I don't hold with people who make fun of Jesus' state in the tomb. Nor with those who feign knowledge in order to assail people's faith. Wikipedia is not
your friend. As they say. But many resort to that in order to use the information there to address any issue in, in this case, a Christian forum where they wish to Troll and offend.
You see, someone who truly knew the Hebrew of the scriptural account of our Lord's burial in the tomb would know that "napkin" is a poor English translation of the original reference to the mitznefet.
It was that which covered Jesus' face in the tomb.
They would also know that the tachrichin, what we know as the shroud of Turin today, is in itself a common burial garment for the Jewish dead. In fact, it is something that can be purchased today if one is intending to set their estate in order and have that garment included in their burial rite.
John 20:7
Yochanan 20:7 (Orthodox Jewish Bible)
7 And also the mitznefet (head wrapping), which had been upon the rosh of Rebbe, Melech HaMoshiach, the mitznefet not lying with the tachrichin, (*my edit here* shroud of Turin) but apart, having been folded up in one place.
And the many pounds of herbs and spices, not to forget the oils that Jesus' body was anointed with after he was washed, are part of Jewish law. He was never embalmed, as was implied. If that did not apply embalming would have never been introduced into the discussion, since it is not scriptural. But it was intended to be inferred. As was the "glue" that was stated to have been created from those herbs that were brought into the tomb, and which were said to have been brought there in order to make the glue to hold the wrappings. None of this is true, none of this applies in Jewish ritual. Nor is it in scripture.
But it was proclaimed as the point for point reason why the Shroud of Turin is a fake. There is certainly a fraud being perpetrated here. But it is not in evidence as relates to the shroud information in the video or scripture related to Jesus' burial.
John 19:40
Yochanan 19:40
Therefore, they took the Guf HaYeshua (Body of Yehoshua) and bound it in linen clothes with spices as is the burial minhag with the Yehudim.
Jesus was buried according to Jewish law. Aka/
Halakhah. The Minhag (Minhagim) =custom/customs. Yehudim=Jews.
Life is far too precious to tolerate people of evil intent. I lurked at a site that was purported to be a Christian community and I can tell you it was anything but. The venom and hatred there, all perpetrated by an atheist owner who adopted innumerable sock accounts in order to generate inflammatory posts and inspire an atmosphere of contention so as to increase thread page counts and increase the sites advertising revenue stream, was enlightening. What I witnessed there, because a friend is one of the few real people who are on staff and told me about the real mechanics behind the scenes, showed me how blessed true Christian communities are to come together in the real spirit of Christ.
Where two or more are gathered in his name...
I don't tolerate blasphemy of Christ. I don't condone jokes made about his rotted corpse and maggots in the shroud linen, and housekeepers, etc... This thread was started so as to discuss the contention that the Shroud of Turin has been demonstrated to be worthy of consideration as Christs burial shroud.
I respect there are those who don't agree. That's why there is a poll affording the skeptic a voice. What I don't invite into this thread are Trolls who presume to apologize for their behavior after they've mocked members here who review the evidence with respect and afford their personal faith filled opinions.
And that's just how it is. I ignore such individuals. Because while they demonstrate they are worthy of prayer, they are not worthy of attention that feeds their behavior so that it continues as it has. There hasn't been one post in this thread that that individual has committed to print that shows someone with a sweet heart in this matter.
And this, with all respect to you my sister, is the last I'll say on the individual in question.
I'd really appreciate this thread returning to the topic at hand.
Thank you for your sharing your genuine thoughts on this matter. And for your understanding as to my point of view. God bless.
@Scripture Bird JPT is a sweetheart once you get to know him. Mayhaps things got off on the "wrong foot". It is easy enough to misunderstand what someone has typed and their real intention. I have seen people flame off on each other because they misread each other's post and initially agreed with each other.
As for arguments? With over 40,000 Protestant denominations, alone, there are going to be doctrinal disagreements. When egos are forefront, things generally can be nasty. The nastiest ones involve packs with bullies. Best advice that I received here was to bring the HS to read and type posts. I also learned that you have to bring your love of God to any debate and remember that God loves the one you are disagreeing with just as much as you. It's been said about a zillion times before, but you can make any point justified by biblical authority when using sculpted, out of context and twisted scripture. If you go for the "heart" of scripture, you realize that understanding is clearer as is truth. I didn't really realize that there are no real contradictions in the Word when you look for the truth. In nasty arguments? I have found no one learns anything - not even how to avoid it in the future, most times. It is hard for me to believe that any other forums are any different, altho this is the only one I go to. And I have learned here and have gained great insight from some pretty marvelous people. And I learn much from civil debate, if only more people knew how to engage in it. [/quote]