The Millennium: (9) Life in the Millennium

[Marilyn C]

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease. No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

`They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit....` (Isa. 65: 21)

People will have to learn to work together to rebuild houses and dwelling places. Then over time some of the cities will be repaired by the generations that follow.

`And they shall rebuild the old ruins, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the ruined cities, the desolations of many generations.` (Isa. 61: 4)

`They shall build houses and inhabit them; ...` (Isa. 65: 21)

Many people will come to Israel and work for them, as they realise the blessing of the Lord is upon the nation of Israel.

`Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner shall be your ploughmen and your vine-dressers.` (Isa. 61: 5)

Over time people will live longer as there will be no wars, and life is centred round outdoor healthy living. People will learn of the ways of the Lord from the priests, and thus there will not be so much anxiety and stress.

`No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, .....for as the days of a tree so shall be the days of my people, and my elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth children for trouble; for they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.` (Isa. 66: 22 & 23)

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Prim90]

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease. No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

`They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit....` (Isa. 65: 21)

People will have to learn to work together to rebuild houses and dwelling places. Then over time some of the cities will be repaired by the generations that follow.

`And they shall rebuild the old ruins, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the ruined cities, the desolations of many generations.` (Isa. 61: 4)

`They shall build houses and inhabit them; ...` (Isa. 65: 21)

Many people will come to Israel and work for them, as they realise the blessing of the Lord is upon the nation of Israel.

`Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner shall be your ploughmen and your vine-dressers.` (Isa. 61: 5)

Over time people will live longer as there will be no wars, and life is centred round outdoor healthy living. People will learn of the ways of the Lord from the priests, and thus there will not be so much anxiety and stress.

`No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, .....for as the days of a tree so shall be the days of my people, and my elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth children for trouble; for they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.` (Isa. 66: 22 & 23)

. Marilyn interesting perspective. And may I ask what shall the church be doing in this period of time ? Seems all I read about here is the crowning glory God being all about a remanent of physical Jewry ruling from Jerusalem over the entire world. Seems that the church has entirely evaporated completely from any participation within Gods plans for planet earth and perhaps that might include the future new heaven and new earth too. It be what some claim and some demand

 

[Marilyn C]

. Marilyn interesting perspective. And may I ask what shall the church be doing in this period of time ? Seems all I read about here is the crowning glory God being all about a remanent of physical Jewry ruling from Jerusalem over the entire world. Seems that the church has entirely evaporated completely from any participation within Gods plans for planet earth and perhaps that might include the future new heaven and new earth too. It be what some claim and some demand

Hi Prim,

Good question. The Body of Christ will be ruling and reigning with Christ on His own throne in the third heaven.

`To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on my throne...` (Rev. 3: 21)

Remember that the Father gave His Son the highest ruling position in heaven and over the earth.

God, (Father) `seated Him (Christ) at His right hand in the heavenly places, FAR ABOVE all principality and power and might and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but in that which is to come. And He put all things under His feet,...` (Eph. 1: 20 - 22)

We will be judging the world system and fallen angels during the trib. and learning of the Lord`s rulership over Israel throughout the millennium.

`Do you not know that the saints will judge the world (system).` (1 Cor. 6: 2)

`Do you not know that we shall judge angels?` (1 Cor. 6: 3)

And in the New Heavens and New earth we will be working with the Lord as He unfolds more creations to come in the ages upon ages.

Have you ever see a picture (man made) of the Universe? Our solar system is a very small part of the Milky Way and it takes about a thousand years for it to go from one corner to the other. Then the Milky Way is but a spec in the whole universe which is beyond imagining.

God is creator and His creations will go on for eternity. Each realm will have rulership under Christ.

 

[bobinfaith]

Marilyn interesting perspective. And may I ask what shall the church be doing in this period of time ? Seems all I read about here is the crowning glory God being all about a remanent of physical Jewry ruling from Jerusalem over the entire world. Seems that the church has entirely evaporated completely from any participation within Gods plans for planet earth and perhaps that might include the future new heaven and new earth too. It be what some claim and some demand

Good morning, Prim90;

Where've you been, sister? It's pretty quiet here and then along came Prim90. lol!

My post is to encourage all of us to stop and ponder prior to Life in the Millenium.

Doing nothing is what we shouldn't be doing. To be truthful, there are Churches disconnected from God's plans. Disobedient Churches do exist and are evaporating from any participation of God's plans.

Instead of waiting for the crowning glory of God we all should be preparing for Christ's return even before and during the Millenium. Marilyn shares a good teaching and God will empower us to study, grasp and gain knowledge and wisdom of His Word and warning.

What some claim and demand is something we should be careful with. Instead, we need to ask not to one another, but to ourselves; are each of us remaining obedient and walking with Jesus? It’s something we all should ask each day. Are we praying, reading the Bible, listening to God? These are our anchors.

There are still opportunities to reach out to our communities, and our home behind closed doors. Truth be told there are many in the community who have deep inner needs. And that need is Jesus.

These are but a few of the anchors in which you can connect with God, prepare and participate. And what you may already have, hang on to them, because as we start exercising these fundamental forms of discipleship, God's glory at that time will be revealed. It's already prophetic.

Your Church family, leadership, praise team, Sunday school should strive for obedience to God and His Church. These are examples of your anchors.

God bless you, Prim90, and Merry Christmas.

Bob

 

[Major]

LIFE IN THE MILLENNIUM

The plagues through the tribulation and the great earthquake that caused the cities of the nations to fall, will cause such great devastation upon the earth that civilization as we know it will cease. No technology, no fuel, no food production, no medical facilities, no businesses of any kind, all will have crumbled, obliterated. There will be only few people upon the earth after the plagues, mass killings and persecutions.

Life in the millennium will have to start from the basics - agriculture and working together in family groups. There will be no more wars, so the weapons will be made into farm implements.

` They shall beat their swords into ploughshares, and their spears into pruning hooks; nations shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war anymore.` (Micah 4: 3)

`They shall plant vineyards and eat their fruit....` (Isa. 65: 21)

People will have to learn to work together to rebuild houses and dwelling places. Then over time some of the cities will be repaired by the generations that follow.

`And they shall rebuild the old ruins, they shall raise up the former desolations, and they shall repair the ruined cities, the desolations of many generations.` (Isa. 61: 4)

`They shall build houses and inhabit them; ...` (Isa. 65: 21)

Many people will come to Israel and work for them, as they realise the blessing of the Lord is upon the nation of Israel.

`Strangers shall stand and feed your flocks, and the sons of the foreigner shall be your ploughmen and your vine-dressers.` (Isa. 61: 5)

Over time people will live longer as there will be no wars, and life is centred round outdoor healthy living. People will learn of the ways of the Lord from the priests, and thus there will not be so much anxiety and stress.

`No more shall an infant from there live but a few days, nor an old man who has not fulfilled his days; for the child shall die one hundred years old, .....for as the days of a tree so shall be the days of my people, and my elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.

They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth children for trouble; for they shall be the descendants of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.` (Isa. 66: 22 & 23
ooops.

 

[Major]

. Marilyn interesting perspective. And may I ask what shall the church be doing in this period of time ? Seems all I read about here is the crowning glory God being all about a remanent of physical Jewry ruling from Jerusalem over the entire world. Seems that the church has entirely evaporated completely from any participation within Gods plans for planet earth and perhaps that might include the future new heaven and new earth too. It be what some claim and some demand

Merry Christmas Prim.

Marilyn is very correct in that there by then will be massive destruction on a scale never seen before.

If I may, I would say to you that the millennial kingdom is the future reign of Jesus Christ on earth as He sits on David’s throne in Jerusalem. Everyone who enters that kingdom will be redeemed by God and therefore righteous = Isaiah 35:8-10 and Zachriah 4.

Among those redeemed will be two distinct groups of people:.......
1) those with glorified physical bodies and
2) those with natural, earthly bodies.

Those who occupy the millennial kingdom with glorified bodies can be divided into three subgroups:
1). the church, whose bodies were either resurrected or changed at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18; 1 Corth. 15:21-23 - 51-53.
2). tribulation martyrs, who are resurrected after Christ returns to earth (Rev. 20:4-6) and
3). the Old Testament saints, who we assume are resurrected at the same time (Daniel 12:2).

Those who occupy the kingdom with earthly bodies have survived the tribulation and can be subdivided into two groups: ......
1) believing Gentiles and
3) believing Jews.

Part of Jesus’ setting up the kingdom will be His judgment of the sheep and the goats as seen in Matt. 25:31-46.

The “sheep” are the righteous Gentiles, who showed their faith by their good works toward God’s people.
The “goats” are the unrighteous Gentiles, who failed to aid God’s children.

Christ will cast the unrighteous into the lake of fire for eternal punishment as recorded in Matt. 25:46.
Because of this judgment, and because all Israel will believe at that time according to Zech. 12:10 and Romans 11:25-32, no unbeliever will enter the millennial kingdom.

So, those who occupy the millennial kingdom, at the start, will be .......
1) The righteous of all previous dispensations:
2) Believing Gentiles in earthly bodies,
3) Redeemed Israel in earthly bodies, and
4) Resurrected/raptured believers in glorified bodies.

Those who occupy the millennial kingdom will be from “many nations,” but the knowledge of the Lord Jesus will be universal:

Habakkuk 2:14......
“The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea”.

It will be standard practice for those who occupy the millennial kingdom to travel to Jerusalem and worship the Lord in person:

Michah 4:2.....
“Many nations will come and say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.’ The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem”.

During the millennial kingdom, the saints in earthly, natural bodies will enjoy long lives (Isaiah 65:20), and they will produce children. By the end of the thousand years, the world is fully populated, and there are many—“in number they are like the sand on the seashore”—who rebel against the Lord as seen in Rev. 20:7-8.

Those Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility to exercise faith in Christ, the same as all people of past ages. However, many of those born during the millennial kingdom will choose to not believe.

That is why Scripture speaks of those who die under a curse in Isaiah 65:20 and why the Lord lays out consequences for nations that do not worship Him: ........

Zech. 14:17......
“If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain”.

 

[Prim90]

Good morning, Prim90;

Where've you been, sister? It's pretty quiet here and then along came Prim90. lol!

My post is to encourage all of us to stop and ponder prior to Life in the Millenium.

Doing nothing is what we shouldn't be doing. To be truthful, there are Churches disconnected from God's plans. Disobedient Churches do exist and are evaporating from any participation of God's plans.

Instead of waiting for the crowning glory of God we all should be preparing for Christ's return even before and during the Millenium. Marilyn shares a good teaching and God will empower us to study, grasp and gain knowledge and wisdom of His Word and warning.

What some claim and demand is something we should be careful with. Instead, we need to ask not to one another, but to ourselves; are each of us remaining obedient and walking with Jesus? It’s something we all should ask each day. Are we praying, reading the Bible, listening to God? These are our anchors.

There are still opportunities to reach out to our communities, and our home behind closed doors. Truth be told there are many in the community who have deep inner needs. And that need is Jesus.

These are but a few of the anchors in which you can connect with God, prepare and participate. And what you may already have, hang on to them, because as we start exercising these fundamental forms of discipleship, God's glory at that time will be revealed. It's already prophetic.

Your Church family, leadership, praise team, Sunday school should strive for obedience to God and His Church. These are examples of your anchors.

God bless you, Prim90, and Merry Christmas.

Bob

Bob you know me well enough just me being me I guess I be curious by nature I like to unzip and feel out the many interpretations and equations as with Majors and Marilyn’s many posts on the subject. I guess when it comes to the book of Revelation it be where the worlds of literalism, symbolism and typography collide for many. When it comes to the millennial kingdom of a thousand years. Is it talking about a literal thousand years or is it more figurative expressing a long period of time as in the book of Psalms where our Heavenly Father states that ( he owns all the cattle upon a thousand hills ) which one could take to mean all the cattle upon every hill in the world. I simply continue to read and evaluate the many interpretations on the subject. Bob me do wish you , Major and Marilyn the happiness lthat this time of the year does afford you all in whatever way you all choose to enjoy . God bless Prim

 

[Major]

Bob you know me well enough just me being me I guess I be curious by nature I like to unzip and feel out the many interpretations and equations as with Majors and Marilyn’s many posts on the subject. I guess when it comes to the book of Revelation it be where the worlds of literalism, symbolism and typography collide for many. When it comes to the millennial kingdom of a thousand years. Is it talking about a literal thousand years or is it more figurative expressing a long period of time as in the book of Psalms where our Heavenly Father states that ( he owns all the cattle upon a thousand hills ) which one could take to mean all the cattle upon every hill in the world. I simply continue to read and evaluate the many interpretations on the subject. Bob me do wish you , Major and Marilyn the happiness lthat this time of the year does afford you all in whatever way you all choose to enjoy . God bless Prim

You asked...........
"Is it talking about a literal thousand years or is it more figurative expressing a long period of time "

Prim, may I say to you that ONE Thousand Years means ONE Thousand Years. There is no need for anyone to try and change that definitive number into an infinitive number.

Then just to confirm that, the Greek word "χίλιοι" (chilioi) is used in the New Testament to denote the number one thousand including each reference to the Millenium in the Revelation.

Now, if I go to my great professor, Dr. J Vernon Magee, he will say..............
"The word millennium comes from two Latin words: mille, meaning “one thousand” and annus, meaning “years.”

A millennium is one thousand years. In the Greek, the word used is chilia. You’ll hear that term used by some theologians, and they are always coming up with words so that most people don’t know what they’re talking about! When theologians talk about chiliaism and millennialism, they are talking about the same event. Both words mean a thousand years, and they have to do with the thousand-year reign of Christ here upon this earth which is mentioned in chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation. That chapter is the only place that gives the duration of the Kingdom, and the phrase “thousand years” occurs there six times. However, the theme of the thousand-year Kingdom which is coming on the earth is a great subject of Scripture."

 

[bobinfaith]

Marilyn interesting perspective. And may I ask what shall the church be doing in this period of time ? Seems all I read about here is the crowning glory God being all about a remanent of physical Jewry ruling from Jerusalem over the entire world. Seems that the church has entirely evaporated completely from any participation within Gods plans for planet earth and perhaps that might include the future new heaven and new earth too. It be what some claim and some demand

Bob you know me well enough just me being me I guess I be curious by nature I like to unzip and feel out the many interpretations and equations as with Majors and Marilyn’s many posts on the subject. I guess when it comes to the book of Revelation it be where the worlds of literalism, symbolism and typography collide for many. When it comes to the millennial kingdom of a thousand years. Is it talking about a literal thousand years or is it more figurative expressing a long period of time as in the book of Psalms where our Heavenly Father states that ( he owns all the cattle upon a thousand hills ) which one could take to mean all the cattle upon every hill in the world. I simply continue to read and evaluate the many interpretations on the subject. Bob me do wish you , Major and Marilyn the happiness lthat this time of the year does afford you all in whatever way you all choose to enjoy . God bless Prim

Good morning, Prim90;

What a wonderful post. I couldn't agree with you if you didn't spend the time to jump in these discussions. Because you do we're able to know and learn more from member to member.

We could quote Scriptures all day and leave it at that. To me it's about digging into the application that always remain challenging. You bring about views that give us much to think about.

Whether Jesus is coming back to reign for a Millennium (I believe) but this is why we continue to study and dissect.

God bless you, Prim90, and Merry Christmas.

Bob

 

[Prim90]

You asked...........
"Is it talking about a literal thousand years or is it more figurative expressing a long period of time "

Prim, may I say to you that ONE Thousand Years means ONE Thousand Years. There is no need for anyone to try and change that definitive number into an infinitive number.

Then just to confirm that, the Greek word "χίλιοι" (chilioi) is used in the New Testament to denote the number one thousand including each reference to the Millenium in the Revelation.

Now, if I go to my great professor, Dr. J Vernon Magee, he will say..............
"The word millennium comes from two Latin words: mille, meaning “one thousand” and annus, meaning “years.”

A millennium is one thousand years. In the Greek, the word used is chilia. You’ll hear that term used by some theologians, and they are always coming up with words so that most people don’t know what they’re talking about! When theologians talk about chiliaism and millennialism, they are talking about the same event. Both words mean a thousand years, and they have to do with the thousand-year reign of Christ here upon this earth which is mentioned in chapter 20 of the Book of Revelation. That chapter is the only place that gives the duration of the Kingdom, and the phrase “thousand years” occurs there six times. However, the theme of the thousand-year Kingdom which is coming on the earth is a great subject of Scripture."

Major no one contests the meaning of the word as mentioned by Dr J Vernon Magee we just contest how it is interpreted in scripture. Does it mean a literal thousand years I think I gave this example with Psalms 50:10 in post 8 I will add here again. God is not saying there is exactly only a thousand hills where his sheep and cattle dwell but more so he is expressing that all hills and cattle in the world belong to him. You find in many other passages also such as Deuteronomy 7: 9 here Moses writes that he is not merely limiting Gods to thousand generations but that his mercy is unlimited. . Major I will also add Revelations 20: 1-3 Major when the Angel chains Satan to the bottomless pit for a thousand years is this to be taken literally. No for we know that Satan is still very active within our world . But he did lose something. He had lost his dominion over the other nations of the world. Before Christ came there was only Israel where Gods light did shine the rest of the world was shut off and under the authority of Satan. That all ended with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ conquering death and the death cult of Satan and also with the great commission of expanding the gospel of Jesus’Christ into the 4 corners of the world. With Satans declining power And Christ's unstoppable power has led to almost 2000 yrs of evangelism into Satan's strongholds throughout the world . So again we must realise that in this passage of scripture concerning the thousand yrs mentioned is not literal but more figurative and pointing to a period of time much longer than the thousand years mentioned here .

 

[Major]

Major no one contests the meaning of the word as mentioned by Dr J Vernon Magee we just contest how it is interpreted in scripture. Does it mean a literal thousand years I think I gave this example with Psalms 50:10 in post 8 I will add here again. God is not saying there is exactly only a thousand hills where his sheep and cattle dwell but more so he is expressing that all hills and cattle in the world belong to him. You find in many other passages also such as Deuteronomy 7: 9 here Moses writes that he is not merely limiting Gods to thousand generations but that his mercy is unlimited. View attachment 11883. Major I will also add Revelations 20: 1-3 Major when the Angel chains Satan to the bottomless pit for a thousand years is this to be taken literally. No for we know that Satan is still very active within our world . But he did lose something. He had lost his dominion over the other nations of the world. Before Christ came there was only Israel where Gods light did shine the rest of the world was shut off and under the authority of Satan. That all ended with the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ conquering death and the death cult of Satan and also with the great commission of expanding the gospel of Jesus’Christ into the 4 corners of the world. With Satans declining power And Christ's unstoppable power has led to almost 2000 yrs of evangelism into Satan's strongholds throughout the world . View attachment 11884

Prim, again One Thousand means One Thousand. Yes, Satan will be chained for One Thousand Years and then released.

I gave the LITERAL meaning of One Thousand in the Greek and it can not be understood as anything other than what it means.

Now we have to ask our selves this, If God intended to say "An unspecified amount of time" why didn't He do that?

No. He said ONE THOUSAND YEARS!

Now, as for the time we live in today between the Resurrection and Rapture, it is the Day of Grace. Now Prim, there is NO WHERE in the Scriptures that specify a Time Limit on that time.

In prophetic history, it falls between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel as recorded in Daniel 9:24-27 and Romans 11.
Jesus predicted the Church Age in Matt. 16:18 when He said......“I will build my church.”

Jesus has kept His promise, and His Church has now been growing for almost 2,000 years. Again, It may surprise you that there is not a single text in scripture which mentions a church age which will come to an end during the time of the second coming of Christ so that means that we CAN NOT expect ............or should we accept a time limit.

 

[Prim90]

Major I guess it comes down to what era Satan was bound and chained in Revelation 20 and when the short time begins of him being unloosed to deceive the nations into full worship of him again. For us we see this as the ongoing fulfilment of scripture with Satan losing his dominion over the eventual entirety of the world beginning at the commencement of the Lords ministry as the Lord as verify in such passages as Matthew 12: 23-29 with the Lord binding strong man of the house and taking his possessions who is namely Satan with his rule and power being subjugated unto the Lord. And no later than with his death and resurrection or with the great commission.. If this be correct we are dealing with nearly 2000 yrs of history and the very reason why the thousand years mentioned in Revelations 20 is to be taken figuratively meaning a long period of time and just not literally as a literal thousand years for it be way past the mark. Of course you may see it as futuristic

 

[Prim90]

Prim, again One Thousand means One Thousand. Yes, Satan will be chained for One Thousand Years and then released.

I gave the LITERAL meaning of One Thousand in the Greek and it can not be understood as anything other than what it means.

Now we have to ask our selves this, If God intended to say "An unspecified amount of time" why didn't He do that?

No. He said ONE THOUSAND YEARS!

Now, as for the time we live in today between the Resurrection and Rapture, it is the Day of Grace. Now Prim, there is NO WHERE in the Scriptures that specify a Time Limit on that time.

In prophetic history, it falls between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel as recorded in Daniel 9:24-27 and Romans 11.
Jesus predicted the Church Age in Matt. 16:18 when He said......“I will build my church.”

Jesus has kept His promise, and His Church has now been growing for almost 2,000 years. Again, It may surprise you that there is not a single text in scripture which mentions a church age which will come to an end during the time of the second coming of Christ so that means that we CAN NOT expect ............or should we accept a time limit.

Major you write ( if God intended to say an unspecified amount of time why didn’t he do that ? ) Major my reply that he sometimes does but not always . Are not days often interrupted into years when it comes to Bible prophecy. Why did God not say years instead of days ? The reality is that is up to God . He has chosen his word to be read in different ways. Sometimes as poetry sometimes as parables sometimes as symbolism sometimes as types and shadows and sometimes literally and figuratively. To me the me just accept the way the God has choose to present his word.

 

[Prim90]

Prim, again One Thousand means One Thousand. Yes, Satan will be chained for One Thousand Years and then released.

I gave the LITERAL meaning of One Thousand in the Greek and it can not be understood as anything other than what it means.

Now we have to ask our selves this, If God intended to say "An unspecified amount of time" why didn't He do that?

No. He said ONE THOUSAND YEARS!

Now, as for the time we live in today between the Resurrection and Rapture, it is the Day of Grace. Now Prim, there is NO WHERE in the Scriptures that specify a Time Limit on that time.

In prophetic history, it falls between the 69th and 70th weeks of Daniel as recorded in Daniel 9:24-27 and Romans 11.
Jesus predicted the Church Age in Matt. 16:18 when He said......“I will build my church.”

Jesus has kept His promise, and His Church has now been growing for almost 2,000 years. Again, It may surprise you that there is not a single text in scripture which mentions a church age which will come to an end during the time of the second coming of Christ so that means that we CAN NOT expect ............or should we accept a time limit.

Major I’m not sure what you be implying with the resurrection and rapture being the day of grace. I not sure sure what you be implying about Daniel’s 69 & 70th wk. As to your writing here ( there not being a single text which mentions a church age which will come to an end during the time of the 2nd coming of Christ . ) you than go to write ( so that means that we CANNOT expect or should we expect a time limit ) What you be implying with all that ? Prim

 

[Major]

Major I’m not sure what you be implying with the resurrection and rapture being the day of grace. I not sure sure what you be implying about Daniel’s 69 & 70th wk. As to your writing here ( there not being a single text which mentions a church age which will come to an end during the time of the 2nd coming of Christ . ) you than go to write ( so that means that we CANNOT expect or should we expect a time limit ) What you be implying with all that ? Prim

Thanks for asking Prim.

What I actually said was that from Resurrection of Jesus TO the Rapture is the Church Age or as many call it the Day of Grace. I am blessed to be able to explain it to you.

That time span is then the time between the 69th and 70th Week of Daniels prophecy. Daniel’s prayer in Daniel 9 3-19 refers to the fulfillment of a specific seventy-year period, the seventy years of the Babylonian captivity (as prophesied by Jeremiah). Daniel received the seventy weeks prophecy in response to his prayer. The “weeks” are sets of seven years. The prophecy foretells a period of seven times seventy weeks yet to come, or seventy seven-year periods. Seventy seven-year periods are 490 years.

The prophecy specifies that “from the issuance of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, until the Messiah, the Prince, there will be seven weeks [49 years] and sixty-two weeks [434 years]. . . . Then after the sixty-two weeks the Messiah will be cut off and will have nothing” as seen in Daniel 9:25-26 which is exactly when the Messiah, Jesus the Christ was crucified or "Cut Off".

According to the prophecy, from the decree to rebuild Jerusalem there would be seven seven-year periods and sixty-two more seven-year periods—or 483 years—until the Messiah would show up. After the culmination of the 62 seven-year periods, or after 483rd year, the Messiah would be cut off.

Because Jesus was Cut Off/Crucified BEFORE the 490 year prophecy, that leaves SEVEN (7) years yet to be completed. THAT then is the Age of Grace of the Church age.

You see Prim......Jesus did not come as the Messiah to the Gentiles. He came as the Messiah/Saviour to Israel!!!!!!
Isreal rejected their Messiah and killed Him and at that point the Father turned to the Gentiles allowed the Gentiles to accept Jesus by faith and be saved from sin and started His Church.

So, 483 years x 360 days = 173,880 days. This is the equivalent of 476 years and 25 days, using our modern Gregorian calendar’s 365-day year or the EXACT day that Jesus entered Jerusalem on Palm Sunday before His Crucifixion presenting Himself to Jerusalem as their Messiah.

Then you asked me..........
"so that means that we CANNOT expect or should we expect a time limit".

I said that in responce to your trying to question the literal meaning of the word One Thousand Years. You suggested that there is a "time limit" on the church age and I said that there are NO Scriptures that say that anywhere in the Bible.
We can not say that One Thousand Years is not literal on one hand and then suggest that there is a time limit on the Age of Grace.

It is always a blessing to talk to you and I hope this info helps you.

 

[Major]

Major you write ( if God intended to say an unspecified amount of time why didn’t he do that ? ) Major my reply that he sometimes does but not always . Are not days often interrupted into years when it comes to Bible prophecy. Why did God not say years instead of days ? The reality is that is up to God . He has chosen his word to be read in different ways. Sometimes as poetry sometimes as parables sometimes as symbolism sometimes as types and shadows and sometimes literally and figuratively. To me the me just accept the way the God has choose to present his word.

I understand your thoughts.

However we must remember that CONTEXT always determines our understanding.

Yes, I agree that Poetry and Parables and Yes, symbolism comes into play. Yes, pictures and shadows also come into the picture.

However, what we are talking about comes down to what God actually DID SAY in the originals. If God wanted to say or suggest that One Thousand meant an "unlimited" amount of time, there is a Greek word for that, BUT He did not do that. He had John write the exact word for One Thousand Years not an unlimited amount of years.

We must always, in order to be workmen of the Word of God, first approach that Word with the belief that God did say what He wanted to say when He said it. Anything less than that and we enter the world of "what we think God wanted to say", and that is the 1st step into liberalism.

Allow me to speak to the Scriptures that you posted on the 1000 beasts on the hills and others. There is no argument that those are Contextually speaking in that God owns ALL the hills and ALL the beasts.

Blessings as always to you. Good conversation!

 

[Prim90]

I understand your thoughts.

However we must remember that CONTEXT always determines our understanding.

Yes, I agree that Poetry and Parables and Yes, symbolism comes into play. Yes, pictures and shadows also come into the picture.

However, what we are talking about comes down to what God actually DID SAY in the originals. If God wanted to say or suggest that One Thousand meant an "unlimited" amount of time, there is a Greek word for that, BUT He did not do that. He had John write the exact word for One Thousand Years not an unlimited amount of years.

We must always, in order to be workmen of the Word of God, first approach that Word with the belief that God did say what He wanted to say when He said it. Anything less than that and we enter the world of "what we think God wanted to say", and that is the 1st step into liberalism.

Allow me to speak to the Scriptures that you posted on the 1000 beasts on the hills and others. There is no argument that those are Contextually speaking in that God owns ALL the hills and ALL the beasts.

Blessings as always to you. Good conversation!

Major your contention is because the word used in Revelation 20 for a thousand years means a literal thousand years and if God had meant otherwise he would have used another word if meaning a longer period of time.. ok let’s evaluate that. In John 10:7 it says I am the door to the sheep. The words for door and sheep are both literal. In Psalm1:3 it says and he shall be like a tree planted by the rivers. Again with the man being compared to a fruitful literal tree. So just because you have a word or number that is literal doesn’t mean that can’t be taken as a simile a parable, symbolically or figuratively. And yes Major you be right we must always evaluate context along with a few other things like more literal readings as the epistles when comparing such a symbolic book as the book of revelations when considering end time prophecy. But we not even have to do that . Because there already be an elephant in the room. Ahd that being that Satan has been bound now for nearly 2000 yrs and not a thousand years beginning when our Lords ministry finished here upon earth vanquishing Satans dominion and power over the earth as our Lords gospel now continues to expand and flourish unto the four corners of the world. This is why Satan being bound for a thousand yrs is to be taken figuratively as a longer period of time. And of course there may be symbology as a possibility as well. Yours Prim

 

[Dave F.]

Satan has been bound now for nearly 2000 yrs

Prim,
Why do you believe that Satan has been bound. As I read Revelations if he were already bound then Jesus would be sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem and we would be living in peace and no longer learn war. Clearly we still have wars and evil is still in this world. Will you please elaborate?

 

[Prim90]

Prim,
Why do you believe that Satan has been bound. As I read Revelations if he were already bound then Jesus would be sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem and we would be living in peace and no longer learn war. Clearly we still have wars and evil is still in this world. Will you please elaborate?

Dave I do elaborate the matter in post 13 the binding of Satan occurred in reference to Satan losing his authority and power over the nations of the world . Israel was the only place the light did shine to some degree before the coming of Christ. What the first Adam lost the 2nd Adam Christ is reclaiming with victory over Satan whilest here upon earth the great commission continues to the the 4 corners of the world Satans strongholds continue to be torn down..Doesn't mean that Satan is still not active only that he cannot fully deceive the nations fully as he did before until the appointed time when he is loosed for a season. Yes there is still much evil. But that is a matter for God when he decides to put all his enemies under his feet which will probably happen when the last of the lords sheep are safely in the pen. It is late . Goodnight