What Will Be Loosed In Heaven ?

[Dusty]

Fascinating isn't it? You are right Dusty about popularity. I am afraid today it doesn't make one popular to say "The Bible says". I expect some of the people who heard Jesus speaking in Matt.5 on murder, adultery, eye for an eye, etc., and on loving our enemies didn't look on this as good news at all. Now we can't even think about doing these things whereas before only acting on our thoughts were wrong.

Our Lord Jesus was saying in today's language Go Home and be as Holy as God - something that is wholly impossible. We have to realise our own complete inability, and only then do we put our faith wholly in the Lord.

God's Holy Law reveals God's character and shows up our failure. But praise his name, our Lord Jesus fulfilled all the Law (Matt.5:17). Now God sees us In Christ. Sin is no longer our master but as we read in Rom.6:14 we are no long under the law but under grace. (The Greek meaning of the word charis which we have translated grace here, means "gift"). Forgiveness is the gift given by the Lord.

How can we thank Him enough.

God bless us as we learn together.

Exactly Jeanann... Forgiveness is the gift given by the Lord . What greater gift than that? To be forgiven .... It is incomprehensible .

That a sinner such as me could be free and as the word says when the Son sets you free ... You are free indeed . Praise His name .

 

[Dusty]

More on the bound part ...

1 John 3:8

8He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work.


We are on a mission to destroy the works of satan and his demons . As christians when we are actively proclaiming the gospel, we are a threat to satan .

Jesus was a threat to him as soon as he was born and we see all through Jesus' life how satan tried to harm him . Even when he was a baby satan tried to kill him but God protected Him .

So where the binding comes in , as soldiers of the Cross we need to go into the enemy's camp and take back what he has stolen from us ... health , finances , broken dreams and broken families , and wayward kids.

Now I under stand that we need to bind satan and take authority over him by the power of the name of Jesus Christ. Jesus gives us that authority along with the Holy Spirit . All we have to do is tap in to it , claim it and proclaim it ... How ? by prayer and humbling ourselves to a Holy God .

So that is what it means to bind on earth so it will be bound in heaven.

 

[chellow]

Matthew 16:19 And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

First, we must take all scripture in the context of the whole council of God. Heaven is the place of Righteousness where God Resides, thus Heaven takes no lead from man. Therefore, that which is loosed or bound on earth and loosed or bound in heaven is only in sync, when such is the will which comes from heaven.

• Loosed: is to allow, do or promote that which is Good/Godly/Right.
• Bound: is to bind/destroy/restrict that which is Bad/ungodly/wrong.

The keys of the kingdom of heaven gives us access and knowledge to determine what is Good (to loose) or Bad (that which to bind).

We all have the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven which is spelled out in God's word (The Holy Bible). Just as Peter, we too are instructed to Loose and Bind. That which requires binding but is not, becomes the leaven that leads to total corruption.

Good Day and God Bless

fyi: a key has no value if it is never used....

illinijag I agree with most of your post #9, but I cant find any where that it states that we all have the power of Binding and Loosing. I only can find this power given to Peter and his disciples.
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

 

[Dusty]

illinijag I agree with most of your post #9, but I cant find any where that it states that we all have the power of Binding and Loosing. I only can find this power given to Peter and his disciples.
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

We all have been given the power through the Holy Spirit .

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Romans 15:13
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

 

[chellow]

We all have been given the power through the Holy Spirit .

Acts 1:8
But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth."

Romans 15:13
May the God of hope fill you with all joy and peace as you trust in him, so that you may overflow with hope by the power of the Holy Spirit.

It’s very clear what power is meant in Matthew 16 and 18, the power of Binding and Loosing.

In Act 1:8 Christ is still addressing the disciples not us, and I believe the power he is instilling on them is the power to preserver on their future great commission.

In Romans 15:13 this is Paul addressing the faithful, that they may receive the power of hope from the Holy Spirit.

Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

 

[illinijag]

illinijag I agree with most of your post #9, but I cant find any where that it states that we all have the power of Binding and Loosing. I only can find this power given to Peter and his disciples.
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

Excellent statement. I should be held accountable as to EVERY Single statement I make in reference to God's word. First, let us define the term in question:

Loosed: is to allow, do or promote that which is Good/Godly/Right.
Bound/Binding: is to bind/destroy/restrict that which is Bad/ungodly/wrong.

Peter had binding power that was giving by direct revelation from the Holy Spirit. Peter bound/loosed things not yet written in the Bible. Peter, other apostles and New Testament writers were burning (writing) scriptures during the course of their lives. Giving that they did not have documented proof of their authority, they had sign gifts and were giving authority from (God) the Holy Spirit to loose/bind that which would become New Testament law.

Now we have the complete word of God. I, being a follower of Jesus and saved by His Blood, have all Binding/Loosing authority as giving by the Bible. Anything the Bible states that is wrong, I can bind it. Anything the Bible state is right, I can loose it.

If the Bible is the word of God, and In the Beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word was made Flesh, and I know that the living Word is Jesus, and I know Jesus is the Son, and I know God is the Father, and I know that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost is one.

Thus the same authority given to Peter has been given to me. Peter may have received it by divine revelation; I have received it through God's written word (The Bible).

Peter also made a statement that the word of God is a more sure word of prophesy...compared to hearing (even) a voice from Heaven!!!!!

2 Peter 1
18. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Ain't that Good News...

Again, thanks for your statement. You should not believe that which your faith does not allow, to do so is to sin.

Romans 14:23b...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

My faith (based on scripture) allows me to believed all that I have posted above.

Good Day and God Bless

 

[chellow]

Excellent statement. I should be held accountable as to EVERY Single statement I make in reference to God's word. First, let us define the term in question:

Loosed: is to allow, do or promote that which is Good/Godly/Right.
Bound/Binding: is to bind/destroy/restrict that which is Bad/ungodly/wrong.

Peter had binding power that was giving by direct revelation from the Holy Spirit. Peter bound/loosed things not yet written in the Bible. Peter, other apostles and New Testament writers were burning (writing) scriptures during the course of their lives. Giving that they did not have documented proof of their authority, they had sign gifts and were giving authority from (God) the Holy Spirit to loose/bind that which would become New Testament law.

Now we have the complete word of God. I, being a follower of Jesus and saved by His Blood, have all Binding/Loosing authority as giving by the Bible. Anything the Bible states that is wrong, I can bind it. Anything the Bible state is right, I can loose it.

If the Bible is the word of God, and In the Beginning the Word was with God, and the Word was God, and the Word was made Flesh, and I know that the living Word is Jesus, and I know Jesus is the Son, and I know God is the Father, and I know that the Father, Son and the Holy Ghost is one.

Thus the same authority given to Peter has been given to me. Peter may have received it by divine revelation; I have received it through God's written word (The Bible).

Peter also made a statement that the word of God is a more sure word of prophesy...compared to hearing (even) a voice from Heaven!!!!!

2 Peter 1
18. And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount.
19. We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

Ain't that Good News...

Again, thanks for your statement. You should not believe that which your faith does not allow, to do so is to sin.

Romans 14:23b...for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.

My faith (based on scripture) allows me to believed all that I have posted above.

Good Day and God Bless

I guess your position is any power given to Peter or the disciples is also given to all the faithful. I can’t disprove your stament, all I can say is that your statement isn’t found in the Bible. These passages are only directed to Peter and the disciples as directed in the bible.

• Let’s say your position is correct and this power was also given to me and you and I found it pleasing to me to loosen (permit) everyone to go to Heaven good and evils alike.

• Now let’s say your desire to bind only baptized faithful to go to Heaven.

So you see we both can’t have the same power to bind and loosen, we will at some time have different desires.

Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

 

[illinijag]

Thanks chellow for your reply..

I guess your position is any power given to Peter or the disciples is also given to all the faithful.

No, that is not my position. Peter and many during the apostolic era had special gifts which some refer to as sign gifts (healing, tongues, discernments and others). There was no new testament, these gifts were used to authenticate their authority. As Paul stated, some gift would cease (1 Corinthians 13), I also believe that with the completion of the New Testament many sign gifts available during the early Church has (for the most part) ceased. It is my belief that all we need is God’s Word (The Bible) and I state this because it has never failed me nor have I discovered any lack within it.

I can’t disprove your stament, all I can say is that your statement isn’t found in the Bible. These passages are only directed to Peter and the disciples as directed in the bible.

I think my reply above addresses this statement.

• Let’s say your position is correct and this power was also given to me and you and I found it pleasing to me to loosen (permit) everyone to go to Heaven good and evils alike.

• Now let’s say your desire to bind only baptized faithful to go to Heaven.

So you see we both can’t have the same power to bind and loosen, we will at some time have different desires.

We may have a different interpretation of Binding and Loosing. My understanding of Binding is to forbid, condemn or retain and Loosing is to permit, acquit or forgive; by proclamation and pronunciation only. That which to Bind/Loose was based on a truth/revelation given directly from God, not yet available in written scripture. Neither God nor Jesus gave Peter or any man the ability to send anyone to Heaven or Hell. Neither did they have the ability to forgive sin. If we read this from scripture, we would be to reading a contradiction of the following scriptures:

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:

Luke 5:21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?

Peter had the gift of discernments which allowed him and possible others to determine the intent (truth) of the heart. However I am not sure the spirit of discernment was applicable in all situations or just for certain events. This was evident with Ananias & Sapphira who death resulted from a lie, which Peter discerned (Acts 5:1-11). My understanding of John 20:23 is that Peter was given the authority to Proclaim/Pronounce the pardon of sin if those believed what He preached. Again Peter received the means of salvation/truth through divine revelation, not through the written word. If people rejected the apostle preaching, they had the authority to Proclaim/Pronounce that those sins were retained. If I tell someone about Jesus and how to receive salvation through Jesus and they follow Jesus requirements, I can proclaim/pronounce to them that their sin are forgiven; also if someone reject my plea for the acceptance of Jesus, I can proclaim/pronounce that they have retained there sin. The final Judgment by Jesus will search the heart for truth and sort out the liars and false confessors.

Now the above is my opinion based on my faith, founded on my understanding of scripture. Unless scripture guide me to another interpretation, I shall maintain my view. I shall never recommend a view, I can only recommend that all views are rooted in scripture absent of contradictions. Again, I may be wrong but unless scripture reveals my error, I shall not change. I admonish you to continue with your view, if such is your interpretation of scripture, absent of contradictions.

Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

By the way, the scriptural passages you listed has always been disputed passages.


Good Day and God Bless

 

[chellow]

Thank you very much for the time you spent on my pondering and enlightening me. God bless you, I may not totally agree 100% with your explanations, but your conclusions are very sound.
Peace be with you

 

[Boanerges(Inactive)]

What Will Be Loosed In Heaven ?
(red emphasis mine)
whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven

 

[illinijag]

Thank you very much for the time you spent on my pondering and enlightening me. God bless you, I may not totally agree 100% with your explanations, but your conclusions are very sound.
Peace be with you

Thank you..

There is no greater wisdom than that which you have spoken. Your statement is a constant throughout scripture:

Psalms 118:8. It is better to trust in the Lord than to put confidence in man.

Psalms 146:3. Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help.

I have never totally agreed with any man; I am resolved to believed that this too is a gift from God. If perfection is found in man by man, such would be his god. As Christians, we know perfection is only found in God.

Good Day and God Bless

 

[Jeanann]

Thanks chellow for your reply..

No, that is not my position. Peter and many during the apostolic era had special gifts which some refer to as sign gifts (healing, tongues, discernments and others). There was no new testament, these gifts were used to authenticate their authority. As Paul stated, some gift would c
ease (1 Corinthians 13), I also believe that with the completion of the New Testament many sign gifts available during the early Church has (for the most part) ceased. It is my belief that all we need is God’s Word (The Bible) and I state this because it has never failed me nor have I discovered any lack within it.



I was somewhat puzzled by the quote of 1 Cor. 13. Paul certainly said that prophecies would cease, tongues would be stilled, and even knowledge would vanish away (v8), but this would only happen when that which is perfect is come. When is this? See v. 12 "Then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part then I shall know fully, even as I am known".

That time is yet to be for none of us would state that we see face to face or that we know fully, even as we are known.

The gifts of the Spirit may not be as evident as we would wish in today's Church, but that, I believe, is because of our unbelief and disobedience. If the gifts were not for now there would be no need for the Scriptures to lay down rules for their use.

Just to be clear - I am not worshipping with my brethren of the Pentecostal Church, and I have no axe to grind on this subject, but to me, as a student of Theology and a Greek scholar the Scriptures are quite clear - we should earnestly seek the best gifts.

God bless us all as we learn together

 

[illinijag]

I was somewhat puzzled by the quote of 1 Cor. 13. Paul certainly said that prophecies would cease, tongues would be stilled, and even knowledge would vanish away (v8), but this would only happen when that which is perfect is come. When is this? See v. 12 "Then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part then I shall know fully, even as I am known".

Excellent post Jeanann. I have little time to response, so I will focus on 1. Cor. 13:10. As far as verse 12, I think it supports my view of verse 10.

1 Corinthians 13:10. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

Scripture means many things to many people, also on many occasions Scriptures does apply to many things. I think this applies to the above verse.
My faith leads me to believe that that which is perfect (5046 teleios - complete) is the complete word of God (66 books of the Bible). I am aware that this interpretation is one of contention, but at the end of the day all of my spiritual needs are met through the word of God (The Bible).
Again, this is my faith based on my interpretation of scripture. Even if I am wrong in this matter, I am completely sure that if I follow God’s Word (absence of any sign gifts), I have all I need. I have faith in Jesus, thus I need no signs…He is my miracle.

Good Day and God Bless

 

[Jeanann]

What a day that will be when the imperfect disappears and the perfect comes. And we shall see him face to face, and know as we are known. The aorist tense of "I am known" shows that the knowledge that God has of Paul is not something growing, but is complete, whereas the ginosko of "I know" is in the present and is capable of increasing. Our dear Lord Jesus Christ was so central to the Apostle Paul's thinking that he does not need to define whom we shall see face to face, and who "Although he was a son, he learned obedience from what he suffered and once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him.."

Of one thing we can all be sure, if we know the Lord Jesus Christ as our Saviour and Lord we are on our way to heaven. We may not exhibit the gifts of the Spirit and we may be very poor bearers of the fruit of the Spirit, but his Grace is sufficient for us all.

May the Lord bless us as we learn together.

Teleios does carry the secondary meaning of complete, but is more properly translated perfect. Used in classical Greek of animals that are perfect, without blemish.

 

[chellow]

Matthew 16:19 - Whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.

How do we know what is bound and loosed in heaven? Who tells us what heaven's reality looks like?


The only way to know these things and to function as the House of God and Gate of Heaven is to have revelation of what is happening in heaven. Otherwise, we're working in the dark. God has always wanted to release truth to His people, backed by the Word, of things that are found in heaven but have no earthly parallel. Jesus said: "If I have told you of earthly things and you do not believe, how will you believe if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12)

He was expressing a desire to reveal things to us about what's happening in the spiritual realm that have no corresponding earthly picture.

Isaiah 9:7 - Of the increase of His government and peace there shall be no end.........

As His government inceases in the earth the Church will receive more and more revelation as we are engulfed in His glory.


Albert Finch
www.thekeys2kingdom.com

The Bible is very clear how we know what is bound and what is loosen in Heaven, the Bishops of the church are given that power.
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

 

[Dusty]

As a Child of the most High God , I have been given the authority of binding and loosing . Why ? Because the Keys spoken here are for all believers who have accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour .

The keys are the gospel message that gives us access to heaven and eternal life . We all are disciples of Christ and have the mandate and authority to tell the gospel message , thus we are binding and loosing people to the Kingdom of God or if they reject to their eternal damnation. This shows us that we have heavenly authority behind our earthly actions.

 

[godbe4me]

As a Child of the most High God , I have been given the authority of binding and loosing . Why ? Because the Keys spoken here are for all believers who have accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour .

The keys are the gospel message that gives us access to heaven and eternal life . We all are disciples of Christ and have the mandate and authority to tell the gospel message , thus we are binding and loosing people to the Kingdom of God or if they reject to their eternal damnation. This shows us that we have heavenly authority behind our earthly actions.

AMEN Dusty. I'm in full agreement here

 

[illinijag]

The Bible is very clear how we know what is bound and what is loosen in Heaven, the Bishops of the church are given that power.
Matthew 16:19
Matthew 18:18
John 20:23

I do not share such clarity. How did you discern your view based on those scripture?

Bishops, Pastors, Preachers, and/or Teachers have no greater powers than other Christians. Their positions are gifts/parts of the Body of Christ, which makes up the Church Body. Jesus explained it best to the future leaders of the Church to be:

Matthew 23:8. But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.

....simply spoken...we are all just brethren.


Good Day and God Bless

 

[illinijag]

As a Child of the most High God , I have been given the authority of binding and loosing . Why ? Because the Keys spoken here are for all believers who have accepted Jesus Christ as Saviour .

The keys are the gospel message that gives us access to heaven and eternal life . We all are disciples of Christ and have the mandate and authority to tell the gospel message , thus we are binding and loosing people to the Kingdom of God or if they reject to their eternal damnation. This shows us that we have heavenly authority behind our earthly actions.

This is Clarity and truth.:israel:​

 

[Dusty]

Matthew 16:19
I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven."
Matthew 18:18
"I tell you the truth, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.