Which branch of Dispy Theology are you currently part of now?
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I'm a classic dispensationalist as taught by Darby, Chafer, and Ryrie.
Good morning, YeshuaFan;
Help me with your opening thread; What is Scofielism? Do you mean Socialism? What is Dr. MacArthur's view according to you, assuming you are referring to John Fullerton MacArthur, Jr?
Thank you, brother.
Bob
Meant to Say Scofieldism, as shown in the Scofield bible study notes, or the Views of Dr MacArthur in his study bible, the one who recently passed away
Have you looked into the Progressive viewpoint at all?
I'm not really interested in innovative theologies, so no. I'm leery of anything labeled progressive. That usually some kind of modernist revisionism.
Here is a brief summary
How it Differs from Traditional Dispensationalism:
- Focus on Israel:
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Traditional dispensationalism emphasizes a strict separation between Israel and the church, with promises to Israel understood as primarily for the nation. Progressive dispensationalism acknowledges a spiritual fulfillment for the church in the present age, while still maintaining a future fulfillment for Israel.
- Kingdom of God:
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Traditional dispensationalism tends to view the kingdom of God as primarily future, while progressive dispensationalism sees an inaugurated aspect of the kingdom in the present age.
- Parenthetical Nature of the Church:
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Traditional dispensationalism has often viewed the church as a parenthesis in God's plan, while progressive dispensationalism emphasizes the church's vital link to God's overall plan.
- Focus on Israel:
Progressive dispensationalism offers a more nuanced approach to biblical interpretation than traditional dispensationalism, seeking to integrate the strengths of both dispensationalism and covenant theology. It emphasizes the progressive nature of God's plan, the distinction between Israel and the church, and the inauguration of the kingdom in the present, while still acknowledging a future fulfillment of God's promises.
It's trying to integrate into Covenant Theology. That's like trying to mix oil and water or truth and lies. They don't mix because they're in opposition to each other. Covenant Theology is the source of Replacement Theology plus it contains serious problems. It sees only 3 covenants as their lens for interpreting the Bible. First, there is the unpublished Redemption Covenant before creation (?) between the Father and the Son, then there is the Old Covenant with Israel, and Finally the New Covenant with the Church, which replaces Israel as the recipient of God’s Old Covenant promises. God has forsaken the nation of Israel because they killed Jesus.
I am of same persuasion as "BibleLover".
I would also add to his list Dr. John Walvoord, Dr. J. Vernon MaGee, Dr. Oliver B. Green, Dr. Charles L. Feinberg, Dr. Bruce Dunn.
Well......according to Dr. Charles Ryrie, hero of Dispensationalism, there are three primary principles of dispensationalism:
1) The Church and Israel are distinct and separate.
2) God’s purpose in all that He does is to bring glory to Himself.
3) A literal or normal hermeneutic is to be used for interpreting all of Scripture, including unfulfilled prophecy.
Progressive dispensationalists believe that the normal hermeneutic held by traditional, or classical, dispensationalists should be modified.
When I hear anyone say....."What you have been taught and believe needs to be modified....I shudder"!
Progressive dispensationalism holds what is described as a "complementary hermeneutic."
That means basically, that the Abrahamic and Davidic covenants are already being fulfilled today—spiritually—and will also be fulfilled literally in the millennial kingdom. That is about as close to the lie of Preterist Theology as you can get.
So then......now how do YOU feel about Progressive Disp. ????
It doesn't bother you that the traditional dispensationalism didn't come about until the 19th century? And is a very American evangelical teaching?
The Bible is my trusted reading and if there is something I don't understand I turn to
God The Father
God the Son
And the Holy Spirit
asking them for understanding.
They always help us.
Tradition that is man made is not reliable.
God's work is true.
God The Father
God the Son
And the Holy Spirit
asking them for understanding.
They always help us.
Tradition that is man made is not reliable.
God's work is true.
More nuanced even than that Brother, as we who are Reformed Baptist would view the new Covenant as being the means by which all were saved while even under the Old One, and that God still has plan for national israel at end times and at Second Coming, as per the CT theologian Charles Spurgeon
I hold to a reformed Baptist Covenant Theology, as in 1689 theology, but would say that either would be a viable option, neither would be "heresy"
Think Historical premil view was the prominent viewpoint in Bible and ECF, but that Darby added in pretrib feature
Please tell me more about "Schofielism"?
Theology of Dr Scofield, taken from the Scofield study bible
C.I. Scofield's theology is primarily known for popularizing dispensationalism in the United States through his Scofield Reference Bible. Dispensationalism, a system of interpreting the Bible, emphasizes distinct periods (dispensations) in God's dealings with humanity and a literal, imminent rapture and future for Israel.
Here's a more detailed look:
- Dispensationalism:
Scofield's system divides history into seven dispensations, distinct periods where God relates to humans in different ways. This framework helps organize and interpret the Bible's message.
- Premillennialism:
Scofield's dispensationalism is typically associated with premillennialism, the belief that Christ will return to Earth before a literal 1,000-year reign (the millennium).
- Literal Interpretation:
Scofield advocated for a literal or plain reading of Scripture, which means interpreting the Bible's words in their ordinary, everyday sense.
- Rapture Belief:
Dispensationalism, as popularized by Scofield, also includes the belief in a pre-tribulation rapture, where Christians will be taken up to heaven before a period of great tribulation on Earth.
- Future for Israel:
Scofield emphasized a distinct future for the nation of Israel in God's plan, aligning with a literal interpretation of Old Testament prophecies.
- Influence:
The Scofield Reference Bible became a popular and influential resource, shaping the views of many fundamentalist Christians in the US and beyond.
Thank you for that YesuaFan,
I'm weary of any bible that has been interpreted differently eg. going on Old Testament verses only and discaring the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament?
There is a lot of controversy about pre-tribulation and post-tribulation rapture. I know that the word "rapture" does not exist in the bible which leads to possible misinterpretations.
It would be good to be able to examine the scriptures together in this Forum, from a reliable untampered with bible source, to establish the Truth about the "rapture".
Christ returns before Or at the start of the 1000yr reign? If it's before, does Christ return a 1st time and then return again? Like a 2nd 2nd coming?
Matthew 24: 29-31
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Think all Christians hold to a Rapture, its just the question is it separate from the Second Coming, or is it the very same event?