I don't suppose any one read my post on it very carefully
I admit i skimmed some of it.
As Christians we need scriptures before we just believe what everyone tells us. Scriptures!!!!
Exactly what I was trying to tell you friend.
I never said healing is automatic, just like being fully grown and mature in Christ is not automatic.
The problem is that there is a doctrine that God picks and chooses who gets healed or protected, ETC............
God is quite soviergn and that is quite scriptural.
So, we can walk in the natural and ignore the ministry of Jesus (Head of the Church.) and see all the good Christians that died and all the health issues we have had, then make an assumption based on that.
Not wanting to debate this as it would make a terrific long post, I'll just examine a few.
Boanerges gave some scripture. So we will start there. These are common scriptures used to prove it is not God's Will that everyone be healed.
(2 Tim 4:20) Paul left Trophimus sick!!!
Paul and the rest of the apostles were not the healer. They were used by God to get people healed, but God was the healer and performed the Word with signs following.
So God did not choose to heal him or did the disciple (according to you) lack faith? You seem to be picking and choosing. We know that Christ healed but He did not alweays heal everyone. (Joh 5:1-9)
Mar 16:20 And they went forth, and preached every where,
the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
There are some doctrines that claim our (Force of Faith) causes things to happen, but no scripture for that. Faith is the ability to believe God past what physical circumstances dictate. Remember Peter walking on water looking at the waves and wind?
Trophimus was sick, He must not have been feeling well and not all healing is instant!!! I think that is were the confusion comes from.
That is an assumption with no proof- a poor basis for doctrine
Jesus said lay hands on the sick and they shall RECOVER....not instantly healed all the time. Same in James, The Lord shall Raise them up. (James 5:15) It is not spectacular most of the time.
Faith was always involved though......................Faith comes from hearing the word of God.
Act 14:9 The same
heard Paul speak: who steadfastly beholding him, and perceiving that he
had faith to be healed,
Act 14:10 Said with a loud voice, Stand upright on thy feet. And he leaped and walked.
The apostles did not have special healing powers from God, and God did not favor them anymore than he does you or I. Peter said this at the Gate where the lame man was healed.
Could be yes or no- there is a gift of healing:
1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.
1Co 12:29 Are all apostles? are all prophets? are all teachers? are all workers of miracles?
1Co 12:30 Have all the gifts of healing? do all speak with tongues? do all interpret?
Act 3:12 And when Peter saw it, he answered unto the people, Ye men of Israel, why marvel ye at this? or why look ye so earnestly on us, as though
by our own power or holiness we had made this man to walk?
I am sure Trophimus was fine after he rested.
Again- hopefully true but defintely no evidence.
In the Old testament there was not much healing, but more of a obey God and sickness won't come type of thing. Jesus came and redeemed us from the Curse or punishment for disobedience to the Word of God. (Gal 3:13)
Luk 4:27 And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet; and none of them was cleansed, saving Naaman the Syrian.
Jesus healed
all that were sick and oppressed of the devil. He has never changed in his Will or power. (Acts 10:38)
Sometimes He ehaled one as per the scripture I posted earlier in this thread.
I left you a private e-mail on the others.
Thanks for that I read your opinion and responded.
willing_servant:
Glory to God Brother......... You don't THINK it's the truth? I gave scripture and could have given lots more. I just want my Brothers and Sisters to Have the victory in something that Jesus Bought and paid for.
Well, Glory!!! your mom gets to be with Jesus... We will see her soon enough
A lot of times it's not a matter of faith, but what you know to be true. God's people are destroyed for lack of Knowledge (Hose 4:6) The devil does not play fair and will take what he can if you allow it. That's Why in Peter we are told to be diligent against our adversary the Devil that tries to roar like a lion seeking who he may devour. Not everyone can be taken down by him. As for enough faith? The Head of our Church said several times that the persons faith made them whole or he has not seen so great faith. Even Peter walking on the Water and begin to sink Jesus told him he had
little faith
I never said these things, Jesus did.
Well, no......... Disobedience or sin produce death, that's scripture and walking in the devils territory (Give no place to the devil.) can cause you to go through things God never intended. God is not punishing anyone today, or judging anyone
Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
As Christians we have to judge ourselves as we have a Lord now, or we are going to be Judged. That does not mean it's over, but we can miss out on some things the Lord had for us.
Being a good Christian does not insure health, and there is no scripture that supports that. Some of the best Christians die young. Jesus said it was faith that made you whole, not being good. I'll explain an example of using faith in the end of this.
I would be very careful about DREAMS, Satan can come as an angel of light and if were not strong in the Word, we can be decieved. The thief came to kill and to steal and destroy, not God. (John 10:10) There is not one Scripture that God makes anyone suffer, Jesus never made anyone suffer or even told anyone it was the will of God they suffer. He healed all!!!
There is no scripture that shows we suffer physically or mentaly for Jesus or God. We were not given the spirit of fear but of peace, power and SOUND MIND.
1Pe 4:19 Wherefore let them that
suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.
This is as close as your going to get for a scripture, nothing about physical suffering or mental suffering, you have to add that. Lets look a the full Greek.
Rom 8:17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
Rom 8:18 For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us.
1Ti 4:10 For therefore we both labour and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Saviour of all men, specially of those that believe.
1Ti 4:11 These things command and teach.
1Pe 4:19 Therefore, those
who are ill-treated and suffer in accordance with God's will must do right and commit their souls [in charge as a deposit] to the One Who created [them] and
will never fail [them].
We are promised to be mistreated by those that do not like Christians, at times it may not seem fair, but must be strong and keep a good attitude about it.
Not one scripture for God inflicting pain on his Children. The best case you can make is the book of Job, but God had nothing to do with that also. It would take to long to explain.
This prophecy was know to be fulfilled because of Physical healing!!! Read above again the scriptures I gave. If God's Word compared it to Physical healing then good enough for me.
Faith................... Example......... I am sick.......
First you have what you say.... Mark 11:23
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and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
Jesus said it, so it's good enough for me.
Faith agree's with God, and there is more than enough evidence to prove that it is his will that we don't stay sick.
Faith never accecpts sickness or sides with it. Doing so means your siding with the one that kills, steals and destorys.
Faith never prays one way then says something else days latter.
"God please heal me."
"I will probley have to deal with this the rest of my life."
Faith comes from the Word of God and produced in your heart. Out of the abundance of you heart your mouth is going to speak. If your filled with fear and no hope of getting well, then that is what your going to speak and nothing changes.
God can fix something overnight, but it would be better to meditate in the word day and night until the things Jesus said about healing and all the examples of healing in the Word become so strong that you could not believe or accecpt another outcome.
Could someone convince you that your not going to heaven? NO (Hope not)
you are saved though grace by faith.
Healing can be the same way if you will accecpt that God wants you healed just like he wanted you saved.
I have seen lots of folks get healed, some don't. I have laid hands on people and they have been healed instantly, some we keep bringing them the Word and months latter it dawns on them that they are truly healed.
Things happen in the realm of the spirit first that effect this physical World. It has to change there first and in your own mind to recieve what God said.
God's Will to heal............ explains it a lot better than I could here and is free..........
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I gave scriptural evidence in what I said is correct. If you don't believe me, at least don't discount the scriptures and miss Something that may be important to you or save you life. God puts people in our paths in forums like this, and don't find out latter that you may have missed out.
To take your views from the majority of scripture and ignore the rest is error. They are all true or none is. This thought can keep you from much error.
Jeus Is Lord.