Teachers on strike...why?

Where does the money come from apart from taxes/rates...good question.

In schools they used to always fundraise. Or they got sponsored by wealthy people who were benefactors. In my school the Houses are mostly named after wealthy accountants who paid for the school. And its been bought and sold a few times. I don't know who by, but some wealthy organisation or philanthropist must own these schools.

I didn't know you could invest in schools, like a business? Angel investors? I know some private schools don't pay taxes, or they put their money in overseas tax shelters or swiss bank accounts. The very wealthy do this all the time. In the US they use the Cayman Islands or Delaware, where you don't have to pay tax.

I mean who owns Cambridge or Oxford University? How do you fund a school it's more than just a building. How do churches get built too? Is it just someone wealthy decides to convert one of their surplus properties into a school and charge students to attend?

With libraries particularly public libraries many were funded by Andrew Carnegie who was extremely wealthy. I don't know if there are people so wealthy that they can buy up an entire town, or country even, but there probably are. Some own their own islands...So maybe a school with a staff or 30-60 is nothing to them...wealthy people used to own plantations and have hundreds of servants/slaves. The children were basically unpaid slave labour.
 
My Principal said we didn't have to ever worry about paying the bills. As the school was owned by an international firm. (with pots of money). Well that's a relief.

Also our teachers aren't worried about paying theirs. They just charge the parents more money.

But in state schools you can't charge the parents fees. Because it's free. The rationale is teachers are training the next workforce and the govt invests money in education so that they can eventually work in the country.

But with private schools as soon as they get their degree they leave the country working somewhere that has more jobs.

So what do you think, we just make schools user or parents pays and nobody gets a free education? What happens to the children poor people who can't afford an education then? Become child slaves? Drug runners? Prostitutes? Win lotto?
 
I asked teachers why they didn't strike during their holiday break (when they are still supposedly working) and they said it made a point and it was SUPPOSED to inconvenience people.

I am sure students could have still gone to school but just had no teachers for the day. I wonder what that would have been like, I think some students actually would have carried on with their work/study regardless of having a teacher in the classroom. Or they could have all come to the library, or just read books all day..!
 
I think instead of school holidays what could happen is just have a 4 day week, so that every teacher gets three days for the weekend and can use one day for no-contact time to prepare their lessons.
That one day will also be for students and children to spend time learning at home or just relaxing or helping their family.

I could post this in my brilliant ideas thread. But I dunno, if I post it there, someone will surely come along to shoot it down.
 
Lanolin said:
I think instead of school holidays what could happen is just have a 4 day week, so that every teacher gets three days for the weekend and can use one day for no-contact time to prepare their lessons.
That one day will also be for students and children to spend time learning at home or just relaxing or helping their family.

I could post this in my brilliant ideas thread. But I dunno, if I post it there, someone will surely come along to shoot it down.
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Lanolin I would suggest and encourage PMing a staff member to review your idea first hand so they can review and give you guidance where it may fall šŸ˜€ ....

It may not be as it seems.

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Hmm ok but it shouldn't be that way.
I created that thread. I really don't know why people bother posting in threads that they don't like. It's already up there anyway, though this is related to teachers working conditions as possible solutions.

I shared this idea with a friend who is a mum and she thought it was a good idea. I know many teachers are exhausted in their jobs, as it is full on every day. By the end of term they are counting down and burned out.
 
Lanolin said:
Hmm ok but it shouldn't be that way.
I created that thread. I really don't know why people bother posting in threads that they don't like. It's already up there anyway, though this is related to teachers working conditions as possible solutions.

I shared this idea with a friend who is a mum and she thought it was a good idea. I know many teachers are exhausted in their jobs, as it is full on every day. By the end of term they are counting down and burned out.
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Right but there are rules to follow and if you are worried about it being taken down then just make sure that you get the okay and the reassurance all is well. It's not exclusive just to one individual, we all have to play nice and keep it a positive friendly environment here in CFS. It's ensuring that all members can participate and enjoy.
 
Ok

I just find my posts always seem to be removed and edited without my knowledge so now I'm never sure if anything will stay up now. This doesn't happen on other forums. I don't tend to post negative or offensive things, though I will always post what is true, I don't make up stories or other peoples things and pass it off as my own thoughts. Everything I write comes from me not someone else. If I quote scripture I make sure I give the reference (chapter and verse)
 
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Ok

I just find my posts always seem to be removed and edited without my knowledge so now I'm never sure if anything will stay up now. This doesn't happen on other forums. I don't tend to post negative or offensive things, though I will always post what is true, I don't make up stories or other peoples things and pass it off as my own thoughts. Everything I write comes from me not someone else. If I quote scripture I make sure I give the reference (chapter and verse)
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Lanolin - The staff had to edit a small part of one of your recent posts regarding a Royal "learning to kill" - Because of defamation liability and the fact that CFS could be sued for libel, that small section of your post was edited to express "learning to go into combat."

We ALL must be careful the way that we express things these days, because the Forum is monitored by hundreds of Search Engines each day and anything that might trigger legal action against CFS will be evaluated and edited. This is NOT censorship, but rather a process that protects CFS from legal action from outside interests. Thank you for your understanding.



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why would someone be going on CFS and suing us for 'defaming' them. We just tell the truth.
People DO learn to kill in the army, that's just what happens. They do other things, take people hostage, torture people, destroy cities and towns, blow up things, but it is one thing that Prince Harry admitted he did in his OWN memoir. So he can't have defamed himself.

Besides, when I post things, it 's on me not CFS.

Every year, we commemorate ANZAC day where thousands of nzers and australians were slaughtered in Gallipoli. You can't say they just 'died in combat' they were killed before they even had a chance. Machine gunned down. 2779 nzers. They didn't just fall over into quicksand and drown.

If you want to change my words to make a euphemism and say all those soldiers 'passed away' or 'went to sleep' so that nobody can sue you well I don't think I can post here anymore.
 
Secondary teachers are striking again...and ECE teachers aren't happy with budgets in nz.

Parents and students aren't happy with disruption but nothing they can do..unless legislation changes. I have brilliant idea. 4 day week!
 
Hello Lanolin - Please don't take this personally as to the slight word editing in your "TV Viewing Habits" post. This is done occasionally for all members when the staff sees a potential issue with any of the Forum operations, until such time as we can verify that the content is accurate.

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Ok thanks
I just feel a bit indignant about my words being changed, probably how God feels when people attribute things to Him that He didn't say.

Not to say I'm God or anything, it just makes me feel I'm being silenced or something.

I let children practice writing, at my old school I'd give them chalk markers so they could write on the windows and white board markers and got them making signs for the library. Well one day the principal came along and saw a hand made sign that was full of spelling mistakes and got all upset. She made me take it down

The way I handle it is not to change or correct it myself (as some teachers probably want to do) but tell the child and ask them to read it and correct it, or point out to them, or, if they are writing something, ask me for the spelling, if the word was what they meant to write. These children are learning new words and vocab everyday!

Children are generally be honest, but after Year 4 a lot of them learn to lie. Who teaches them that...it seems some teachers do, to have them not mean what they say so they won't get in trouble. I don't like that about school. Teachers expect everyone to be perfect, when actually children will make mistakes and are still learning. And some children will hunt out the truth of the matter and not be taken in by adults glossing over things.
 
Common mistake - 'libary' instead of library. Children do call it the 'liberry' as well. The BR sound can be hard to pronounce.
Though I've never actually seen a teacher TEACH library skills or library vocab. They all come to the library to exchange books and teaching often goes out the window. lol

I used to have a whiteboard that I would teach from but I got in trouble because one of the Principals didn't like me doing that and said the teachers had to teach. Well the teachers never taught even when I gave them textbooks of library worksheets they could use.

I would just do basic things like 'beat the clock' (not hangman) where children would spell a word. Then after they got their books, have them help put away or tell a story, do a song or a quiz. I would have challenges and competitions, and they could win prizes.

The most fun would be when you let the children read cos a lot of them wanted to read a story to the class, or the older students would want to read with the younger ones, or do a puppet show. Although getting children to stay on task was sometimes a problem. lol some teachers would be like drill sargeants, but I think boys in particular liked that kind of structure and routine of knowing what came next. Other teachers were like anything goes or would just be doing their own work on their laptops and leaving everything with me.

I liked it best when teachers and I would work together in a class to enjoy library time.
 
Have you never thought of career in teaching ?
You sound like you enjoy the children and have the patience with them to excel in a teaching career Lanolin.
My brother was a teacher but he got fed up when children wasnā€™t interested in the topic he taught. I think he would have made a better uni teacher than a secondary one because as a paying adult you appreciate the lessons better.
 
in the states i can only speak of what i know local . the teachers at times spends their own money for class room supplies. there salary is not that great. for instance a superintendent will make a hundred thousand dollars per year. even though a teacher with say a doctoral degree probably does not make half that.

my son works at our local school a janitor he is pretty good friends with the teachers . many times their hands are tied. during the school year he had some boys or boy who liked to pee in the floor. he spoke a super or principal not sure. the remarks was. i dont know what we can do... when i was in school you disrupted class . the teacher applied the Board of education to our backside. trust me i was lite up several times.


4th grade i screamed at a teacher for no reason. she dragged me to the class room.. i had was crying out to Jesus for mercy.

in the big city schools i can only imagine
 
Lanolin said:
I think instead of school holidays what could happen is just have a 4 day week, so that every teacher gets three days for the weekend and can use one day for no-contact time to prepare their lessons.
That one day will also be for students and children to spend time learning at home or just relaxing or helping their family.

I could post this in my brilliant ideas thread. But I dunno, if I post it there, someone will surely come along to shoot it down.
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the Big issue in the united states your stave government has got there hands in the school and expects the teachers to teach the wat they want it...

what it is like in your country i have no idea.. if a person gets a education degree in teaching.. give them the allowance they need to teach. the state cant even take care of the state
 
Lanolin said:
My Principal said we didn't have to ever worry about paying the bills. As the school was owned by an international firm. (with pots of money). Well that's a relief. Also our teachers aren't worried about paying theirs. They just charge the parents more money. But in state schools you can't charge the parents fees. Because it's free. The rationale is teachers are training the next workforce and the govt invests money in education so that they can eventually work in the country. But with private schools as soon as they get their degree they leave the country working somewhere that has more jobs.
So what do you think, we just make schools user or parents pays and nobody gets a free education? What happens to the children poor people who can't afford an education then? Become child slaves? Drug runners? Prostitutes? Win lotto?
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forgiven61 said:
in the states i can only speak of what i know local . the teachers at times spends their own money for class room supplies. there salary is not that great. for instance a superintendent will make a hundred thousand dollars per year. even though a teacher with say a doctoral degree probably does not make half that. my son works at our local school a janitor he is pretty good friends with the teachers . many times their hands are tied. during the school year he had some boys or boy who liked to pee in the floor. he spoke a super or principal not sure. the remarks was. i dont know what we can do... when i was in school you disrupted class . the teacher applied the Board of education to our backside. trust me i was lite up several times. 4th grade i screamed at a teacher for no reason. she dragged me to the class room.. i had was crying out to Jesus for mercy. in the big city schools i can only imagine
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Hello Lanolin and forgiven;

Speaking for our country, free education is the law but more parents are opting for private or homeschool because of the increasing lack of "passion and care" in public school teaching students.

If one remembers To Sir With Love, the teacher had an engineering degree but could not find a job so he humbled himself and took a job teaching in a rough London East End school to students who were expelled by other respected schools for their rebellious behavior. The teacher had a calm spirit and wanted to help the students succeed.

If one remembers another movie, Blackboard Jungle, the teacher takes on a rough New York City boy's public school filled with uncontrolled behavior. Despite the violence, the teacher was a military veteran and could discern these boys came from broken homes and needed to be built up as young men. He would not give up.

The theme of both movies were the troubling buildup and downfall in our society of public schools during the 50s and 60s. Most of the student's foundation in the home were not solid.

Unfortunately this has increased in our school system today causing teachers to become discouraged losing their "passion and care" for teaching, and instead, "pay me the money." In America the average salary for elementary teachers varies. In the Bay Area alone the salary ranges from $50k to $110.
 
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