it terribly inequitable, doesn't it? Sinners end up paying despite the fact that their bill was already paid in full. Makes one shake his head realizing how foolish people really are.
I don't have to define world. Jesus says I am in the world, and commissioned to proclaim the gospel of grace to the world, but I am not of the world.
John 17:14-18
I have given them your word. And the world hates them because they do not belong to the world, just as I do not belong to the world. 15 I’m not asking you to take them out of the world, but to keep them safe from the evil one. 16 They do not belong to this world any more than I do. 17 Make them holy by your truth; teach them your word, which is truth. 18 Just as you sent me into the world, I am sending them into the world.
The natural mind sees the truth as foolishness, but Holy Spirit is powerful to quicken the truth to the natural mind and awaken his spirit to the truth, to faith, and to life in Christ.
I believe in that very miracle of faith. Don't you?
If you have been saved, how on earth did you receive your salvation apart from having your spiritual eyes opened by the Holy Spirit to the truth of the gospel message?
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That is correct, so you can stop making silly allegations, now. No one here has said anything akin to universalism except you.
Sorry, but I do not preach universalism. It is a demonic belief. Now, please do not repeat this nonsense here, unless you are determined to bring strife.
You didn't answer the question, is it yes or no??
Are you saying Jesus did not Atone for ALL humans, either He did or didn't, if He did their sins are dealt with and they can never end up in Hell.
The video I gave will help you understand a little better.
If as you say Jesus Christ Atoned for the sins of ALL humans, then you ARE preaching universalism.
Great! Now we are getting somewhere, what does the Holy Spirit do to the natural man to make him believe??
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