Utter Weakness?

[Peter Luke]

God is mindful of us because we are not even mindful of ourselves in the true sense.

PL, I'm not sure I follow something you said at the outset. When you said the above, can you elaborate? What is that truest sense? Also, how did you arrive at the idea that God is "mindful" of us because we are not "mindful" of Him? I always thought God was/is mindful of us because of His immense grace and mercy, not because of any lack on our part. I thought God chose us because He has an eternal purpose we have not yet seen on this side of eternity, especially when we consider that His thoughts and ways are above ours as the heavens are above the earth.

Hope you don't mind a few questions.

Blessings to you all.

MM

If we were mindful of ourselves in the true sense, then we would know that all our fears come from our false-self, and not worth paying attention to. We would know that all our wants, issues and agendas are fear-based, that being restless, irritable and discontent are fear-based. Anger, jealousy, envy, greed, racism, judgements, gloating, etc, etc, are forms of fear. All these things have nothing to do with the truth.

Musicmaster said: Also, how did you arrive at the idea that God is "mindful" of us because we are not "mindful" of Him?
I did not say that, nor was that idea my intention.

God is always mindful of us in terms that God is Truth. Truth exists even when we are not mindful of it. Truth is the Greater Reality and anything else, in our consciousness, becomes a delusion (un-real) of our own making. God is mindful when we are not real, or 'blank-out' so to speak. The truth is always present, but when we are in denial, we only see what we want to see, which is not the truth. In that sense we become a blank, because God will not acknowledge anything not true... Luke 13:27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’

The evildowers believe in and do what is not real. Such realms are not based on truth, faith, nor love; but on fear of being exposed as a fraud, being valid by one's own mind, instead of being mindful (valid) by the Truth/God. Most humans in this world we walk through are busy generating such a realms to believe in, instead of believing in God/Truth. The Truth is, that our True self (inner being) has and always was okay from birth. However, as soon as we forgot this, or believed we are no longer 'okay', our life became fear-based (deluded). We became enslaved to our self-generated false-self, known as the 'bondage of self'. Christ was sent to us to teach us the truth and through death of the body, and resurrecting of a new, broke the bondage of self as well as death itself. Not only this, but through Christ, the way, the truth, and the life we can be mindful that we are always 'okay' regardless what this world of false realms presents to us.

God is mindful that we are in play with this world, and so Truth is always present, waiting for us to 'choose' to become open to it, so that the truth can set us free from the bondage of self. Lifting the veils of denial so we can see the Greater Reality that has always been there.

 

[Musicmaster]

If we were mindful of ourselves in the true sense, then we would know that all our fears come from our false-self, and not worth paying attention to. We would know that all our wants, issues and agendas are fear-based, that being restless, irritable and discontent are fear-based. Anger, jealousy, envy, greed, racism, judgements, gloating, etc, etc, are forms of fear. All these things have nothing to do with the truth.

Musicmaster said: Also, how did you arrive at the idea that God is "mindful" of us because we are not "mindful" of Him?
I did not say that, nor was that idea my intention.

God is always mindful of us in terms that God is Truth. Truth exists even when we are not mindful of it. Truth is the Greater Reality and anything else, in our consciousness, becomes a delusion (un-real) of our own making. God is mindful when we are not real, or 'blank-out' so to speak. The truth is always present, but when we are in denial, we only see what we want to see, which is not the truth. In that sense we become a blank, because God will not acknowledge anything not true... Luke 13:27 “But he will reply, ‘I don’t know you or where you come from. Away from me, all you evildoers!’

The evildowers believe in and do what is not real. Such realms are not based on truth, faith, nor love; but on fear of being exposed as a fraud, being valid by one's own mind, instead of being mindful (valid) by the Truth/God. Most humans in this world we walk through are busy generating such a realms to believe in, instead of believing in God/Truth. The Truth is, that our True self (inner being) has and always was okay from birth. However, as soon as we forgot this, or believed we are no longer 'okay', our life became fear-based (deluded). We became enslaved to our self-generated false-self, known as the 'bondage of self'. Christ was sent to us to teach us the truth and through death of the body, and resurrecting of a new, broke the bondage of self as well as death itself. Not only this, but through Christ, the way, the truth, and the life we can be mindful that we are always 'okay' regardless what this world of false realms presents to us.

God is mindful that we are in play with this world, and so Truth is always present, waiting for us to 'choose' to become open to it, so that the truth can set us free from the bondage of self. Lifting the veils of denial so we can see the Greater Reality that has always been there.

In counseling, some of the most difficult issues to help others overcome are fear, depression and doubts. Telling them to ignore those harmful things is not productive in the sense that such counsel gives to them what is meaningful to the extent that they can incorporate right-thinking into their thought processes and their hearts. It's a long journey to help them walk through the various items that plague them, and helping them get to the point that they are able to stand on their own against the enemy of our souls and their own flesh. I'm working with someone right now, helping the individual to get past the doubts and nagging guilt of things long since eradicated by the Lord. Counselors...good ones, that is...must be willing to walk those extra miles with others to be of any help to them, and even then, it's got to be the Lord working through us as counselors.

Yes, it would be wonderful if counseling were as easy as the lollipop-express answers to their dilemmas, but given more thought, it's actually good that counseling is such hard work; helping others to strive against their 'demons'. That is how we and they grow in our stature before a loving and powerful God and Savior.

MM

 

[Peter Luke]

In counseling, some of the most difficult issues to help others overcome are fear, depression and doubts. Telling them to ignore those harmful things is not productive in the sense that such counsel gives to them what is meaningful to the extent that they can incorporate right-thinking into their thought processes and their hearts. It's a long journey to help them walk through the various items that plague them, and helping them get to the point that they are able to stand on their own against the enemy of our souls and their own flesh. I'm working with someone right now, helping the individual to get past the doubts and nagging guilt of things long since eradicated by the Lord. Counselors...good ones, that is...must be willing to walk those extra miles with others to be of any help to them, and even then, it's got to be the Lord working through us as counselors.

Yes, it would be wonderful if counseling were as easy as the lollipop-express answers to their dilemmas, but given more thought, it's actually good that counseling is such hard work; helping others to strive against their 'demons'. That is how we and they grow in our stature before a loving and powerful God and Savior.

MM

I never said to 'ignore', but said that the source of fear, the false-self, is not worth paying attention to. Paying attention to it, or its fears feeds the fear. However, paying attention to the truth of the fear not only frees their bondage to self and its fears, but also how to cope with the fears in this world we walk through.

Dear counsellor, please be aware, from your first sentence in above response, that depression and doubts are also forms of fear. In fact, all forms of tension in a person stems from fear. Teaching others to face their fears so they can see their own truth, as to why they fear, is a start to finding deeper truths that will liberate them. After all, the truth will set you free from all your fears (issues, and agendas in life).

Letting the Counsellor (Holy Spirit) counsel you to counsel others is not hard work at all. What we find hard is the stuff that is not working during counselling, and it always pertains to fear (doubt) of our self as a counsellor is not working. This is what I call paying attention to self and its fears which feeds it.

Fear feeds fear and feeds of it, like a dog returning to its vomit. The counsellor needs to be fearless, by paying attention to the truth of what they fear, not fear itself. To become fearless is to first 'heal thyself' by facing all one's own fears since birth _ hence, 'repentance'. Then there is the process of using what one 'knows' about themselves to overcome their defects of character and shortcomings through the grace of God - hence, turning ones will and life over to the care of God. It is during these personal experiences one realizes that they and everyone else is not only okay within, but have been all along, but forgot all about that once they paid attention to the world they walk through, and not the spirit, or true being, that they are. After all, we are not here for self (the cause of all our problems), but here for the One that sent us. All fears are based from the belief that we are not okay. In fact, you may already know about another counsellor, Thomas Harris, and his book, 'I'm OK - you're OK; which touched upon this truth.

To be fair to you, my background is that I am a recovered alcoholic and drug addict since 1988. Got a degree in rehabilitation counselling from the University of Sydney in 1995, and a postgrad in palliative care counselling in 2001. Been professional counsellor, since 1995, for over twenty years. Still do so on a volunteer basis. So, how you counsel is up to you, but I prefer to be under constant supervision from The Counsellor within.

 

[Musicmaster]

I never said to 'ignore', but said that the source of fear, the false-self, is not worth paying attention to. Paying attention to it, or its fears feeds the fear. However, paying attention to the truth of the fear not only frees their bondage to self and its fears, but also how to cope with the fears in this world we walk through.

Dear counsellor, please be aware, from your first sentence in above response, that depression and doubts are also forms of fear. In fact, all forms of tension in a person stems from fear. Teaching others to face their fears so they can see their own truth, as to why they fear, is a start to finding deeper truths that will liberate them. After all, the truth will set you free from all your fears (issues, and agendas in life).

Letting the Counsellor (Holy Spirit) counsel you to counsel others is not hard work at all. What we find hard is the stuff that is not working during counselling, and it always pertains to fear (doubt) of our self as a counsellor is not working. This is what I call paying attention to self and its fears which feeds it.

Fear feeds fear and feeds of it, like a dog returning to its vomit. The counsellor needs to be fearless, by paying attention to the truth of what they fear, not fear itself. To become fearless is to first 'heal thyself' by facing all one's own fears since birth _ hence, 'repentance'. Then there is the process of using what one 'knows' about themselves to overcome their defects of character and shortcomings through the grace of God - hence, turning ones will and life over to the care of God. It is during these personal experiences one realizes that they and everyone else is not only okay within, but have been all along, but forgot all about that once they paid attention to the world they walk through, and not the spirit, or true being, that they are. After all, we are not here for self (the cause of all our problems), but here for the One that sent us. All fears are based from the belief that we are not okay. In fact, you may already know about another counsellor, Thomas Harris, and his book, 'I'm OK - you're OK; which touched upon this truth.

To be fair to you, my background is that I am a recovered alcoholic and drug addict since 1988. Got a degree in rehabilitation counselling from the University of Sydney in 1995, and a postgrad in palliative care counselling in 2001. Been professional counsellor, since 1995, for over twenty years. Still do so on a volunteer basis. So, how you counsel is up to you, but I prefer to be under constant supervision from The Counsellor within.

I hope you don't think any less of me for having utilized a simile to "not paying attention." The definition of "ignore" is:

"to refrain from noticing or recognizing"
(https://www.dictionary.com/browse/ignore)

Conversationally speaking, as to counseling...well, suffice it to say that I've been doing it long enough now to know how to let the Lord work through me for others...fear or no fear. It's never about me or my accomplishments. It's about the Lord working through us all who follow Him.

The education behind counseling is what it is...educated. Although they have codified various of the commonalities in human behavior, they will never understand the totality of the human psyche. I remain unimpressed with the education system for counseling and psychoanalysis. Their books fail to acknowledge many spiritual dynamics to our humanity, which places them outside any REAL qualification for counseling, especially those who seek after the Lord.

The greatest successes in counseling I have encountered are those who have given themselves completely over to the Lord's guidance and control for helping those of His own creation. Amen.

MM

 

[Lanolin]

regards to OP

I don't really change the Bible to suit me.
I just read what's there in scripture.

We are made a little lower than angels. But if we are saved, we will be raised to sit in the heavenly places with Christ. So we become as Jesus said like the angels.

While we are on earth, we are weak, earthbound beings. We need machines to fly us around. We are mortal. We bleed, and we have a short life span. We are born naked and need clothing and food, and without water, we will die.