- Jul 21, 2011
What happened when you were saved? If something really changed; why do we find ourselves sinning after salvation?
Ginger is correct!What happened when you were saved? If something really changed; why do we find ourselves sinning after salvation?
If being saved means it is impossible to make a mistake, then no one is saved. The Scriptures say God uses all things to work together toward His good and perfect will.Thanks ginger.It is true that we live in two worlds.That is to say man has a spiritual part and a physical part.Which of the got saved? The spritual or the physical? When you suggest that God allows us to sin and uses our failings for His glory i doubt.
Jeremiah .... I don't want to interrupt your conversation with Ginger. I'm also interested in your response to her last question. You most certainly can choose to respond to her privately, however.
I just want to drop in to clarify the sinful nature and the spiritual nature.
Read 1Thessalonians 5:23: Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your WHOLE SPIRIT, SOUL, and BODY be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Concerning the importance of knowing the difference between the spirit and the soul, Watchman Nee said this:
Is it a matter of any consequence to divide the spirit and soul? It is an issue of supreme importance for it affects tremendously the spiritual life of a believer. How can a believer understand spiritual life if he does not know what is the extent of the realm of the spirit? Without such understanding how can he grow spiritually? To fail to distinguish between spirit and soul is fatal to spiritual maturity. Christians often account what is soulical as spiritual, and thus they remain in a soulish state and seek not what is really spiritual. How can we escape loss if we confuse what God has divided? (The Spiritual Man, vol. 1, p. 22).
Three Classes of People
In 1 Corinthians 2:14-15 and in 3:1, Paul distinguishes between three classes of people. First there is the "natural man" in verse 14. Here the word "natural" in the original Greek is "soulish." So in verse 14 we have the "soulish man." In verse 15 we have the "spiritual man," and in 3:1 we have "fleshy men" or "infants in Christ." The three verses according to the Greek read this way: "But a soulish man does not accept the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. But the spiritual man discerns all things...and I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual men, but as to fleshy men, as to infants in Christ." Here Paul clearly distinguishes between "the soulish man," "the spiritual man," and "fleshy men." A person who lives in the psychological part of his being (the Greek word psuche [soul] is the origin of the English word psyche) does not accept and does not understand the things of God. The reason is clear: the soul is not the part of man which receives and understands spiritual things. In 1 Corinthians 2:12-13 Paul says, "that we might know the things freely given to us by God, which things we also speak, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, interpreting (or communicating) spiritual things to spiritual men" (Margin, NASV). It is quite clear from this passage that spiritual things can be communicated only to men who know the spirit, and that those who live in the soul can never accept or understand the things of the spirit. The fact is that in the realm of the spirit men can receive, communicate, be taught, accept, understand, and discern the things of the Spirit; while in the realm of the soul spiritual things can neither be received nor understood. There is also a third class of men referred to by Paul as having the Holy Spirit yet their spirit is overwhelmed by the flesh. They neither submit to the Spirit nor are they ruled by the Spirit. They may pretend to be very learned, yet in depth of understanding they perceive very little. The Corinthian believers were in this class. Paul calls them "infants in Christ," yet considering themselves, they thought that they were complete in the spiritual realm.
It's okay to address a specific individual. I think Dok, was just being polite. I certainly wasn't trying to cut anyone out of the conversation, but I was just curious if you were asking this question because you were concerned about a specific person.I am sorry Dok and every one else i want every body to contribute.From now i will never include a name in my replies.Thanks for for your reply.