The judgment seat of Christ: Dividing wheat from tares by works.

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Well said. Totally agree. We certainly are commanded to 'police our own' in our own churches, even as our own homes. We are commanded to not keep company, in order not to participate in ungodly behavior. We don't glad-hand and back-slap evil doers in the name of being Christians.


And hear you nail it on the head. While if necessary, we must be discerning about our Christian company the same was with the unbelievers, we do not have the right to deny anyone is a believer or a Christian at all. That is determined solely by confessing faith in Christ or not.

And we have several Scriptures, where anyone confessing Christ is still named and called a Christian and a brother, even if doing evil at some time. So long as the Lord names anyone Christian, then so must we.

All this means is that by name alone, the 'make-believing' Christians also must appear with all Christians at His judgment seat.
It is a paradox for sure.

You are saying that evryone who "says" they are Christians will be included in the Bema Seat judgment for born again believers.

But in Matthew 7:23, Jesus plainly says about those individuals......
"And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you who practice lawlessness!"

It seems to me that God said that those who pretended to be Christians were never Christians in the 1st place!
So then, those who "say" they are born again are either included with all believers or they are never going to be in the presence of those believers at the Bema Seat.

I do not know, however I am leaning toward the idea that Jesus knew them and that they were never saved at all. The name Judas comes to mind. Do "You" think Judas will be standing in line at the Bema Seat for born again believers?
 
Sounds like their old lie..."As man now is, God once was; as God now is, man may be."
Echoing another distant lie...'Ye shall be as God'.
Exactly! Good point!

Genesis 3:5 comes to mind as well......
"For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”
 
This leaves room for heresy.
You mean, what about heresy? Do we have a right to declare someone naming Christ, is not a Christian? And someone confessing faith in Christ, is not a believer? No.

In the Scripture I've given you, anyone naming Christ and confessing faith in Him, is named and called a Christian by the Lord; therefore, so must we. If you disagree with it, then show why, and perhaps you're right.

In the meantime, the same Scripture exhorts us, that even if we must avoid a Christian's company, we must still count them as a Christian brother. That specifically includes evil doing, and makes no exception for doctrinal disputes. There is no 'doctrinal exception' clause, when it comes to acknowledging someone naming Christ, is a Christian.

Mormons claim to be Christians, by what you've said they are to be treated as such.
You need to ask before jumping to conclusions. No one is saying all Christians naming Christ must be treated the same way. That is not the same thing as calling someone naming Christ, a Christian.

The Scripture I give in fact first separates how to treat Christians by behavior, and yet still acknowledge them as Christians. We must and can avoid certain Christians if necessary, which can also include sharp doctrinal division. However, we must still do so without declaring that someone else confessing faith in Christ, is not a Christian and non-believer.

The Lord Himself will make that division at His judgment seat, where all Christians naming His name must appear.




True story, back in college, my boyfriend and I got invited to a movie night by at church by a class mate. Us both bring Christian, agreed, and later it turns out that we had been invited to a Mormon church. This was right when they changed their name to the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints. I had heard of Mormons but didn't know that LDS was. We fellowshiped and prayed with them and we were not to, because they aren't true believers.
And I knew Mormon soldiers that were also friends, and I never forbid praying with them to Christ. And we both knew we firmly disagreed doctrinally.

Afterall, he considered me to be a heretic, but was not forbidden to call me Christian and pray for Jesus Christ's safeguard.


The Bible may not specify in phrase "true believer" but not everyone claiming to be Christian is a Christian.
The Bible does not say 'true' believers, because Scripture does not say anyone naming Christ is not a Christian.

You can label Christians as 'true' Christians, or 'not' Christians, if you insist. But the Lord doesn't. And so, neither do I.
 
Some Mormon beliefs, especially with regard to polygamy and the Celestial Kingdom, sound like their founder should have been a science fiction writer. One wonders how rational human beings can fall for such things, but then again people fall for Scientology.😧
Back a long time ago in a distant universe, (A Library) when I dug into Mormonism, as I said, it seemed like I was reading a comic book!

Still does today!
 
This leaves room for heresy. Mormons claim to be Christians, by what you've said they are to be treated as such. Their doctrine is heretical.

True story, back in college, my boyfriend and I got invited to a movie night by at church by a class mate. Us both bring Christian, agreed, and later it turns out that we had been invited to a Mormon church. This was right when they changed their name to the Church of Jesus Christ and the Latter Day Saints. I had heard of Mormons but didn't know that LDS was. We fellowshiped and prayed with them and we were not to, because they aren't true believers.

The Bible may not specify in phrase "true believer" but not everyone claiming to be Christian is a Christian.

I know to ask more questions, now.

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To be totally clear sister, the Mormon doctrine is NOT heretical.......It is completely Anti-Christ and Mormons "can not be" considered Christians.

Yes.....that is a judgment!

“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.” – Matthew 7:15
For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ.” – 2 Corinthians 11:13

Because the Jesus of Mormonism is false, the faith of Mormons is useless. Faith is only as good as the object in which it is placed. The Jesus of Mormonism should be called something else, like Barana, Joe, Sasquatch, or something. Then there wouldn’t be any problem at all identifying it as something other than biblical Christianity.
 
You mean, what about heresy? Do we have a right to declare someone naming Christ, is not a Christian? And someone confessing faith in Christ, is not a believer? No.

In the Scripture I've given you, anyone naming Christ and confessing faith in Him, is named and called a Christian by the Lord; therefore, so must we. If you disagree with it, then show why, and perhaps you're right.

In the meantime, the same Scripture exhorts us, that even if we must avoid a Christian's company, we must still count them as a Christian brother. That specifically includes evil doing, and makes no exception for doctrinal disputes. There is no 'doctrinal exception' clause, when it comes to acknowledging someone naming Christ, is a Christian.


You need to ask before jumping to conclusions. No one is saying all Christians naming Christ must be treated the same way. That is not the same thing as calling someone naming Christ, a Christian.

The Scripture I give in fact first separates how to treat Christians by behavior, and yet still acknowledge them as Christians. We must and can avoid certain Christians if necessary, which can also include sharp doctrinal division. However, we must still do so without declaring that someone else confessing faith in Christ, is not a Christian and non-believer.

The Lord Himself will make that division at His judgment seat, where all Christians naming His name must appear.





And I knew Mormon soldiers that were also friends, and I never forbid praying with them to Christ. And we both knew we firmly disagreed doctrinally.

Afterall, he considered me to be a heretic, but was not forbidden to call me Christian and pray for Jesus Christ's safeguard.



The Bible does not say 'true' believers, because Scripture does not say anyone naming Christ is not a Christian.

You can label Christians as 'true' Christians, or 'not' Christians, if you insist. But the Lord doesn't. And so, neither do I.
Do we have the right to declare someone naming Christ, is not a Christian you asked???

Yes. Not only do we have the right, it is an obligation to do. Now, No man has the right to judge the heart and motives of another man.

On the other hand, the Bible teaches we can know a man by what he does. We have beat this into the ground now for several pages.

We are told in the Bible "not to cast our pearls to the swine and that we must not give that which is holy to the dogs".... (Matt. 7:60).

Now, according to the Word of God I just posted, How could we know those who are like swine and those who are like dogs without passing judgment?

As Cocoa has posted from Scriptures, we are told in Matthew 7:15-20 that we can know a tree by the fruit it bears. How can we do this without passing judgment?

Of course, I am assuming that we all believe the Bible as I write the answer to this question.

The Bible says we must be born again to be saved in John 3:1-7. There are only TWO kinds of people....Lost and Saved!

If a person is not born again, then is he saved or lost? If the Bible is true, then we all know he is lost. Who said so? Jesus Christ said so. Does one have to believe that Christ is the Son of God to be saved? John 8:21-24 says that one must believe Christ to be the Son of God in order to be saved. Who said this? Christ himself said this.
Then we may conclude that if one dies having rejected the Christ, then that person is lost.

I agree 100% in that there can be no doubt but that Christ will pronounce the final verdict on all men (Acts 17:30-31).
He is the one that will send the disobedient and unbelieving to eternal darkness (Matt. 25:46). But just because Christ does this does not mean that we cannot know if one is lost according to the Bible by what we observe from the actions/fruit of any person.
 
It is a paradox for sure.

You are saying that evryone who "says" they are Christians will be included in the Bema Seat judgment for born again believers.

I'm saying that the Scriptures say anyone confessing faith in Christ, is a Christian.

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

By this Scripture, I say all people naming Christ are called Christians by the Lord. So far, no one has offered a different reading.

Nor has anyone shown any Scripture where the Lord says, that some people confessing faith in Him are not Christians, and are non-believers.

So, I'll continue to argue from the basis, that any and everyone confessing faith in Christ, is a Christian, and the Lord says so.

However, just because everyone naming Christ is a Christian, doesn't mean that all Christians are born again believers.

Unless you can show Scripture calling a confessing believer, not a Christian, then do you want to say only born-again Christians will appear at His seat, and not the 'unborn' again Christians?

Do you have Scripture excluding any Christian from the judgment seat? Or, any Scripture showing where some Christians are judged apart from others, and not all Christians at the judgment seat?
 
Because the Jesus of Mormonism is false, the faith of Mormons is useless. Faith is only as good as the object in which it is placed. The Jesus of Mormonism should be called something else, like Barana, Joe, Sasquatch, or something. Then there wouldn’t be any problem at all identifying it as something other than biblical Christianity.
To be accurate by Smith's own words, Moroni would be the proper name and author for Mormonism.

In any case, sometimes the devil comes right out in the open and declares himself:

The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

This is the title of the Smith's book, and so leaves no doubt about who did not write it: Jesus Christ, nor any apostle of His.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
 
And I knew Mormon soldiers that were also friends, and I never forbid praying with them to Christ. And we both knew we firmly disagreed doctrinally.

Afterall, he considered me to be a heretic, but was not forbidden to call me Christian and pray for Jesus Christ's safeguard.
This is dangerous. And further proof that Satan mascarades as an angel of light. People are fooled by Mormons because they're so nice and patient but the unfortunate reality is that they are not Christians.

They believe that the god of the old testament is a different god from the god of the new testament. Our doctrine states that God is unchanging.

They also believe thay Jesus and satan are brothers. And when a Mormon believer dies, they become a god or goddess. They can claim "christ" all they want, but their christ is false, the teaching is Satanic.
Pray for them, not with them because their god isn't your God.
 
To be accurate by Smith's own words, Moroni would be the proper name and author for Mormonism.

In any case, sometimes the devil comes right out in the open and declares himself:

The Book of Mormon, Another Testament of Jesus Christ.

This is the title of the Smith's book, and so leaves no doubt about who did not write it: Jesus Christ, nor any apostle of His.

Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
That is true.

Actually, Moroni was/is an angel in Mormon theology. He is the angel that supposedly appeared to Joseph Smith on several occasions, beginning in 1823 and giving him the golden plates that no one ever saw.

According to LDS theology, Moroni started out as a human being......go figure!

He was the son of the prophet Mormon (for whom the Book of Mormon is named). Mormon began writing his message on golden tablets, and after his death his son Moroni finished the work and buried the tablets in what would become western New York.

After Moroni’s death, he became an angel and eventually appeared to Mr. Smith telling him the location of the tablets and giving him the ability to translate them. Smith published his alleged translation as the Book of Mormon.
 
I'm saying that the Scriptures say anyone confessing faith in Christ, is a Christian.

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

By this Scripture, I say all people naming Christ are called Christians by the Lord. So far, no one has offered a different reading.

Nor has anyone shown any Scripture where the Lord says, that some people confessing faith in Him are not Christians, and are non-believers.

So, I'll continue to argue from the basis, that any and everyone confessing faith in Christ, is a Christian, and the Lord says so.

However, just because everyone naming Christ is a Christian, doesn't mean that all Christians are born again believers.

Unless you can show Scripture calling a confessing believer, not a Christian, then do you want to say only born-again Christians will appear at His seat, and not the 'unborn' again Christians?

Do you have Scripture excluding any Christian from the judgment seat? Or, any Scripture showing where some Christians are judged apart from others, and not all Christians at the judgment seat?
I am not talking about who the Scriptures say are believers. That is without any question and I do not even know why it would be said.
Personally, I am referring to the make believers that Jesus identified in Matthew 7. "Depart from me I never knew you" is pretty clear to me.

Those individuals are not called Christians by the Scriptures my friend. They Claimed to be but God said NO you are not.

And I am saying that those "who claim to be a Christian" but live like the devil were never Christians to begin with.

Jehovah Witnesses claim to be Christians but they deny the divinity of Jesus.
Mormons claim to be Christians but they believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers.

You are free to argue all you want to, but all who SAY they are Christians are not Christians and those individuals will not be at the Bema Seat as it is only for truly born again believers.

From a speech by Adolf Hitler in 1935....
“The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession.”
Source: Twisted Cross: The German Christian Movement in the Third Reich (Chapel Hill, N.C.: University of North Carolina Press, 1996).

Do you think Hitler will be at the Bema seat of Christ as a Christian? Borman, Henrich?

What about Judas?
 
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This is dangerous. And further proof that Satan mascarades as an angel of light. People are fooled by Mormons because they're so nice and patient but the unfortunate reality is that they are not Christians.

They believe that the god of the old testament is a different god from the god of the new testament. Our doctrine states that God is unchanging.

They also believe thay Jesus and satan are brothers. And when a Mormon believer dies, they become a god or goddess. They can claim "christ" all they want, but their christ is false, the teaching is Satanic.
Pray for them, not with them because their god isn't your God.
You are correct.

You may very well be side by side with a Mormon believer praying.
You may be praying to the Lord Jesus......... but that Mormon believer IS NOT!
 
This is dangerous. And further proof that Satan mascarades as an angel of light. People are fooled by Mormons because they're so nice and patient but the unfortunate reality is that they are not Christians.
mormons are not the only one J.W your apostolic one ness movement is not far from it.. then the catholic teaching they are antichrist there are many more to name
 
Do we have the right to declare someone naming Christ, is not a Christian you asked???

Yes. Not only do we have the right, it is an obligation to do. Now, No man has the right to judge the heart and motives of another man.

On the other hand, the Bible teaches we can know a man by what he does. We have beat this into the ground now for several pages.

We are told in the Bible "not to cast our pearls to the swine and that we must not give that which is holy to the dogs".... (Matt. 7:60). Now, according to the Word of God I just posted, How could we know those who are like swine and those who are like dogs without passing judgment?
Whew. For a second there, I thought you were referring to me as a swine-hoot dog for disagreeing with you. But, I see your point. ;)

First off, I agree that the Scripture applies to believers and unbelievers alike. To us naming His name, and to those not naming His name.

And, I think we can not narrow our conundrum to something specific: You are conflating two different things, and applying them both to the judgment seat of Christ.

The first is only about having the name Christian, and the second is only about being worthy of Christian fellowship.

Act 11:26 And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.


The Scripture says nothing about Christians being worthy of the name of not, but only about how they were named Christians, who named Christ.

1Pe 4:15But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

The scripture says nothing about someone unworthy of the name Christian, as not being named a Christian by Christ.

In Scripture, everyone naming Christ is called a Christian. Being worthy of the name and fellowship of Christ, has nothing to do with Scripture still calling us Christians.

We have the right and duty to forbid Christian fellowship to anyone, that we judge unworthy of being a Christian.

However, so long as anyone is confessing faith in Christ, we have no right by Scripture, to forbid them being called a Christian. Scripture still calls them Christians, even if doing evil. We don't necessarily have to call anyone shaming the name of Christ, a Christian, but we can't call them non-Christians, because the Lord Himself doesn't.

You're doctrinal justification to say some people naming Christ, are not Christians, does not forbid the Lord from having them appear at His judgment seat, along with all Christians naming His name.

Tit 1:13 Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;

We can frankly say a Christian and brother, is not being a Christian nor a brother, and is not worthy of the name, but we still can't declare anyone still confessing His name, that he is not a Christian and is a non-believer.

And even if someone does so, the Lord will just go ahead and keep His word, and have them appear at His seat with all Christians confessing Him Christ. (And then He can have a talk about who has the right, to say who He can call a Christian or not.)



Now, according to the Word of God I just posted, How could we know those who are like swine and those who are like dogs without passing judgment?
No one says we can't. They are Christians we judge unworthy of our fellowship. And if they are Christians confessing Christ, then they too will appear at His judgment seat:

2Co 5:9 For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

We all
must appear, is we all that name Christ, whether departing from evil or not.

2Ti 2:19Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

The sure foundation of Christ is His judgment seat, where we all must stand who name His name


But just because Christ does this does not mean that we cannot know if one is lost according to the Bible by what we observe from the actions/fruit of any person.
True again. Which is what we are duty-bound to judge on earth with anyone naming Christ.

That does not make anyone a non-Christian not naming Christ, that Christ does not have appear at His seat to judge once for all.
 
Ever hear of tares and wheat?
Yes, that's why the thread is about the wheat and tares being separated at the judgment seat of Christ. All Christians naming His name will appear, but only Christians loving His name in deed and in truth will be accepted by Him.

1Jo 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

2Co 5:9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.


As discussed, Mormons confess faith in Christ..
Many confess Christ out of tradition or deception. (Mt 7:21-23)
And some do so for political, social, and financial gain. Some even declare His name only to avoid the GWT, by appearing at His seat instead.

All Christians naming His name will indeed appear at His seat, but not will be accepted of him. The tares will be rejected and sent to their own place at the GWT.

No one escapes the righteous judgment of God by works. Not by naming His name, nor by appearing at His judgment seat.

Rom 2:3And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
 
By that definition Muslims are Christians because their eschatology teaches that their Mahdi (Messiah) Jesus is going to return and cleanse the world of all unbelievers and ungodliness.
By 'theological' definition perhaps, but not by confession. (Not that the theology is correct either.)

The Jews that rejected Jesus believed and still do, that he was a great Jewish teacher at one time. But they had Him crucified as a blasphemer, for calling Himself the Son of God. Are they Christians? No.

Muhammad believed in Jesus. Was he a Christian?
The same as with the unbelieving Jews. Muhammed plays lips service to Jesus as a great prophet, but did he ever confess faith in Christ as Lord and Savior? Do any of his Muslim followers? No, course not. They'd be persecuted as Muslim traitors turned Christian, if any Islamist began confessing faith in Jesus Christ, rather than Allah alone.

Acknowledging Jesus as a great teacher and prophet, but not the Son and Christ of God, doesn't make anyone a Christian anymore than those who freely curse by His name.

Is there anyone among the Muslims, that confesses faith in Christ, that is not called a Christian, but a non-Christian? No. Then why do some Christians do that? Especially since the Lord in Scripture names anyone confessing faith in Him, a Christian.
 

Ephesians 4:14 Context​


11And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers; 12For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: 13Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: 14That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive; 15But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ: 16From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love. 17This I say therefore, and testify in the Lord, that ye henceforth walk not as other Gentiles walk, in the vanity of their mind,
 
I am not talking about who the Scriptures say are believers. That is without any question
Then who does the Scriptures say are Christians? They were first called Christians in Antioch. Why?

Those doing evil in 1 Peter 4 are also called Christians, along with those suffering for His name' sake. Why?

Because they all confess faith in Christ, not because they all lived up to His name.


Personally, I am referring to the make believers that Jesus identified in Matthew 7. "Depart from me I never knew you" is pretty clear to me.

Those individuals are not called Christians by the Scriptures my friend.
So, now you can prove it by correcting my reading of 1 Peter 4:15? If so, I'll be glad to change it.

1Pe 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.

1Pe 4:15 But let none of you suffer as a murderer, or as a thief, or as an evildoer, or as a busybody in other men's matters. Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

Here we see Peter speaking of Christians. He speaks of Christians that suffer for the name of Christ, and Christians that suffer for doing evil doing. Scripture calls them both Christians.

Do you have another way to read it, so that Scripture is not calling the Christians that do evil, Christians? So that they are not Christians at all?
They Claimed to be but God said NO you are not.
They claimed to be Christians? And God said, No you are not Christians? Where is that? I don't read that anywhere in Scripture.

"Depart from me I never knew you" is pretty clear to me too. He says He never knew them, that called Him Lord. He did not say, No, you are not Christians.


And I am saying that those "who claim to be a Christian" but live like the devil were never Christians to begin with.
I am saying that those who confess faith in Christ are called Christians by Scripture, even if they live like the devil. And not only that, but we are supposed to still count them as a brother, not a non-believer:

2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.

Are you now saying that we are supposed to count someone as a brother, who is not a Christian nor believer at all?

Think about it for a second brother. I know your doctrine, and your sincere zeal for it. But what you are saying, is that some people confessing faith in Christ, are not Christians. They are non-believers. I know you are doctrinally doing so, but do you practice what you teach? If it's Scripture, then we must practice the teaching. We must judge works among Christians for the sake of Christian fellowship. Are you now saying in the context of 2 Thess 3:14, that in addition to not keeping company, now we cannot count them as a brother and a Christian?

Once again, no one is saying we can't judge our works as Christians, but we do not have any Scriptural, doctrinal, and especially not practical right to tell anyone confessing His name, No, you are not a Christian. God never said that in Scripture...

Brothers and sisters, we must consider the doctrine we believe, and especially we teach. We are bound to practice it, and if the doctrine is wrong, then the practice is bad for the name of Christ.

So long as anyone is still confessing faith in Jesus Christ, no matter how devilish they may be living on earth, Jesus Christ still calls them a Christian, and He still counts them as a brother, and most importantly He can still redeem them from their wickedness for His name's sake. He cannot do that for non-believers and non-Christians who don't so much as confess His name. By teaching anyone confessing the name of Jesus Christ, can be called a non-Chrsitian, we are by doctrine and practice, telling them that cannot be saved and redeemed by Christ. We are telling them that they are as without hope in the world, as those who refuse to confess His name.

Eph 2:12That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.

Does anyone disagree with this? To say that those swine living dogs, still confessing faith in Christ, are not Christians at all, and non-believers, is not only contrary to Scripture, but certainly does not at all help to recover them from the snare of the devil.

Jas 5:19 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him; Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.

Thank God the righteous elder brother was not there in the far country, to tell the prodigal that he was a family non-member nor believer, even if he still confessed his father's name.

Making 'doctrinal' judgments about anyone confessing Christ, as being a Christian or not, is exactly what the 'friends' of Job did, when they came to help him in his despair, and instead by doctrine, began calling him a devil with no hope from God.


Jehovah Witnesses claim to be Christians but they deny the divinity of Jesus.
Mormons claim to be Christians but they believe that Jesus and Satan are brothers.
And when have I ever talked about claiming to be a Christian? I always speak of anyone confessing faith in Christ, and naming Christ as Lord and Savior.

Once again, at least Scripture says, if not some Christians, that being called a Christian is by confessing faith in His name. Saying that someone confessing faith in Christ is not a Christian nor a believer, not matter how much swine husks they are eating, is not the same thing as not fellowshipping with them in the swine pig pen.



Do you think Hitler will be at the Bema seat of Christ as a Christian? Borman, Henrich?
Did he confess faith in Jesus Christ? Call Him Lord?


What about Judas?
Now, this is a good question. He certainly was a believing chosen apostle, but will he appear at the judgment seat of Christ? At first glance, I'd say no, because he's in hell with the rich man, and not in the presence of the Lord with the faithful dead in Christ. But, I'll have to look at it. Thanks.
 
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