What is a Christian?

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Anyone want to say they are not a Christian nor believer at all, whom the Holy Ghost inspires to say Jesus is Lord?
I think we're muddying the waters by conflating words with faith and God. People hear "Christian" and they think "saved" or "elect" or "chosen" blah blah.

A Christian is a follower of Christ as defined by the individual in question. That's all. If there are two billion people who say they are Christian then that's it, even if none of them agree on what it means to follow.

Maybe God let's everyone into heaven, or maybe only a few. God can say "I don't know you" but that does not stop the individual from thinking they know God.

I guess we're all just slightly crazy stalkers in that respect.
 
this is a start th real question should be how do i become a Christian? this will depend on who you ask..
Scripture says we become a Christian by say Jesus Christ is the Lord. No one denying Christ is Lord, and especially not cursing Him as Lord, can be called a Christian.

1Co 12:3Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

Scripture also says we become a saved Christian by calling Him Lord from the heart:

Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
 
I see.

Here are the three uses of "Christian" in KJV:

and when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Then Agrippa said unto Paul, Almost thou persuadest me to be a Christian.

Yet if any man suffer as a Christian, let him not be ashamed; but let him glorify God on this behalf.

There are seven references to "Christian" in ESV but I won't copy them.
Great. Now we are on track together. I've shown why I say these Scriptures, as well as some others, that anyone confessing faith in Christ can certainly be called a Christian by other men, as well as by Scripture itself.

I'd certainly like to hear your critique of my reasoning, or some other reading you can offer. If I'm rightly corrected in any way, then I'll be glad to change it, and will live accordingly in my Christian relationships. (However, I'm fairly sure I will never be convinced to call anyone confessing faith in Christ, a non-believer and not a Christian at all. Even if they don't remotely measure up to my standard of Christian living...)
 
I think we're muddying the waters by conflating words with faith and God.
The wrong conflating, is between being a Christian by confessing Christ alone. And being a Christian by living the faith of Christ from the heart.

Heb 10:38Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.


People hear "Christian" and they think "saved" or "elect" or "chosen" blah blah.

Not everyone. Depending on what Christians people are seeing, they think hypocrite or self-righteous or lukewarm at best.

And we can make those judgments too, but they are still at least called Christian in Scripture, and we are supposed to still count them as a brother.

Of course, we need to make sure of ourselves first:

Mat 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?...Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.


A Christian is a follower of Christ as defined by the individual in question.
Once again, being a Christian by confessing Christ, is not the same as being a Christian by how we live.

Mat 7:21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Scripture never records the Lord telling some people calling Him Lord, are not Christians nor believers at all. The devils are believers too, but certainly not living like it:

Jas 2:19Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.


Maybe God let's everyone into heaven, or maybe only a few. God can say "I don't know you" but that does not stop the individual from thinking they know God.
Another topic.
 
I think you're spot on but I also think it does not matter. "Christian" is just a word. You can call yourself whatever name you like, but if you look to Jesus on the cross that's all that matters.
To agree we may think that, especially with how 'freely' the name is used. However, since Scripture has weighed in on the matter, then it's not just a matter of semantics. And, though at first, I thought it only mattered as a name for who will appear at the judgment seat of Christ, I've learned someone much more important to practice. Because it has to do with helping to restore any wayward Christian to being worthy of the name.

And, that certainly doesn't include telling any Christian prodigal, that they are not a believer nor a Christian at all. That's how ideology can be destructive in practice.

I've yet to hear from anyone that says only those living the faith can be called Christian, and someone that isn't can't be called a Christian at all. They have yet to tell me that they've actually practiced that ideology, by telling someone naming Christ, that they are not a Christian at all.

I know I used to practice that destructive ideology, by telling anyone naming Christ, that they are not a Christian at all, if they were not living by my pentecostal holiness standard...We used to make more enemies out of 'compromised' Christians, the the sinners not naming Christ at all...

2Th 3:14 And if any man obey not our word by this epistle, note that man, and have no company with him, that he may be ashamed. Yet count him not as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother.
 
I know I used to practice that destructive ideology, by telling anyone naming Christ, that they are not a Christian at all, if they were not living by my pentecostal holiness standard...We used to make more enemies out of 'compromised' Christians, the the sinners not naming Christ at all...

Now we are getting quite deep. Paul in his epistles (and forgive me but I don't know which letter or verse and haven't the desire to chase it down right now) says to encourage those of weak faith, strengthen and not further weaken them. He was speaking about diet and circumcision but it applies to all other areas in life. At this point I think we need to remember this since these words will live online forever and we don't want someone who is "just feeling the waters" to get spooked.

Honestly, the best teaching is sometimes silence. Sit and be with someone and let them know the strength of your faith without words. Let them witness your faith in action. Let them see how you live and treat others and how you love and respect God. Then -- only then -- tell them about Jesus and salvation. So many get the order wrong. They start with the hook and all people feel is getting poked and feeling the pressure to conform and be something they are not. In the end it scares them away. An we, as Christians, will be called to answer for that when we meet God, and that's not a conversation I look forward to.

So I avoid the names, and the jargon, and the Bible-speak and I lay it out as simply as possible. Look to Jesus. Believe in him. You don't need to understand how it works -- you can't! Even if you lived a thousand years and had an IQ of 250 it still would be a mystery. Just accept this is so and let the rest go. Don't worry about anything else. If it's going to make sense then in time it will, but if it never makes sense that's OK too.

Now that we have the hard part done, look at how your life will change -- not all at once but in slow measure, perhaps faster in time. You'll find yourself being a little nicer, a little kinder, as you see others struggling through life. You'll see some have more light, and others a bit darker, and you'll see a pattern and want to change. That's the Holy Spirit at work. Again, don't ask how it works. Just accept it does.

One day at a time, one person at a time, one choice at a time, let it seep into you. Suddenly you look back and are amazed at how far you've gone. Sure, you'll be tempted and you'll probably even give in. Sometimes it will feel like God has abandoned you but he hasn't. He's just letting you understand. Then you pick yourself up and take another step.

That's what being "Christian" means. Everything else is a distraction.
 
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I've explained enough times the difference between withholding Christian fellowship from someone confessing faith in Christ, vs telling them they're not a Christian and a non-believer.

So, how many people calling Christ Lord, have you told them, "You're not a Christian at all. You're a non-believer."?
I usually keep my judgments private. My private judgment is normally formed by their words.

1 John 4:5 KJV
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1 Corinthians 2:11-12 KJV
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14-15 KJV
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Matthew 12:34 KJV
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
 
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Ok. So, how many oneness Christians have you told, "You're not a Christian"?
I don't know any oneness Pentecostals. But, I don't have a problem with offering corrections, in a respectful and kind conversation.
But, you have to be correct about who God is. You can't just believe whatever and make false claims. Elohim, isn't just any God... He is the God, creator of heaven and earth. If someone refuses to be correct about who He is... NOT CHRISTIAN.
No exceptions. No excuses.


Satan has a lot of people confused, thinking you can make God to be whoever you want Him to be and that's not so. The Bible says to study and show thyself approved. You can't just makeup a God and a theology that you feel good about and call it Christianity...

Actually people have been making up their own Christianity for centuries... there's a reason why someone is pentecostal vs lutheran vs baptist vs methodist... just pick the theology you agree with (sarcasm)

Lord have mercy on us all.
 
my point depending on who you ask has been made. anyone can say they are a christian . th evidence has to come from the heart, romans 10:10 sometime back rafter church was over, i had a young man come to me all broken. telling me his wrongs saying i need forgiveness . he said you was preaching at me . along with another bro who gave a devotion be fore i brought the message. .

i asked him if he wanted to go to the altar he said yes. we gathered around him .he cried out forgive me. i questioned him if he was %100 certain he was forgiven. he done really good for a month i told him from the pulpit there had to be a change he lived with a women . she came to. i even explained in person his living arrangement needs to change. she even had close encounter at a singing. several ministered to her.. her reply i am not ready..

they soon vanished no more coming ..while i cant judge .. but i fear that seed feel 1 of the 3 grounds wayside thorns and rocks. there is no fruit of repentance .. you dont just simply get saved and then stop coming to Church,

i am very big on church attendance for it is vital for survival.. ( the church dont keep you saved or make you saved) butttt it has a big influence .. so to wrap this up on the Change of heart .. i use how the grinch stole Christmas or so he thought.. after he devised the plan to steal every thing . to do with Christmas. he got in a tight spot on the mountain peak. come Christmas morning Whoville celebrated. the grinch had a change of heart he returned everything had dinner with them.. he no longer hated Christmas.

each and everyone in this forum who are saved.. has had a change God replaced that stony heart with a new heart. he gave us a heart to KNOW HIM. born again regenerated. if one is still living the old way of life. they never got saved.
1 John 4:5 KJV
They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1 Corinthians 2:11-12 KJV
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. [12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.

1 Corinthians 2:14-15 KJV
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. [15] But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

Matthew 12:34 KJV
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
all this is TRUE i will add one more thing.

1 John 2:19

19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
 
I don't know any oneness Pentecostals. But, I don't have a problem with offering corrections, in a respectful and kind conversation.
But, you have to be correct about who God is. You can't just believe whatever and make false claims. Elohim, isn't just any God... He is the God, creator of heaven and earth. If someone refuses to be correct about who He is... NOT CHRISTIAN.
No exceptions. No excuses.


Satan has a lot of people confused, thinking you can make God to be whoever you want Him to be and that's not so. The Bible says to study and show thyself approved. You can't just makeup a God and a theology that you feel good about and call it Christianity...

Actually people have been making up their own Christianity for centuries... there's a reason why someone is pentecostal vs lutheran vs baptist vs methodist... just pick the theology you agree with (sarcasm)

Lord have mercy on us all.
this is true on the theology as long as it lines up with scripture. there are some if you dont belong to there type Church .. they dont know you.
 
And a oneness theology Christian, would say a trinitarian Christian is not a Christian.

You see the conundrum of he said, she said. That's why the Scripture just calls everyone calling Jesus Lord, a Christian. And the Lord will sort out who is a Christian or not at His judgment seat.

One thing is for sure. While on earth anyone can be called a Christian, so long as we are confessing faith in Christ. But no one can possibly be called a Christian ever again, if rejected by the Lord and told to depart from Him.
People can call themselves whatever they want but we have a responsibility to seek truth .proverbs 23:23.

This is bringing up old issues for me. One of the reasons I left protestantism, is the issue of truth. Everyone has their own truth. The Bible says the Holy Spirit will lead believers to all truth. We have to seek truth...a lot of people are seeking comfort.

John 16
12 “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He [c]will take of Mine and declare it to you.
 
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