Yes, so many different views, and that is why we discuss because we are all learning and need each other - iron sharpens iron.`
The Millennium: (9) Life in the Millennium
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I would like to publically thank In Awe of Him as those of us who study eschatology need to be reminded of the Lord`s humble attitude which she displays. We can have all knowledge but if not `love,` the right attitude then we are `clanging cymbals,` and nothing. (1 Cor. 13: 1) (My reading this morning.)
Major I can only take you at your word. They do .say that time does eventually heal all things. I apologise also if I have misunderstood you also. Best we discuss no more .
Dave from what me read seems that it still be in the first resurrection era. At least up to verse 10 prior to the Great White Throne judgement. How much time has passed since Satan has been bound from Christs ministry here upon earth Well from 31 AD to 2024 nearly some 2000 yrs. We not know the appointed time when Satan is fully unloosed to deceive the nations in verse 7 as yet
Dave as far I know it hasn’t happened as yet. Where did I say that it had . Could be a hundred or a thousand years from now only God knows I guess
Thank you for asking me those questions sister.
1.
The point of Isaiah’s metaphor in 65:20 is that in the new heavens and new earth there will be no more untimely deaths.
In the eternal kingdom, children won’t die in days of suckling, nor men in days of youth. All will have longevity of days.
2.
in Exodus 19:6, God promises to make Israel “a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation.” As of today, they fall very far short of what God intended this unique nation to be so therefore this is a promise yet to be seen.
God promises in Isaiah 61:6......
“Ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: men shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves”.
In the Millenium, she will be at last what God had always intended: a blessing to the nations. “And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men” (Mic 5:7).
3.
There will be humans born during the 1000 year rule of Christ. This system will be needed because God’s glorious presence will again dwell on Earth in the midst of sinners. This purging act propitiates God, enabling Him to dwell among His people.
If we recall, God resided in the midst of sinful, unclean people. Similarly, Ezekiel predicted the return of God’s glory to the Millennial Temple. Thus people worshiping at the Temple will need to atone for their uncleanness, so it won’t cause defilement.
The atonement-cleansing was necessary in Leviticus because the Shekinah Glory dwelt in the Tabernacle in Ex. 40:34.
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The sacrificial ritual in the Millennial Temple will remind the Jewish people of the work of Christ on the cross when the kingdom is restored to Israel. God will be dwelling on the Earth in the midst of sinful people who live in natural bodies. The sacrifices will ensure that impure people do not defile Gods temple when coming to worship Him. Thos sacrifices will not be a substitute for Gods plan of salvation through faith in Christ.
Excellent questions and thanks for asking.
May I post here from the Forum Rules of engagement.............
"The Staff at CFS would like to bring to your attention, certain topics, that when discussed in the open forum, tend to cause division and strife and quickly turn into heated or angry discussions which simply can not be permitted here at CFS.
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(4) Predestination, Calvinism, Arminianism or Preterism - (or any variations.)
I guess that tells us all we need to know about this direction of the thread.
Major I fail to see anything in my post 46 where I promote Preterism. It was you who first mentioned Preterism not me . I merely enlightened you that you were expounding a hyper Preterist position against Preterism which is not a normal standard Preterist position in what you were writing. As to site rules Major I think I have expressed my concerns about this a number of times per site rules . As you have also done over the years . So Preterism Arminianism and Calvinism are taboo subjects. For me it’s a slippery slope once we go down this path. For it might be your theological point of view on the forbidden books list next time around. Major thank you for your concern. Primmy shall does contine to admire your Big paws from a distance as she swings happily from her birdy cage : )
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In your post # 44...
Dave from what me read seems that it still be in the first resurrection era. At least up to verse 10 prior to the Great White Throne judgement. How much time has passed since Satan has been bound from Christs ministry here upon earth Well from 31 AD to 2024 nearly some 2000 yrs. We not know the appointed time when Satan is fully unloosed to deceive the nations in verse 7 as yet.
We were talking about the 1,000 year reign of Christ, which you say has already begun. Verse 4 clearly shows that it does not begin until after the beast of Rev. 13 has been defeated. The beast has yet to come to power, therefore the 1,000 years could not have begun as of yet.
May God continue to smile upon you sister.
Merry Christmas!
No me write the ministry of Christ in post 44 Meaning his ministry here upon earth as me wrote . From where Satan was bound shortly after. Dave Me not be writing about the reign of Christ. You now be writing about Christ reigning : ) that be much different. Me be writing about the binding of Satan. Dave wishing you a pleasant day in your America. Wishing you a pleasant festival season ahead also if we not chat prior
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Hi Major,
1. I do not believe that Isaiah 65: 17 – 25 is a metaphor. It is about what actually will take place in the millennium. God says at the beginning (v. 17) that He will make a New heavens and New Earth, and we know that death has been defeated by then, so no one will die after that. God then goes on to speak about life in the millennium which reveals long life but still people die.
2. I agree that God will fulfill His purpose for Israel in the millennium. They will be a kingdom/ rule of priests. (Ex. 19: 6) However, the Lord will not stay on the earth –
`…for if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are priests who offer gifts according to the law.` (Heb. 8: 4)
3. All that atoning and cleansing is only by the blood of Jesus. No sacrifice can substitute.
4.
I agree that the sacrifices in the millennium will remind the people of the work of Christ on the Cross. However, I do not agree that they` will ensure impure people do not defile God`s temple,` as you said.
If Jesus is on earth, as you say, then He is the temple. There would be no need to an earthly physical structure.
Hi Major,
So, a few more questions.
1. If as you say Jesus will be on the earth physically during the millennium and the Body of Christ also, we would then see people dying, going through a famine, and disease. This will be because that nation did not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King so they were given no rain. That then causes a famine, disease and death.
Is that part of the `blessed hope` we have been promised?
2. Then at the end of the tribulation, the billions of glorified believers in the Body of Christ and Israel and others who turned to God, will all be holed up in Jerusalem. Satan and the nations will surround us. It seems to me there would be `standing room only in the city.`
Why are we hunkered down there when we have glorified bodies?
Why is the Lord also stuck in the city surrounded by Satan and the nations?
So, a few more questions.
1. If as you say Jesus will be on the earth physically during the millennium and the Body of Christ also, we would then see people dying, going through a famine, and disease. This will be because that nation did not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King so they were given no rain. That then causes a famine, disease and death.
Is that part of the `blessed hope` we have been promised?
2. Then at the end of the tribulation, the billions of glorified believers in the Body of Christ and Israel and others who turned to God, will all be holed up in Jerusalem. Satan and the nations will surround us. It seems to me there would be `standing room only in the city.`
Why are we hunkered down there when we have glorified bodies?
Why is the Lord also stuck in the city surrounded by Satan and the nations?
I understand that you do not believe that Jesus will reign on earth "literally" for the Millennium. I apologize for this lengthy responce in advance.
Revelation 20:1-4.
"And I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years, and threw him into the abyss, and shut it and sealed it over him, so that he should not deceive the nations any longer, until the thousand years were completed; after these things he must be released for a short time. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of the testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark upon their forehead and upon their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. "
Here we read that Satan will be bound in an abyss for 1,000 years. Now the question we are talking about is.....
“Are the 1,000 years real years or are they symbolic?”
You are saying that they are Symbolic and that is OK.
Now then, as we both know, the book of the Revelation is full of numbers.
It has referred to 7 churches, 7 angels, 7 lampstands, 7 stars (Revelation 1),
4 creatures before the throne, 24 elders (Revelation 4),
144,000 witnesses (12,000 from each tribe in Revelation 7),
7 seals, 7 trumpets, 7 bowls, and
a 200,000 man army (Revelation 9).
During the 7 seals we read about 1/3 of the sea,
1/3 of the ships,
1/3 of the waters,
and 1/3 of the sun and moon and stars being struck (Revelation 8:7-13).
In Revelation 11 we read about 2 witnesses, 3.5 days, and 42 months, and 1,260 days.
Revelation 12 refers to “times, time, and half a time,” as well as.......
7 horns, 10 horns, 7 crowns,
1/3 of the stars, and 1,260 days.
When we come to Revelation 13, we find 42 months and the number 666.
When we arrive at Revelation 16, we read about 7 bowls. They are listed in consecutive and chronological order.
Revelation 17 describes 10 horns, 7 heads, 10 horns, and an eighth king. Revelation refers to a second time and 24 elders.
Revelation 20 refers to 1,000 years, a first resurrection and a second death.
Revelation 21 refers to 3 gates, 12 foundation stones, fifteen hundred miles, 72 yards and 12 different stones.
This is an example of the many numbers in the book and the vast majority of scholars accept those numbers for what they are. Numbers!
They accept the numbers literally.
Now my question is this.........If they are only symbolic, why are there so many numbers? If they are only symbols, then the numbers are unnecessary.
That being said, why should we reject the number 1,000 years and now make an exception and say that this number does not mean one thousand as it says in the Literal Greek language.?
Why would God go to such detailed mathematics to just cause confusion? Is God the god of confusion?????
Should we say that it does not refer to 1,000 years? The answer is no! IMHO, the 1,000 years are literal just like the other numbers. If we interpret the numbers symbolically, we have confusion. With a symbolic approach, everything is uncertain. Then one can make the numbers mean whatever they want them to mean. Then one’s creativity determines the meaning and there might really be 101 trumpets or only one seal.
1.
The Millenium is not the eternal end of humanity. There is the New Heavens and New earth after the 1000 years.
Scriptures do not say that there will be NO more war or death in that time frame. Scriptures tell us that there will be sin and men will live "longer lives". That is confirmed in Isaiah 65:20.........
"There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed."
2.
There will actually only be a very few "humans" who survive the Tribulation.
Glorified believers, those who were Raptured can go and come to anywhere they wish.
In 1 Corinthians 15:35–58. Paul describes the future state as a dying and rising again to new life, and it is in this passage that he gives the most detailed explanation of what that means. He tells us that the material body that we now have will die and that we shall be raised with a spiritual body that will not be subject to the current laws of human nature.
I do not see anywhere in the Scriptures where those in "glorified bodies" are hunkered down anywhere.
John 14:1.....
"In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
If there is enough room in the place God has prepared then God would be a Liar!
You should also recall that God will remake the entire Earth.
Isaiah 65:17
“For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth;
And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind."
2 Peter 3:12-13
"looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be destroyed by burning, and the elements will melt with intense heat! But according to His promise we are looking for new heavens and a new earth, in which righteousness dwells".
Revelation 21:1
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea."
I am very confident that there will be plenty of room.
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I hope you do not take this the wrong way, but you seem to be rather skeptical of what God has already said that He was going to do.
I for one do not see God "stuck" in Jerusalem. From the Scriptures, I see Him sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem ruling the world in righteousness. There will not be any more supreme courts, or judges. Jesus will make ALL judgments.
Mica 4:2......
“Many nations shall come, and say: ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob, that he may teach us his ways and that we may walk in his paths.’”
That Scripture teaches us that, during the millennium, people from many nations will come to “the mountain of the Lord”—a reference to Zion, or Jerusalem. People from all over the world will come to the temple (“the house of the God of Jacob”) to learn God’s Law and obey it.
The fact that people from every nation come to Jerusalem does not mean that everyone must travel to Jerusalem during the millennium. Most likely, people will be able to worship the Lord from anywhere in the world: “The earth will be full of the knowledge of the LORD as the waters cover the sea” -Isaiah 11:9.
This prediction foreshadows the Great Commission of Jesus Christ to make disciples of all nations in Matt. 28:18-20.
Now Major this is the second time you have said that I think the millennium is not a thousand years. Let me assure you -
I BELIEVE THE MILLENNIUM IS A THOUSAND YEARS.
Hi Major,
1. Yes I am skeptical of what you are saying because you say one thing then contradict it. Eg.
You say Jesus is ruling physically in Jerusalem in the millennium.
`I see Him sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem ruling the world in righteousness. `
Then when Satan and the nations surround Jerusalem you don`t believe Jesus is hunkered down there. Well, where is He and what scripture tells us He left those in Jerusalem by themselves?
2. Next you contradict scripture saying - `There will not be any more supreme courts, or judges. Jesus will make ALL judgments.`
However, God`s word says the priests will JUDGE.
`…the priests, the Levities, the sons of Zadok, who kept charge of my sanctuary….they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and the unholy, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
In controversy they shall stand as JUDGES and JUDGE it according to my judgments. They shall keep my laws and my statures in all my appointed meetings and they shall hallow my Sabbaths.` (Ez. 44: 15, 23 & 24)
3. Again, you are confused and sometimes talk of the millennium and sometimes of the New Heavens and New Earth.
I said there would be standing room only in Jerusalem when Satan surrounded the camp of the saints in Jerusalem if you believed we were there with the Lord physically on earth.
But is seems you have us back in heaven in the mansions or going wherever we want to go.
`"In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
If there is enough room in the place God has prepared then God would be a Liar!`
That is the New heavens and New earth NOT the millennium we are talking about.
`Glorified believers, those who were Raptured can go and come to anywhere they wish.`
Scripture says we are with the Lord on His throne. (Rev. 3: 21)
1. Yes I am skeptical of what you are saying because you say one thing then contradict it. Eg.
You say Jesus is ruling physically in Jerusalem in the millennium.
`I see Him sitting on the throne of David in Jerusalem ruling the world in righteousness. `
Then when Satan and the nations surround Jerusalem you don`t believe Jesus is hunkered down there. Well, where is He and what scripture tells us He left those in Jerusalem by themselves?
2. Next you contradict scripture saying - `There will not be any more supreme courts, or judges. Jesus will make ALL judgments.`
However, God`s word says the priests will JUDGE.
`…the priests, the Levities, the sons of Zadok, who kept charge of my sanctuary….they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and the unholy, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.
In controversy they shall stand as JUDGES and JUDGE it according to my judgments. They shall keep my laws and my statures in all my appointed meetings and they shall hallow my Sabbaths.` (Ez. 44: 15, 23 & 24)
3. Again, you are confused and sometimes talk of the millennium and sometimes of the New Heavens and New Earth.
I said there would be standing room only in Jerusalem when Satan surrounded the camp of the saints in Jerusalem if you believed we were there with the Lord physically on earth.
But is seems you have us back in heaven in the mansions or going wherever we want to go.
`"In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you."
If there is enough room in the place God has prepared then God would be a Liar!`
That is the New heavens and New earth NOT the millennium we are talking about.
`Glorified believers, those who were Raptured can go and come to anywhere they wish.`
Scripture says we are with the Lord on His throne. (Rev. 3: 21)
Thanks for the reply. Now we are not discussing the topic at hand but are doing the He said She said dance. That is not productive.
I believe it is time for me to allow others to talk with you.
Be safe and have a Merry Christmas.